Plus they have those two banners.As a fan of Philadelphia, you have no right to be jealous of a team with a high draft pick.
Edit: Though Cedric Ceballos and Eddie House on the radio say clearly Ball is the best player and C's might be bluffing.
The Plan For the #1, er, #3 Overall Pick?
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Edit: Though Cedric Ceballos and Eddie House on the radio say clearly Ball is the best player and C's might be bluffing.
This has to be either satire or trolling
1.Pacers via trade with Celtics
Markelle Fultz, PG, Washington
Trade: Boston sends No. 1 overall pick in 2017, both of their second-rounders this year as well as a 2019 first-round pick (which had been acquired from the Clippers) to Indiana for Paul George and Al Jefferson.
Why not just go for it? The Celtics came as close as they were going to come with their current roster at unseating LeBron's Cavs atop the East – in other words, not particularly close at all. Getting Paul George from the Pacers and trying to sign him to a long-term deal is the ultimate win-now move. This trade assumes that George shows interest in staying with Boston and not just in hopping on the first train to Los Angeles, and that Gordon Hayward stays put in Utah instead of heading to Boston. It helps that the Pacers are throwing in someone who can shore up the Celtics' post play in Al Jefferson.
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-mock-draft-celtics-deal-no-1-pick-for-paul-george-pacers-take-markelle-fultz/
I don't want them to do it, but the #1 pick this year, the LA pick that is protected 1-14 (and converts to a second rounder after 2020) and two 2nd round picks is not an absurd price for Paul George.
It's debatable on intrinsic value but the issue is the 'go for it now' mentality. Paul George isn't getting the Celtics past Cleveland. And certainly not GS. The window is not now.
I'd argue that it is an absurd price w/o a guarantee that George would stay in Boston ... regardless of the GFIN component
It's absurd when you consider that George is a FA in 2018 with a good chance of leaving. If we were picking like 8th or something, then it would be a different story but this is Fultz we're talking about.
I agree on the window. But in terms of value, Paul George is only one year older than Kevin Love was when Cleveland traded the #1 pick, Anthony Bennett, and a future #1 for him (with no promise he would re-sign there). And Andrew Wiggins was considered a legit #1 pick, more or less equal to Fultz. So the difference is what, a pick that you'd expect to be 18 or so vs. one that would be 25 or so?
I'll go with satire. Stating that we're not close with the current roster (i.e more than one key player away), using "long-term deal" and "win-now" in the same sentence, and predicating the whole thing upon Hayward's decision to stay in Utah, which won't be known until weeks later? Plus the whole idea that George would take a train from Boston to LA.This has to be either satire or trolling
1.Pacers via trade with Celtics
Markelle Fultz, PG, Washington
Trade: Boston sends No. 1 overall pick in 2017, both of their second-rounders this year as well as a 2019 first-round pick (which had been acquired from the Clippers) to Indiana for Paul George and Al Jefferson.
Why not just go for it? The Celtics came as close as they were going to come with their current roster at unseating LeBron's Cavs atop the East – in other words, not particularly close at all. Getting Paul George from the Pacers and trying to sign him to a long-term deal is the ultimate win-now move. This trade assumes that George shows interest in staying with Boston and not just in hopping on the first train to Los Angeles, and that Gordon Hayward stays put in Utah instead of heading to Boston. It helps that the Pacers are throwing in someone who can shore up the Celtics' post play in Al Jefferson.
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-mock-draft-celtics-deal-no-1-pick-for-paul-george-pacers-take-markelle-fultz/
But the window (and as noted, Lebron James) makes any kind of intrinsic value comparison rather irrelevant, imo. The Cavs could overpay because they had an instant juggernaut in the conference and (again, as mentioned) Lebron probably wasn't coming home without a third star. So I find it kind of tough to compare the two situations. The Wolves had them over the barrel. The Cavs were happy to oblige to get their star back and become a factor again. I'm not sure there's a lot to be learned about that (and really, in any trade to be honest, due to many factors not being equal).
I also think it's somewhat naive to think they didn't have some kind of assurance that Love was going to resign, even if it was only Lebron making a phone call, but one could differ on that.
