The Michael McCorkle "Mac" Jones Thread
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I think it's always fair to point out that every QB lays a stinker every now and then. Even Brady was good for 1 or 2 mulligans per season.
Except the "now and then" needs to be surrounded by better performances in Mac's case. And Burrow is almost certainly playing through something more serious than folks are letting on.
The job of the QB is to protect the football and get the team into the end zone. He is doing neither. Is it all his fault? No, but he has had a long run here and he is just not enough to consistently win.
Even worse, chances are good we'll see at least 4 go top 15 again in 2024, hopefully we pick the right one this time. Then also hit on a WR or 2, 2 OT and an IOL.
Unless he gets bigger and strong and can drive the ball down the field, his skill set is as a NFL back up QB. The Patriots are not Alabama, and the rest of the league is not Ole Miss.
By people in New England did he mean the fans, the media, or the coaching staff, or ownership?
Didn't Colin Cowherd also say he was hearing some bad things about him from New England but he didn't want to get into specifics? And Cowherd has been one of the few staunchly pro Mac national guys.
Honestly wouldn't surprise to see these stories coming from a coaching staff that wants to take some pressure off.
I took it as the team. But it was off the cuff.
Though I’m sure Chris still has connections in New England, and because Long doesn’t seem to speculate often, it came across to me like he’s heard rumblings from the organization (maybe from Chris?). But that’s just how *I* heard it.
Can we do the change of scenery Jones for Zach Wilson trade?
Would the Jets even accept that?
Would the Jets even accept that?
It is pretty sad when Baker Mayfield is picked up off the scrap heap and has looked better than Jones.
This is ridiculous. Of course they would accept it, why the fuck would we. Zach Wilson is barely a practice squad player
Of course the Jets would accept that, they'd be trading god awful for mediocre.
If there's a "DAWG" metric for QBs, Mac is on the other end of that score from Mayfield.
Baker is interesting though, he was kinda good on terrible teams and his decline coincided with getting injured from many many games getting the shit kicked out of him.
His 3rd year he went 11-5 and took the CLEVELAND BROWNS to the playoffs (with a not good defense) with this passcatching corps
Yeah I saw those comments from Cowherd too. I wouldn’t think these guys would be whispering these things unless a solid connection is telling them there’s smoke because there’s fire.
Steven A while trashing the Jets said nobody believes in Zach Wilson, and made an offhand comment that he would be talking about MAc as soon as he plays against somebody other than Zach.
I always thought the general sports viewing public equated Mayfield and Manziel and Baker got a terrible rap from the start, when all he's done is fight for his NFL life and had some great moments in shitty situations. He won a game with the Rams with literally no prep. He's not particularly great, but he can make plays and is a QB1 in this league.
I can’t tell if this is sarcasm or emotions or what, but if you really feel this way, you really shouldn’t post your thoughts on quarterback play anywhere public unless you wanna be clowned for being profoundly dumb
This has to be rock bottom right? I really thought he could be a 10-15 QB this year with O’Brien, not 25-32.
Maybe we can cool it on making fun of Zach Wilson- putting forth the kind of effort tonight that Mac can only dream of.
I mean if we’re gonna play that game as of right now mac had better numbers against the jets a week ago than Mahomes has tonight. That’s really not how any of this works though…
Your first three sentences are arguable. I’m not sure I wholeheartedly agree with them but they exist in a reasonable universe. The Cunningham thing seems shortsighted and crazy to me, unless you mean…because it would be fun. Cunningham is not remotely an NFL quarterback. What is this based on?
For what its worth (I dont know shit about football), all the Williams highlights Ive seen look like stuff he will never get away with in the NFL.
I watched the guy play at Louisville. He is a legit talent whose skillset a) is more closely aligned with where NFL offenses are trending and b) may be able to conceal other offensive deficiencies that a middling pocket passer can't.
Look. I don't know what Cunningham can be. But he's an unknown commodity. Id argue that the narrative he isnt good is what is truly not based on evidence. I'd love to see what he can do. If he stinks too, it means er have 3 lousy qb, and we clean house next year (likely with a very good draft pick).
Zappe is not the answer, but it's interesting that he's able to hit WR out wide, while Mac does just over-the-middle and dump offs.
I think he has a chance to have a 10+ year career as a backup. But, who in their right mind is letting him start a game in the NFL after this season beyond a spot start situation? Dude just doesn’t have it. The mental mistakes are the most disappointing for me. We all knew the physical limitations but he came in saying all the right things, did a good job his rookie season, and then he has simply just regressed.
In a weird way I feel sorry him. This year, he has a shit ton of pressure on him. He needs to be mentally and mechanically perfect to succeed and he has been neither and that is going to cost him that fifth year option.
He's got a very successful backup/journeyman career ahead of him but his career is done here. There is no need for tears, it happens all over the league. He'll be fine and still make lots of money, he's just not winning anything in the league.
The irony is that if he was our backup right now we'd all be thrilled. He'd instantly be the best backup in that league.
Mac is not as bad as he played today. This one really got away from him. I’m not convinced he is better than Zappe if he is going to make decisions like he did today. I do t see better options out there for the Pats right now. Who backed up Watson when BOB was there?
The thing that pisses me off about Mac is he hasn't gotten better at throwing the ball.
With better footwork and an improved motion he could throw a rope more the 20 yards, but in 3 years he has not made a single adjustment. Its a shame.
With better footwork and an improved motion he could throw a rope more the 20 yards, but in 3 years he has not made a single adjustment. Its a shame.
I would add that his judgment was terrible yesterday.
Mac came out of the gate yesterday with a couple of nice throws. He bought some time and hit Douglas for the big play. His offensive line let him down. A lot went wrong beyond Mac.
But what really made this a terrible was just the poor judgment. You can't have Mac's arm and throw back across the field and not know that you are risking getting picked off.
What pissed me off is that he did the same thing right before and it worked. And then his mindset wasn't "phew, got away with one". He tried it again. Can't be arrogant with that arm.
And surely the Cowboys D was ready for it that second time around. When Mac goes into hero ball mode he is always a disaster waiting to happen.
That wasn't hero ball. That was him on complete tilt. He mentally shut down in the worst way possible. This is not a viable trait in a starting QB.
For all the arguments about Mac's surrounding cast, this morning two truths seem clear to me:
- Mac's surrounding cast isn't that good
- and Mac isn't an NFL caliber starting QB.
The two ideas do not strike me as mutually exclusive.
Mac is now 0-11 when his team is the underdog. That is a sign that he is nothing, he can't elevate his team, he can't ball out and make plays, he can't lift a team above where they "should" be. All good QBs have that ability to some extent. Mac doesn't have it, he's never had it, and he never will have it.
His physical skills are, if anything, getting worse. And the supposed smarts for the game haven't materialized.
- Mac's surrounding cast isn't that good
- and Mac isn't an NFL caliber starting QB.
The two ideas do not strike me as mutually exclusive.
Mac is now 0-11 when his team is the underdog. That is a sign that he is nothing, he can't elevate his team, he can't ball out and make plays, he can't lift a team above where they "should" be. All good QBs have that ability to some extent. Mac doesn't have it, he's never had it, and he never will have it.
His physical skills are, if anything, getting worse. And the supposed smarts for the game haven't materialized.