They should probably lose, but the funny thing is they’re still a good shot to end 11-5 with the 2 seed. Houston probably loses in Philly.
The Game Goat Thread: Week 14 at Miami
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Lol. They had Gronk in and had Devin McCourty on the bench on the final play.
Also, a 4-man rush instead of 3.
WFT FLORES AND BB.
Also, a 4-man rush instead of 3.
WFT FLORES AND BB.
Did anyone think it was weird or bad mojo they didn’t try for a TD on their last drive to really clinch the game? They have Brady, Gronk and Gordon.
Let's say Pit wins today and is 8-4-1 after today, a half game behind NE.
Pit has: vs NE, at NO, vs Cin
NE has: at Pit, vs Buf, vs NYJ
Hou has: at NYJ, at Phi, vs Jax
I think the game at Philly is Houston's only tough game, but they're better than the Eagles are. Pit still has to play at NO. So yeah, NE can still get the #2 seed even if they lose next week, but they need help. I don't want to need help. Bury Pittsburgh next week please.
they did go for it, Brady threw a perfect deep pass to Gordon that was PI'd.
once it's goal & go, where they're still not that good in the red zone, running was fine to take the TOs away and leave literally only 7 seconds on the clock. it took a complete failure in coaching and tackling still to lose.
once it's goal & go, where they're still not that good in the red zone, running was fine to take the TOs away and leave literally only 7 seconds on the clock. it took a complete failure in coaching and tackling still to lose.
Special teams. Special teams coaching.
Fucking kills us on a day we block 2 punts. I thought I’d seen it all.
Fucking kills us on a day we block 2 punts. I thought I’d seen it all.
I didn't realize they didn't have McCourty on the field. Holy crap what a terrible decision but honestly, it never should have come to that. They should have tackled the guy 50 yards prior to that.
It's not often the Pat's coaches screw up so bad that the other team is wondering WTF they were thinking.
Michael GiardiVerified account @MikeGiardi 3m3 minutes ago
One #Dolphins player said they were surprised to see Gronk on the field for that final play. “We weren’t throwing a Hail Mary. They had to know that, right?”
Michael GiardiVerified account @MikeGiardi 3m3 minutes ago
One #Dolphins player said they were surprised to see Gronk on the field for that final play. “We weren’t throwing a Hail Mary. They had to know that, right?”
we've been making dumb mistakes Bill-coached teams have never made this season.
honestly we deserve to be 9-4. rest of NFL is just so bad it was almost 10-3 anyways, but nope. whatever man.
honestly we deserve to be 9-4. rest of NFL is just so bad it was almost 10-3 anyways, but nope. whatever man.
Extend Josh Gordon now:
Mike Petraglia @Trags
"I thought it was a momentum shifter for us in a positive way, more than a negative way. For it to end that way, it just doesn't seem like that's the end result for us, it's not the end of the story. We've got more to prove, more to offer." A remarkably philosophical Josh Gordon
Mike Petraglia @Trags
"I thought it was a momentum shifter for us in a positive way, more than a negative way. For it to end that way, it just doesn't seem like that's the end result for us, it's not the end of the story. We've got more to prove, more to offer." A remarkably philosophical Josh Gordon
In hindsight it has crossed my mind. I expected at least one safe pass to a back or near LOS, that would be high completion % and would use a rub or screen to get into the end zone.
It's crazy to me to see more people naming Brady than Belichick in this thread. Brady had two bad plays in a row, this was an utter disastrous defensive performance coupled with baffling coaching decisions to close it out.
Let’s not Malcolm Butler this one. Vintage Belichick says, no he’s not throwing 65 yards on a bum ankle. And that’s the end of the discussion.
Did you forget about 2015?
1. Harper muffed punt
2. Ebner drop kick
3. Eagles block a punt for a TD near the end of the 1st Half
4. Giving the ball to the Jets in OT
5. The offensive game plan against Miami
6. Stork's headbobs in Denver
And going to KC, assuming they get past the WC round, may be the equivalent of playoff appearance @Denver.
As did Gronk, when playing TE, and not fucking safety. I take some optimism from that as well. Ghost and everyone associated with the defense,including coaches, except Gilmore and maybe High, wear the horns for this disaster.
