The Michael McCorkle "Mac" Jones Thread
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Or interceptions. But the larger point is I'm not sure we've seen numbers that suggest bad QBs get more passes batted down. It's possible the trajectory of his passes which leads to more batted passes also makes balls easier to catch, leading to a higher completion percentage.Thats Fair.
Could obviously be familiarity Bias. But I swear there have been more then 3 which would make me question the PFR numbers.
And I guess the only bad side to passes batted down are they could conceivably be completions for yards and touchdowns.
I just think they are something that is frustrating while were watching, but there's not really much more to it.
That ankle roll was pretty dirty and I’d be pissed if an opposing QB did it, but - and I try to avoid the Pats victim mentality that’s so annoying - it has been funny seeing some media rush to anoint the next great Patriots evil QB.
Say goodnight to the bad guy, NFL.
Say goodnight to the bad guy, NFL.
Well I think it would be fair to say that 2.8% of Jones Passes that are knocked down Might well have been INTs. While 3.3% of them would be TDs.
I see what your saying and maybe there isnt "more" but the ones I noticed (as you say I could be putting way too much stock into 5-10??? plays) Just seem to compound on the offenses struggles. A batted pass on 1st and 10 becomes 2nd 10. On 2nd and 8 it becomes 3rd and 8 etc etc.
A batted pass can be just as much of a drive killer as a incomplete pass (which I realize it is....)
A for instance......there was one yesterday where Myers was "Open" and could have gained some yards.
A batted pass just seems like 1 the Oline held up well enough not to put your QB on the ground, 2 The WR was "open enough" for the QB to attempt to throw it to them. "Failing" at that point is akin to falling out of a marathon at the 23rd mile. I mean your almost there. Still work to be done but pretty much finished. Its a much worse "opportunity lost" then a blitz off the edge that stopped a play cold.
Sure a drop or a pass knocked away is worse, but also less subject to Chance. As Batted passes at the LOS always seem like a "Ohhh man that was luck" kinda play.
But I will rephrase....
Does anyone recall QBs who have an abnormal amount of Passes knocked down? Who was the Dave Krieg fumble equivalent? And what was the reason?
I see what your saying and maybe there isnt "more" but the ones I noticed (as you say I could be putting way too much stock into 5-10??? plays) Just seem to compound on the offenses struggles. A batted pass on 1st and 10 becomes 2nd 10. On 2nd and 8 it becomes 3rd and 8 etc etc.
A batted pass can be just as much of a drive killer as a incomplete pass (which I realize it is....)
A for instance......there was one yesterday where Myers was "Open" and could have gained some yards.
A batted pass just seems like 1 the Oline held up well enough not to put your QB on the ground, 2 The WR was "open enough" for the QB to attempt to throw it to them. "Failing" at that point is akin to falling out of a marathon at the 23rd mile. I mean your almost there. Still work to be done but pretty much finished. Its a much worse "opportunity lost" then a blitz off the edge that stopped a play cold.
Sure a drop or a pass knocked away is worse, but also less subject to Chance. As Batted passes at the LOS always seem like a "Ohhh man that was luck" kinda play.
But I will rephrase....
Does anyone recall QBs who have an abnormal amount of Passes knocked down? Who was the Dave Krieg fumble equivalent? And what was the reason?
This is so stupid it is funny. It was a live ball situation and in those kinds of situations anything goes. This just so happened to be not at the bottom of the pile.
meh, the leg grab sure, the turn and roll? It’s a bit dirty.
if someone had done the to Mac this board would be going nuts.
It’s not like it’s a big deal, but it’s a bit dirty.
The league did explain why no penalty/discipline. And I think they have changed the rules.
https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-wes-welker-s-block-on-aqib-talib-was-a-legal-hit-0ap2000000316736
There's a "national conversation"?
"Mac Jones" was trending on Twitter in Brazil this morning because of that play, so I'd say the reaction has been vastly overblown, yes.
Burns was trying to pry free and turned his ankle in the process. No one would be doing that to Mac because he's not going to be in that situation.
I'm not sure what "trending on twitter" accounts for other than some sort of incestuous measurement to make things look far more popular than they are, but even so, 2013 is not 2021.
Ultimately, the "oh my God, this would already be a nothingburger if it wasnt Mac Jones of the PATRIOTS" sounds tired and ridiculous.
I think you're reading bankhead's post a little too literally. Of course, it's unlikely someone would do *exactly* that to Jones. His point remains, though.
When players talk about "dirty" plays, aren't they talking about trying to hurt another guy or at least being very casual as to whether or not the guy gets hurt?
Does anyone believe that Mac was actually trying to hurt the guy? Seems pretty obvious to me that Mac is holding on to the guy so that there's one less player to compete for the loose ball. He holds on for deal life and even tackles the guy. That's probably a penalty, but that's what he was doing, not trying to hurt the guy.
