The Game Goat Thread: Week 14 at Miami

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Also what was KVN doing on the play? He was at LOS and semi spying Tanny also keeping an eye on Drake but as Drake heads up field KVN gets between Drake and Tanny covering neither.
Rather important given he later just misses the tackle on Drake.
Either he freelanced badly on the play or the coaches had him in a terrible position.
I feel like we need a "30 for 30" on this play. The fact that Drake never had to give up the ball from midfield on will always astound me. I mean, if they execute 5 or 6 laterals to win, ok, good job. But to have a couple simple laterals beat you is just amazing. At some point, guys like Harmon and Gilmore needed to stop playing lanes and realize that their defense had broken down and it was time to chase the ball.
 

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and right up there with the 2009 squad on the likability scale.
I ifnd this year's team almost impossible to like.

but you don't expect this coach to not have the team ready or prepared for just about any situation including the one they blew this game on.
Have you not watched the road losses? I fully expect them to lay an egg OTR.

That being said, if Minny runs the ball last week I think they win. For all the laughing/cursing at Danny Shelton, how much is him being a healthy scratch impacting the run d?
 

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Just purely from an aesthetic POV, with this play they've also managed to turn the greatest TE ever, one who dominated the game when healthy and has done so many incredible things on a football field, into a punch line joke for the national media. Gronk is being mocked everywhere I can see this morning, in both mainstream and Deadspin-style sites. Christ, Bill Barnwell of all people was dunking on him last night on Twitter. He deserves better than that, but the team put him into a position where he could only fail.

That's simply not right and it's not doing well by your players, especially for a guy whose body is giving out in service to the team. It really sucks.
The bigger concern with Gronk is not how he'll react to getting mocked for his role in the play. It's whether he'll show up on the injury report this week. He could have easily tweaked his ankle attempting to lunge at Drake. He also got hit in the back by one of the Miami players. All this happens in a game where he clearly was as close to vintage Gronk as we'll likely see this season.

While I agree with the comparisons to 2015 Pats, I vehemently disagree with the comparisons to the 2009 Pats. This team doesn't have a bunch of defenders yelling at their rookie offensive lineman for throwing a clean open field block. And it doesn't have an old, slow, and terribly out of shape Adalius Thomas openly telling everyone that the team rules are stupid and therefore do not apply to him.
 

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For the record: I am not blaming Brady at all, but he completed less than 50% of his passes in the second half by my count; 10/21 for 135 yards
not all that is on him and he was a big reason they led until the end before the defense collectively put their heads into the sand, but much of his excellence came before half time.
 

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As shitty as it was, it took a fluke play to lose.

All of the garbage earlier (missed kicks, Brady’s end of half fuck up, the garbage D) would have been a footnote had that end of game play not happened. Everyone would have felt great.

This is not like the Lions game where nothing worked and it was a thrashing from minute one. The offense was awesome, Brady made some of the best throws of the season, Gordon stepped it up and Gronk was clutch.

The game was in hand and then a single failure cost the game. It sucks, but I don’t think it means anything because 99/100 times that situation occurs, the defense wins it.

The #2 seed is still very much in play. And I’m sure the final few games will have some surprises out of KC and Houston.
 

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I know this is a horrendous result. The defense was quite poor, the special teams were great and horrible, the offense left points on the table, and the last play was just bizarre (really, if Miami runs that play 100 times, how many times do the score?). It could be worse, the team could have just lost to the fucking Raiders.
 

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For the record: I am not blaming Brady at all, but he completed less than 50% of his passes in the second half by my count; 10/21 for 135 yards
not all that is on him and he was a big reason they led until the end before the defense collectively put their heads into the sand, but much of his excellence came before half time.
PFRef has him at 9 of 17 for 127. I would say he was not as sharp in the second half, but that line doesn't include the brilliant throw on the 41-yard DPI that should have sealed the game. He was also getting no help from the run game, which went 15 for 42 in the second half, with only two rushing first downs - one by Brady. Basically, he had to be brilliant for the O to do anything. He was in the first half, he was more inconsistent in the second half. Why they ran the ball 15 times in the second half even though it wasn't working all day is beyond me. The offensive line has a lot of bad tape to look at.
 

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Speaking of the turf; didn't the Pats essentially get their arm twisted by the league into putting in field turf? How in the world can places like Miami and Oak skate by with utter slop for fields a decade after Kraft had to pony up for a fancy new turf.
 

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Speaking of the turf; didn't the Pats essentially get their arm twisted by the league into putting in field turf? How in the world can places like Miami and Oak skate by with utter slop for fields a decade after Kraft had to pony up for a fancy new turf.
Washington too, the field helping ruin RGIII's career before it got started.
 