Um you guys have had a little more watchable team to get there.As a fan of Philadelphia, you have no right to be jealous of a team with a high draft pick.
As CBS's NBA stuff goes, if it's not Matt Moore on the NBA side, you can mostly ignore it.
So when you watch this video what do you come away with? What I see is a high level of polish for a very young guy, and an ability to hit contested shots. What I don't see is the elite athleticism that keeps getting talked about. The Harden comp makes the most sense, but Harden is a very rare player who succeeds with an exceptional skill level and good size for his position, but not elite quickness or ability to elevate. This is what makes me more skeptical than most about Fultz as being a level above everyone else in this draft.
Would you really see his elite athleticism on display in a pull up video? It looks like he glides and does everything so effortlessly.
Damn. Who else in this draft hits contested shots all over the court and can get to the rim off the dribble with regularity? Hell, there's only one guy on the Celtics roster that fits that description.
Only other guy I can think of is Monk but he doesn't really get to the rim as much as his athleticism would suggest he should.
Monk is also a much better FT shooter than a lot of the top guys. There's also little doubt about his range. Stats wise, his year was very similar to fellow wildcat Devin Booker, just played more minutes and had higher usage. Similar rebounding numbers, slightly better passing/steal/block rates. I've said it before, but if we didn't have so many guards, I'd love for the Celtics to trade for another pick in the lottery and take Monk. He'd be perfect for our bench. I'd trade IT4 for him, I'm probably alone.
Fwiw, Fultz was 52/126 .413 from 3, Monk was 104-262 .397. Fultz was 109/168 .649 from the line, Monk was 148/180 .822.
Fwiw, Fultz was 52/126 .413 from 3, Monk was 104-262 .397. Fultz was 109/168 .649 from the line, Monk was 148/180 .822.
The last minute or so show him attacking the rim off closeouts, and you don't see it there either. I also saw him play actual games, and it just didn't jump out at me, not the way a guy like Jackson or Fox does, or Simmons from last year.
He does glide and do things effortlessly as you point out, I just don't see the explosiveness typical top prospects have. He seemed to struggle against guys with similar athleticism, like Kadeem Allen at Arizona.
Check out this video from September 2015 that shows his run and jump athleticism a bit better. While he's not Jaylen Brown
he certainly has sufficient hops. However, as one website says, he's an "agility monster." His ability to change speeds, switch directions, and pivot on a bitcoin - even while dribbling the ball - is off the charts. And that's a lot harder to deal with than someone who can jump out of the building.
I don't know if "struggle" this is the right word. Allen (who BTW was 24 at the time) did a good job on him but from the DraftExpress breakdown of the matchup (below), it looked like AZ was specifically keying on stopping Fultz - I mean after he beat Allen, there'd be at least one and sometimes two or three other defenders to beat, including Markkanen.
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So, since you didn't see it in a video that wouldn't really showcase that aspect of his game, you're questioning all the scouting reports that talk about it?
Bleacher Report:
Draft Express:
Fan Sided
Some clips there too: http://fansided.com/2017/01/09/markelle-fultz-2017-nba-draft-skills/
He isn't Westbrook or Wall but he has plenty of athleticism (and certainly the skill) to excel, especially once he meets his new best friend—NBA spacing.
I've watched about a dozen of UW games this year and the thing with Fultz is that a player rarely has the same open floor and/or spacing opportunities in college as they will in the NBA. You have to recognize the players athleticism and explosiveness in those rare sequences that simulate those under the rules he will be playing under in the future. Again, I keep comparing the scouting of these college players to Jaylen last year as there are many similarities in that whenever he gets the ball it is typically in the halfcourt with 3 defenders shadowing him or a delayed break where help defenders are awaiting. Fultz has more of a Paul George/RudyGay-like movement/explosiveness about him than say a power guy like Jimmy Butler or Blake who use sheer physical strength to get to the rim......Fultz will use it to create separation for his jumper much like George/Gay. When you identify these sequences you can see where Fultz' ridiculous length combined with his athleticism is going to play well in the NBA.
The other thing you won't see in these highlights are his passing abilities....he is an excellent creator for others but rarely had those opportunities in college as his teammates were D-2 players and were down double digits most of the time while needing Markelle to score.