Does anyone believe that Mac was actually trying to hurt the guy? Seems pretty obvious to me that Mac is holding on to the guy so that there's one less player to compete for the loose ball. He holds on for deal life and even tackles the guy. That's probably a penalty, but that's what he was doing, not trying to hurt the guy.
Mac has 3 batted passes all season. League leader is Josh Allen with 9. 20 QBs have more than Mac: Allen, Herbert, Hurts, Burrow, Lawrence, Mills, Carr, Bridgewater, Ryan, Daniel Jones, Rodgers, Winston, Lance, Stafford, Brady (only 4), Murray, Jackson, Heinecke, Roethlisburger.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2021/passing_advanced.htm
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2021/passing_advanced.htm
When you find out who has you on ignore...
https://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?threads/the-michael-mccorkle-mac-jones-thread.33371/page-32#post-4727981
Wait until the league finds out the equipment guy that gets Mac his wrist bands went to the bathroom for 2 minutes before the game.That's only because they had time to get their stories straight.
I think this is right. Throw in that he's a guy who doesn't tackle people, its no wonder...
Mac has joined Dak and Ben as the only rookies to ever begin their careers 4-0 on the road. It may or may not mean anything in the long run but that's decent company.
Meh, no big deal. He won't see the Pats for four years. Meanwhile, no defensive player is going to cheap shot Mac because he grabbed Brian Burns' ankle.
On Perry’s pod he said that Mac missed some wide open chunks and/or TDs in the second half. Said Mac had time and the looks were open and he inexplicably either threw it away or threw it way off. Not a wrong route kind of thing and it explains why Josh was chewing him out in the second half. Mac has faced a murderers row of pass defenses but he’s also struggled the last few weeks.
This is embarrassing for Burns. So now defensive lineman are going to want to hit Mac Jones hard? It's go time now, guys. Before this all the pass rushers in the league were taking it easy, but not now. Whether you think it was dirty or not, it's time to move on.
Absolutely. It was a dirty play, not the dirtiest I’ve seen or worthy of a suspension but it was definitely dirty.
I think he was probably pissed that he got hit so hard, knew he fumbled and wanted to grab on to the nearest player just in case he had the ball. Then he added a little something extra (the roll to turn his ankle) to make sure of it.
Grand scheme of things no big deal but I think it’s definitely a fineable offense. Can also understand why the Panthers would be pissed about it.
Also think that Mac should probably adopt the “no comment” philosophy instead of doubling and tripling down on his original excuse
I disagree with the “dirty play” takes. IMO dirty implies intend to injure or cause some type of physical harm. I don’t see that here. Mac grabbed the ankle and Burns tried to twist out of it. He did it to himself. If anything you can call it “unsportsmanlike” and probably should have been penalized… but dirty? I just don’t see that.
Also, where is the uproar over the targeting penalties that still occur on a weekly basis? Do players just accept that as part of the game?
I’m getting strong ‘fucking QBs/rookies’ vibes here.
I’m getting strong ‘fucking QBs/rookies’ vibes here.
No, but the “happy hunting” does sort of imply malicious intent, so dirty plays on Mac are a possibility. Not the I believe players on other teams are going to have his back to that extent or anything.
I would agree that opposing players are not going to want to cost their team 15 yards and a first down by taking an unnecessary shot at Mac just because Burns told them to do so. Can't imagine Stefanski would go along with his players costing his team. Especially on a play that was at worst only borderline dirty. I recall Bill Romanowski openly bragging about far worse things he did as a player, all the while making it clear he wasn't alone.
Still, that was a BS tweet by Burns.
Bill Romanowski is one of the biggest scumbags in recent memory, so it's no surprise he had a laundry list of dirty plays he bragged about.
Players are such babies these days. Really, Garrett?
View: https://twitter.com/MaryKayCabot/status/1459247928787226632
View: https://twitter.com/MaryKayCabot/status/1459247928787226632
It'd be amazing if Mac said "I hope Garrett doesn't swing a helmet at my head when my helmet is off", but alas we know that will never happen.
Need the full context of question and quote. He could simply mean, "I hope I don't sprain my ankle on a play". Also possible he's being a full on ass about it. But that quote itself doesn't tell us which.
Exactly. It could be him making a veiled threat to Mac, it could be him mocking Burns for being "soft," or it could be a simple statement of fact.
I once did the same thing to a much larger player during a grammar school pickup game on the playground at recess. Grabbed his ankle as he went past me lying on the ground and held on like a pit bull until others finally brought him down. He didn't complain; in fact, recognizing the enormous difference in our sizes, he complimented me on how tenaciously I'd held onto him despite his best efforts to free himself.