And Brady was brilliant today except for that one terrible sequence, despite having to carry a trash defense and a totally ineffective running game that consistently put him in tough spots. He was the best player in the field.
The run game is not getting enough blame here. It was almost as bad as the D, and they kept going to it.
Tom was getting my game ball for sure. along with Edelman and Gordon.
you look at all the seasons in this run and what stopped us from winning the SB, it's kinda ridiculous how many ways they've ultimately gotten eliminated.
you look at all the seasons in this run and what stopped us from winning the SB, it's kinda ridiculous how many ways they've ultimately gotten eliminated.
I thought this was the worst coaching of the Belichick era. The timeouts in the first half were garbage, conservative bullshit play calling all game, the fourth down field goal, rushing four... like why do we even have a second down lineman on the field when the line was a dumpster fire all game? How do you give up 9 yards a carry to frank fucking gore and Brandon bolden?
The receivers and Brady came to play. The entire defense was a shitshow, but especially Harmon.
Why is a guy that missed two kicks getting that opportunity anyway? I just do not understand how a field goal added to their chances of winning at all. Seems indefensible. Even just downing at the 2 seems better.
The receivers and Brady came to play. The entire defense was a shitshow, but especially Harmon.
Why is a guy that missed two kicks getting that opportunity anyway? I just do not understand how a field goal added to their chances of winning at all. Seems indefensible. Even just downing at the 2 seems better.
Counterintuitive to be sure, but this one was the right choice in the overall, and I will defend it for life. If you get the ball first, you don't know how much you need to beat you. A field goal may not be well enough, and you're less likely to hit four down territory?
Get the ball second? You know what you have to score, and you get a greater opportunity of downside, it's always four if the other team successfully kicked a field goal. You have the knowledge that a FG will tie, win, or not be enough. It's why if I'm coaching I always will kickoff. That's to say nothing of elements, given you get to decide which way the opposition faces in games with heavy wind. Just look at Hank Stram's intentions (rather than Abner Haynes' actual decision of 'We'll kick to the clock!') in the 1962 AFL Championship.
1. Ghost, for giving away 4 points.
2. Brady for giving away 3 with the dumb sack at the half
3. Belichick, for having a defense unprepared for the lateral shit
2. Brady for giving away 3 with the dumb sack at the half
3. Belichick, for having a defense unprepared for the lateral shit
If they run 4 double reverses, even if they lose yards every time, the clock runs out and the game is over. You can’t tell me Ernie Adams doesn’t have a chart with running plays sorted from longest to shortest for elapsed time. There were so many ways we lost this game, its baffling.
People think Brady is supposed to be perfect. He gets criticized bc he’s so goddamn good. It’s nuts
There would have been like 15 seconds or something left. Enough time to run a couple plays; maybe you get a PI call and suddenly you are in FG range. Maybe you could have run a play on 4th down with Brady in the shotgun and try to run out the clock but that would have been tough to eat that much time.
This is, was and will always be complete insanity. It's the reason nobody fucking does it. And the one time a team did it, it bit them in the fucking ass, just as it should have.
Deferring in overtime is the world's stupidest decision. Dumber than putting Gronk on the field on that last play. If you get the ball first, you know exactly how many points you need to win. 6. You get a touchdown, you win. Alternatively, you may never get that chance. It's insanity.
I don't disagree with you, but that underlying point is pretty solid. They chose some pretty basic inside draws instead of swinging outside to let some kind of play development and time elapse to occur.
Brady makes 2 bad plays out of what, 70 opportunities today?
The defense makes what, 5 good plays, out of 50 opportunities today.
Yeah, Brady's equally at fault.
This. Right here. Those plays were bad to close the half, to say nothing of the TO remaining comment. No question. But this bar for Brady is unfair and unreal around here of late. I really doubt those changed the relative win probability as much as a fair share of the defensive lapses, which, as you noted, were a quantity far larger than two. Brady isn't in the top 20, to be conservative, of players I'd give a goat ball to today. I'm stunned to see this is a take some are having.
I know its a crazy suggestion, but we needed about +4 seconds a play and if you get only 2-3, then you’ve got 4th and goal with like 10 seconds left. You could run around backwards to the 25 and probably eat the rest of it.