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PFRef has him at 9 of 17 for 127.
for the record, I used their play-by-play to count up the stats and it's definitely 10/21 going by that; I did not account for his 7 yard sack in the yardage total.
As I said, I agree with the rest of your post, but I thought it would be prudent to not even mention the statistical drop off
 

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Also, changing directions here, someone needs to tell me why the hell Rex Burkhead is getting playing time over James White. I mean that's just inexplicable. They didn't use White much at all yesterday. Burkhead is terrible. White excels at catching out of the backfield and leads the team in TDs. Why the hell wasn't he playing more?
I felt like White had been getting the @#$@ pounded out of him for a few weeks and maybe the Pats are trying to both 1) work Burkhead back into the game plan and 2) save some hits on White.
 

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Also, Burkhead isn't terrible in the least. He's pretty useful. He is, however, a disaster at short yardage running as witnessed again yesterday.
 

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Granted DMC should have been out there instead of Gronk but why would we want Gronk out there anyway. For the Hail Mary? Gronk is not 100% healthy. Gronk is incredibly important to this offense. Do we really want to risk an injury to him chasing down a player on a last second play or in a rugby scrum in the end zone? Didn't Bill learn anything from Gronk's unnecessary injury on the point after team?
 

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I felt like White had been getting the @#$@ pounded out of him for a few weeks and maybe the Pats are trying to both 1) work Burkhead back into the game plan and 2) save some hits on White.
I think this is exactly correct and thought so during the game. White also got a little dinged up a week or two ago.

As for Gronk, it is well established that under BB if guys are healthy enough to play, they are healthy enough to play, full stop. Whether that was the right call or not is a different story.
 

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I ifnd this year's team almost impossible to like.
I love this team. I like this team. Edelman is back and he's a blast. Gronk isn't as good but he's always lovable. Develin scoring touchdowns? Awesome. Gilmore a stud? Love it. The Gordon redemption story? Amazing.

Simply put, they're not as good as some past Patriots' teams. Well, all that and they could still very well end up 12-4 and either the #1 or #2 seed.

Sucks to be us, I guess.
 

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PFRef has him at 9 of 17 for 127. I would say he was not as sharp in the second half, but that line doesn't include the brilliant throw on the 41-yard DPI that should have sealed the game. He was also getting no help from the run game, which went 15 for 42 in the second half, with only two rushing first downs - one by Brady. Basically, he had to be brilliant for the O to do anything. He was in the first half, he was more inconsistent in the second half. Why they ran the ball 15 times in the second half even though it wasn't working all day is beyond me. The offensive line has a lot of bad tape to look at.
Turns out that DPI penalty saved the game for the Dolphins. Who'd have thunk it?
 

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I feel like we need a "30 for 30" on this play. The fact that Drake never had to give up the ball from midfield on will always astound me. I mean, if they execute 5 or 6 laterals to win, ok, good job. But to have a couple simple laterals beat you is just amazing. At some point, guys like Harmon and Gilmore needed to stop playing lanes and realize that their defense had broken down and it was time to chase the ball.
It's worth noting that Brandon Bolden ran untouched down the same sideline earlier in the game from a similar distance.

While I agree with the comparisons to 2015 Pats, I vehemently disagree with the comparisons to the 2009 Pats. This team doesn't have a bunch of defenders yelling at their rookie offensive lineman for throwing a clean open field block. And it doesn't have an old, slow, and terribly out of shape Adalius Thomas openly telling everyone that the team rules are stupid and therefore do not apply to him.
I can't decide if that makes it better or worse. At least we knew who to blame for 2009. This is a bunch of veteran leaders and youngsters and they play like a bunch of jerks sometimes.

All of the garbage earlier (missed kicks, Brady’s end of half fuck up, the garbage D) would have been a footnote had that end of game play not happened. Everyone would have felt great.
The defensive performance was pretty concerning even without the last play. If I didn't know any better, I'd think they don't gameplan for road games. Three TDs in the first four drives for the 25th scoring offense? And easy TDs, too. Yikes. The Dolphins scored 34 points on 48 offensive plays yesterday. That shouldn't be possible. They did not even face a third down on any of their five TD drives; they only faced four second downs on those drives.

for the record, I used their play-by-play to count up the stats and it's definitely 10/21 going by that; I did not account for his 7 yard sack in the yardage total.
As I said, I agree with the rest of your post, but I thought it would be prudent to not even mention the statistical drop off
I haven't looked closer at these numbers to see where we differ, but the Pats only touched the ball four times in the second half and drove into FG attempts three times. That's pretty good, especially with not really trying to score a TD on the last drive. It would have been nice if they punched in another TD, and it would have been nice if Gostkowski hit the FG he missed, but the O was hardly stymied. And it goes without saying it was all Brady / the pass game; the run offense was putrid.

