It they don't conveniently stagger their injuries then we will need ever bit of the depth we currently have.reggiecleveland said:
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Huh? Three guys start this game. A different three guys start the next game.E5 Yaz said:
Is there anyone in the universe that thinks we're going to have Craig, Nava, Ramirez, Castillo, Betts, and Victorino on the roster?bosockboy said:
How does this even make sense?reggiecleveland said:
You rotate Vic, Castillo, and Betts in center and right and that's 108 games for each of them.
You pinch run liberally, use a defensive replacement for Ramirez and you've got them all in a bunch more games.
Rasputin said:
It makes sense because you referenced games played in the past due to injuries. Just because they've averaged 120 games played doesn't mean they've done it by choice.
And Castillo "not playing a full season in years" doesn't hold a real ton of water with me, since the amenities/trainers are slightly better in the MLB than in Cuba, I would imagine.
Have we heard one quote from Rusney throughout all of this? If not, it's funny to me that the new young(ish) kid seems to have more tact than the "seasoned veteran".
Morgan's Magic Snowplow said:
I think one of the causes of the present worry is last year, when the team's overall hitting was so atrocious that keeping a Castillo out of the lineup for even a week meant more of the not-hitting JBJ, Sizemore & Nava, which added to the absence of Victorino and the not-hitting of Middlebrooks and whoever else was not-hitting. Given the seems-likely offensive improvement elsewhere this year, I dont see the Victorino/Castillo thing as a problem.
As for Craig and Nava, I think they are both aware of their spots on the depth chart. I would be shocked if there hasn't been regular communication from Farrell about where they stand. While Farrell isn't likely to let anyone rot, "Getting playing time for Craig and/or Nava" is not high on his list.
Victorino is a vet so he can speak out. The rookie is in a new league and a new country so he stays quiet.RoyalOrange said:
This is the way it has always been, I have no idea why that seems odd to you.
I love me some Rusney but hang on to your options something is going to happen. If that something is a trade of one of the vets then fine, but there is no need to give them away.
Byrdbrain said:
True, though most rookies aren't 27-year-olds with 6-year, $70M guaranteed contracts, and this may contribute to their typical reticence as much as anything.
Byrdbrain said:
There's a difference in having the right to speak out and being a detriment. Vic seems to be getting close to that line. I am just commending Castillo on how he has handled it so far.
With all of this being said, I'm fine with Vic starting the season in RF and Castillo taking a short stint in AAA if that's what needs to happen. I was just originally addressing Rasputin's incredulity at others when they challenged his perfect world scenario.
Rasputin said:
Do you have a contract with SoSH where all of your replies have to have a dickish question embedded?
I guess you're just the optimistic man in the room. Judging from Vic's quotes so far, doesn't sound like he is going to buy in to these Rasputin Rest Days to ward off any future injuries. And I, for one, am not too keen on the 3 more talented outfielders resting 50 games a piece "before they get hurt".
RoyalOrange said:
I'm sorry if I'm being dickish, but when dealing with what looks like intentionally obtuse responses, I don't respond well.
Where has Victorino ever suggested that he's going to be an asshole about not getting enough playing time? He said he wants to be a starter, and be out there every day, but that's an entirely different matter, and we want guys who want to be out there every day.
I've been saying since last fall that Vic should be the fourth outfielder, and got yelled at because Vic was somehow clearly either a starter or useless.
Obviously if Vic is really hampered, you don't even out the playing time just to soothe his ego. Also, water is wet and fire is hot.
But Castillo hasn't played regularly in a few years, and wikipedia tells me the serie nacional is a 90 game schedule so I think it's a bit optimistic to think he's not going to have some issues adjusting to playing 140-150 games a year.
Hanley Ramirez has a rather lengthy recent injury history that has limited him to 128 games last year and 90 something the year before. Do you really think suggesting he get a little more time off than normal to try to keep him healthy is outlandish?
Meanwhile Shane Victorino's games played the last four seasons have been 43, 123, 154, 138, and that's including minor league rehab games.
We've got a grand total of one outfielder who doesn't have a good reason to get him extra rest.
RoyalOrange said:
What is Victorino going to do? Piss in the gatorade? He has no choice but to "buy in." If Victorino stays healthy enough to play 125 games again and puts up another 118 OPS+ with GG defense and the Betts is God for 145-150 games and Hanley gives them 140 games of Hanley; and if Castillo has to spend ONE stinkin' season as a part-timer the world will not end. None of those are close to a certainty.
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joe dokes said:
There has been multiple reports from Sox beat writers in this very thread mentioning how Vic would not willingly take a DL stint or take minor league at bats. For a team that is preaching chemistry chemistry chemistry, it just seems like something to keep in mind.
I get where you're coming from, Rasputin. I think we are near the same page on how we think or hope it will work out. The fact is they just have to do something with one of the 6 outfielders this week, injuries or not, so this discussion may be moot at any time (if it doesn't already appear to be).
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