Having said that, kicking off with 16 seconds left and a 5 pt lead is a dead solid lock on every day but today. So my suggestion isn’t based on solid game strategy as much as my level of frustration.
The offense destroyed Miami today in the first half yet still left points on the field. The offense in the second half.........not so good. They should have scored 40+ points today. Still though....the defense was the problem. That last play....omg unreal.
The Dolphins ran like 45 offensive plays today, and had 412 yards of offense. They averaged almost 10 yards per play. They averaged 9 yards every time they ran the ball, and they averaged over 15 yards on every completed pass (including incompletions and sacks, they averaged over 9 yards every time they tried to pass).
The defense was almost as bad today as they were in the Super Bowl. They were a sieve. If they don't deserve 99.99999999% of the blame (along with the coaching staff and Ghost), I don't know what else to say.
The defense was almost as bad today as they were in the Super Bowl. They were a sieve. If they don't deserve 99.99999999% of the blame (along with the coaching staff and Ghost), I don't know what else to say.
If more coaches were like you, as they should be, with respect to agressiveness on the field? I'd absolutely rethink my philosophy on this, in a vacuum.
Much as I understand your larger point of TD means a win, especially in today's NFL, too many coaches are more than happy kick for three and be conservative in playcalling. Until a shift like that changes for a majority of league (see also: 4th and short punts from opposing 35-40), and given a greater unit of opportunity in probable downs, this is my stance. I appreciate seeing the opposite side of matters, as it helps me think of further counters as necessary.
1) Ghost. Have to make those kicks.
2) Jon Jones. Tried to make a play on the ball and took himself out of the play instead of making the tackle. Worst thing he could have done there.
3) RBs. The running game was awful and White was quiet in the passing game. Some of that is on the OL but the RBs didn't make people miss or break tackles.
2) Jon Jones. Tried to make a play on the ball and took himself out of the play instead of making the tackle. Worst thing he could have done there.
3) RBs. The running game was awful and White was quiet in the passing game. Some of that is on the OL but the RBs didn't make people miss or break tackles.
This is a good call. Utterly unacceptable, the catch doesn't matter. The tackle does.
Well to be fair, the Dolphins had a handful of big plays. Gore's long run. Boldin's long run. The perfect TD pass. And then the 70 yard ridiculousness at the end that we ALL would have said were "garbage time yards" if it didn't, you know, work.
Still....they all happened and the D is to blame.
The only time I could see kicking in overtime as a realistic possibility is if I was trotting the '85 Bears defense or the '00 Ravens or '76 Steelers. In that situation, an argument could be made that the defense is so good that there is a real probability of getting the ball back with better field position than you'd get by receiving the kickoff to start the half.
The problem is those defenses don't exist anymore, and they probably never will because of the rules and the way the game is played and officiated. There is just too much offense in today's game to ever concede the ball when the next touchdown wins.
I think extremely challenging wind (remember Buffalo in ‘08?) heading toward one of the goal lines is a defensible basis to kick off on OT and take the wind.
But that’s rare.
Yep, it's pretty much exactly my point.
The corpse of Frank Gore had a 36 yard run, AND a 24 yard reception today.
Brandon Bolden, who is one of the worst running backs in the NFL, was literally not tackled the two times he touched the ball.
Kenny Stills had 135 yards receiving, including a 43 yard catch.
Brice Butler had a 23 yard touchdown reception
And on and on and on, without even getting to the last play. Considering the score, none of these were in "garbage time."
Well, at least you've come down from claiming that people were saying it was all Brady's fault.
And it's not 2 bad plays out of 70 ... it's 2 bad plays at a critical moment.
This is still on the defense, but let's not give Brady a pass by saying those 2 plays were equal to the other 68 in terms of importance
Ok, I might concede that too. That could be fair, but we gotta be talking about the kind of wind we see every 3-4 years in an NFL game.
Oh God, I've ignored you long enough. Do you know how to read?
This is the fourth post in THIS thread:
Tell me, who is he blaming the game on?
And yes, it's still 2 bad plays out of 70, no matter how many ways or how important they were. 2 out of 70. Period.
Yes. Here is what I hope they all learn from this. Never ever allow a game to come down to this defense. Ever. They are terrible and absolutely cannot be trusted. This offense needs to score TD's not settle for FG's.