Turns out that DPI penalty saved the game for the Dolphins. Who'd have thunk it?
The other play like this was the 12 men on the field penalty that the Dolphins tried to call timeout for but didn't get. If they get that timeout and the Pats can convert a first down (which would have been tougher with a 1st-and-10 than a 1st-and-5, so not apples-to-apples), it's over. Of course, it should have been over anyway.
 

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Mark brought this up on his review podcast but the short yardage run blocking was a problem. That 3rd down Burkhead run Alonso had a free path to Burkhead. If you give a LB a free path to clog up a lane or penetrate a lane you’re going to have a bad time.
 

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Extend Josh Gordon now:

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"I thought it was a momentum shifter for us in a positive way, more than a negative way. For it to end that way, it just doesn't seem like that's the end result for us, it's not the end of the story. We've got more to prove, more to offer." A remarkably philosophical Josh Gordon
Reminds me a lot of Manny Ramirez's (widely misinterpreted) 'end of the world' comments while being down 3-1 in the 2007 ALCS.
 
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Mark brought this up on his review podcast but the short yardage run blocking was a problem. That 3rd down Burkhead run Alonso had a free path to Burkhead. If you give a LB a free path to clog up a lane or penetrate a lane you’re going to have a bad time.
It really can't be overstated how bad the run game was yesterday. Michel carried the ball 20 times and had 1 first down. Burkhead and White had four carries apiece with 0 first downs. 28 carries by RBs, 1 first down (Brady and Develin had one first down run each).

I hesitate to harp on the run game too much because it's distracting from the defense, which was borderline historically bad, and needs to be the focus of our ire and condemnation. But good lord the run game was awful yesterday. And they stuck with it!
 

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After a day to cool down, reconsider, etc., I don’t find as much fault with Gronk on the field for the last play. It’s such a fluke play that even for team that is as prepared as the Pats, running out the “last play” team for the last play without tweaking it for this specific situation isn’t as bad as I thought yesterday. Should they have been on it? Sure. But not being uber prepared for a play that is successful once a decade isn’t that big of a deal. Hindsight and media piling on may have a field day, and I doubt they ever do it again, but the difference in odds of the play being successful with Gronk v DMC are so slim I can see where 2 coaches didn’t look at each other and say “hey wait a minute, what if...”

On to Pittsburgh.
 

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It's worth noting that Brandon Bolden ran untouched down the same sideline earlier in the game from a similar distance.


I can't decide if that makes it better or worse. At least we knew who to blame for 2009. This is a bunch of veteran leaders and youngsters and they play like a bunch of jerks sometimes.


The defensive performance was pretty concerning even without the last play. If I didn't know any better, I'd think they don't gameplan for road games. Three TDs in the first four drives for the 25th scoring offense? And easy TDs, too. Yikes. The Dolphins scored 34 points on 48 offensive plays yesterday. That shouldn't be possible. They did not even face a third down on any of their five TD drives; they only faced four second downs on those drives.


I haven't looked closer at these numbers to see where we differ, but the Pats only touched the ball four times in the second half and drove into FG attempts three times. That's pretty good, especially with not really trying to score a TD on the last drive. It would have been nice if they punched in another TD, and it would have been nice if Gostkowski hit the FG he missed, but the O was hardly stymied. And it goes without saying it was all Brady / the pass game; the run offense was putrid.


The other play like this was the 12 men on the field penalty that the Dolphins tried to call timeout for but didn't get. If they get that timeout and the Pats can convert a first down (which would have been tougher with a 1st-and-10 than a 1st-and-5, so not apples-to-apples), it's over. Of course, it should have been over anyway.
Someone sharp in the game thread called that out when it happened. Would have been better for the Pats if the blind officiating crew had granted that TO. Strange day.
 

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Great job of ESPN, feels dirty saying that, showing how Gillmore also abandoned his lane on "the play" leading to ther TD. If he simply stays put Drake almost runs into him, instead he drifts away from Drake as if he assumed a lateral was coming to a player that wasn't there. Just so much suck on one play from a team that prides itself on preparation.
 

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I could’ve sworn I saw a tweet from a Pats beat guy saying Gilmore stayed in his lane like he was supposed to, but now I can’t find it. If he gives chase, there’s no one else to cover that side of the field. It would be nice to see a Bill’s Breakdown of exactly what everyone was supposed to do.
 