Bingo on both counts here. If casual fans are expecting to see a blow-by PG like Westbrook or Wall you will be disappointed as he always plays under control and looking to set up his jumper not on always getting all the way to the rim.
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I would disagree. Simmons is a gifted passer but the big weakness in his game coming out of college was his jumper. This C's team needs scorers and Fultz can score from all 3 levels. Give me Fultz 10/10
I agree on Fultz here. Simmons has a broken foot and a broken shot.....Fultz has neither. Something to be said for certainties.
I think that 'scorers' is certainly a team need, but 'transcendent players' is a bigger team need, and 'big men' who can play in the Celtics' offense is yet another team need.
I don't know either player well enough to comment on Fultz vs Simmons, and the flaws you cite in Simmons game may well put him behind Fultz. But they should be looking at best shot at stardom here, as opposed to team needs.
Just to add this in here for unlikely trade implications:
Washington Huskies guard Markelle Fultz is predicted by the majority of NBA draft experts to be selected by the Boston Celtics with the No. 1 overall selection. There even have been reports that Fultz will meet with only the Celtics. That isn't true, if the news out of Sacramento is correct.
According to Ailene Voisin of The Sacramento Bee, Fultz will work out for the Sacramento Kings on Sunday. The Kings own the Nos. 5 and 10 picks in the first round.
http://www.espn.com/blog/nba/rumors/post/_/id/43209/rumor-central-markelle-fultz-agrees-to-kings-workout
Washington Huskies guard Markelle Fultz is predicted by the majority of NBA draft experts to be selected by the Boston Celtics with the No. 1 overall selection. There even have been reports that Fultz will meet with only the Celtics. That isn't true, if the news out of Sacramento is correct.
According to Ailene Voisin of The Sacramento Bee, Fultz will work out for the Sacramento Kings on Sunday. The Kings own the Nos. 5 and 10 picks in the first round.
http://www.espn.com/blog/nba/rumors/post/_/id/43209/rumor-central-markelle-fultz-agrees-to-kings-workout
On the other hand...
@mr_jasonjones
I'm told my multiple sources Markelle Fultz will not visit the Kings on Sunday. A visit is possible, but it's not this weekend.
@mr_jasonjonesI'm told my multiple sources Markelle Fultz will not visit the Kings on Sunday. A visit is possible, but it's not this weekend.
Were there any reports from Philly this year about Simmons making progress on his jumper?
Fultz reportedly didn't shoot well at Celtics workout:
http://www.weei.com/blogs/weei/espns-jeff-goodman-dh-markelle-fultz-didn’t-shoot-ball-well-workout-celtics
Does anyone know how Fultz did in the "Boston Marathon?"
http://www.espn.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4713138/cs-prospects-get-own-boston-marathon
http://www.espn.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4713138/cs-prospects-get-own-boston-marathon
Fultz might not have shot well for the Cs but he can do this - do people realize how much strength it takes to throw a ball that far with one arm backwards?
Josh Jackson reportedly cancelled a workout with the Celtics today. It's lying season, so take it with a grain of salt.
I think the best reason for keeping the pick and drafting Fultz is that Ainge is unlikely to get a trade offer that will bring us equivalent value. Salary cap (and contract length) only adds to the level of complexity.
As I pointed out earlier in, I think, this thread, those odds get even better when you look just at guards and wings. Misses at #1 are pretty uniformly bigs.
That last 4 guards picked in the #1 spot were Kyrie Irving, John Wall, Derrick Rose, and Allen Iverson. Toss those 4 in a blender and I like the result.
Ha! The head games continue ...
Boston Celtics Reportedly Considering Josh Jackson with No. 1 Overall Pick
Boston Celtics Reportedly Considering Josh Jackson with No. 1 Overall Pick
I really hope the GM quoted in that article is wrong. I mean the Celtics have to take Fultz, right?
I guess they could trade the pick if blown away by an offer, but if they make the pick, it should be Fultz.
This doesn't tie in with Jackson cancelling his visit IMO. And I hope no one chimes in with that rumor about agents steering their clients away from Boston. It's the #1 pick for crying out loud. If he really wasn't interested, they wouldn't have scheduled a workout in the first place.