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After a day to cool down, reconsider, etc., I don’t find as much fault with Gronk on the field for the last play. It’s such a fluke play that even for team that is as prepared as the Pats, running out the “last play” team for the last play without tweaking it for this specific situation isn’t as bad as I thought yesterday. Should they have been on it? Sure. But not being uber prepared for a play that is successful once a decade isn’t that big of a deal. Hindsight and media piling on may have a field day, and I doubt they ever do it again, but the difference in odds of the play being successful with Gronk v DMC are so slim I can see where 2 coaches didn’t look at each other and say “hey wait a minute, what if...”

On to Pittsburgh.
This is where I kind of am as well. From his comments yesterday it sounds like B.B. was trying to defend against a deep pass (maybe some sort of tipped Hail Mary play) with Gronk and the multi-lateral play with everyone else. The fact that the lateral play got all the way to Gronk is an indictment of the rest of the defense’s execution. Jones came flying in way too hot on the initial reception. You don’t need to blow up the receiver or knock the ball away. Come in under control and wrap him up, or contain him a bit and give others time to get there. Instead he whiffed and let the receiver break free and it all went to shit from there.
 

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This is where I kind of am as well. From his comments yesterday it sounds like B.B. was trying to defend against a deep pass (maybe some sort of tipped Hail Mary play) with Gronk and the multi-lateral play with everyone else. The fact that the lateral play got all the way to Gronk is an indictment of the rest of the defense’s execution. Jones came flying in way too hot on the initial reception. You don’t need to blow up the receiver or knock the ball away. Come in under control and wrap him up, or contain him a bit and give others time to get there. Instead he whiffed and let the receiver break free and it all went to shit from there.
Jones definitely came in too hot. No need to go after the ball on initial throw unless it’s right at you. However, I thought the most costly mistake was by Jackson. Instead of guarding against the lateral from Stills to Parker, he makes a half-assed attempt to tackle Stills with Jones right there and Gilmore covering if Stills goes towards middle of the field. This made the lateral from Stills to Parker very easy and at that point it really turned into a race. It almost looked like the entire defense was waiting for somebody else to make a play. They were so lackadaisical.
 

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Jones definitely came in too hot. No need to go after the ball on initial throw unless it’s right at you. However, I thought the most costly mistake was by Jackson. Instead of guarding against the lateral from Stills to Parker, he makes a half-assed attempt to tackle Stills with Jones right there and Gilmore covering if Stills goes towards middle of the field. This made the lateral from Stills to Parker very easy and at that point it really turned into a race. It almost looked like the entire defense was waiting for somebody else to make a play. They were so lackadaisical.
It felt like the Pats rushed 5 guys, all big linemen; and therefore there were only 6 guys back. Of course, they only rushed 2 or 3, so this wasn't the case. Never seemed to be anyone there at any point to make the play.
My complaint would be the series starting from the 7, first and goal. I think you make sure the plays you run take off more time than what they did. Run laterally, jet sweep; that sort of thing. Should have been half the time left that there was (and therefore only time for the kickoff; although I guess they could have messed that up in the same manner); even if you end up back between the 10 and the 15 it's still a very makeable field goal.
And let's face it, Brady doesn't have the brain fart at the end of the half probably none of this happens.
 

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It felt like the Pats rushed 5 guys, all big linemen; and therefore there were only 6 guys back. Of course, they only rushed 2 or 3, so this wasn't the case. Never seemed to be anyone there at any point to make the play.
My complaint would be the series starting from the 7, first and goal. I think you make sure the plays you run take off more time than what they did. Run laterally, jet sweep; that sort of thing. Should have been half the time left that there was (and therefore only time for the kickoff; although I guess they could have messed that up in the same manner); even if you end up back between the 10 and the 15 it's still a very makeable field goal.
And let's face it, Brady doesn't have the brain fart at the end of the half probably none of this happens.
I don't really have a problem with the clock management at that point. I'm guessing they were hoping to get more out of the first down rush by White, either getting the TD (which would have ended the game right then and there) or getting to the 1 or 2 yard line for a more makable TD on 2nd or 3rd down. Miami had a timeout they were going to call anyway. But the OL got blown up as they had all afternoon by a really bad run defense.

They got very conservative on 2nd and 3rd down, but at the same time the #1 priority at that point was to simply avoid a turnover, which they did. A fumble on a run to the sideline can be returned for a big gain or worse. I really don't think there were 8 seconds that could have been killed (which is the half of the 16 seconds that was remaining after the FG).

At some point, you have to coach assuming that your kick coverage and defensive unit can execute. Instead, the kick coverage was awful (that 16 yard return by Ballage had me worried), and the defensive coverage on the last play was even worse (Gronk's usage aside).
 

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Also, Burkhead isn't terrible in the least. He's pretty useful. He is, however, a disaster at short yardage running as witnessed again yesterday.
I don't know--he seemed really good at getting short yardage. If ya know what I mean...