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Any word on Peeke?


And Shattenkirk needs to sit out unless injuries require it. He was awful last night.
I thought he was OK until Peeke went out. Then he just got exposed. I think his PP instincts are underappreciated.
additionally, Peeke was kind of a disaster himself. 30% xGF% with an ozone start at 54%.
This is interesting. They *looked* so much worse after he went out. Is it just fatigue/shuffling -related? Just the PK? Hockey analytics are my achilles heel.
 

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The silence on Sunday is because I was out of town at my wife's fencing tournament!

They need to win a playoff series. It's been three years already and after last year they have to show they can figure this out. Toronto is absolutely a team they should beat. No, they aren't winning the Cup but they cannot be getting dismissed early again either.
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The silence on Sunday is because I was out of town at my wife's fencing tournament!

They need to win a playoff series. It's been three years already and after last year they have to show they can figure this out. Toronto is absolutely a team they should beat. No, they aren't winning the Cup but they cannot be getting dismissed early again either.
$10 to TACA in honor of DRS that the Bruins win the series?
 

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I thought he was OK until Peeke went out. Then he just got exposed. I think his PP instincts are underappreciated.


This is interesting. They *looked* so much worse after he went out. Is it just fatigue/shuffling -related? Just the PK? Hockey analytics are my achilles heel.
They weren't great together, but it's a tiny sample, 11:58 across the 2 games. Shots were 8-6 Torotno, Scoring chances, 7-4 Toronto, high danger chances 4-1 Toronto, goals were 1-0 Toronto. And they got 85% Ozone starts. I don't think you can parse out who is more at fault, neither were good.

The problem, and it goes beyond just Peeke and Shattenkirk is the Bruins are spending too much time in their own end. They are only going to be able to defend for so long. It's why I'd advocate for Lohrei. I know he's a risk defensively but having Forbort-Wotherspoon defend a bit better but be stuck in their own end for entire shifts and just chipping pucks out to the neutral zone isn't a great alternative either.
 

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They weren't great together, but it's a tiny sample, 11:58 across the 2 games. Shots were 8-6 Torotno, Scoring chances, 7-4 Toronto, high danger chances 4-1 Toronto, goals were 1-0 Toronto. And they got 85% Ozone starts. I don't think you can parse out who is more at fault, neither were good.

The problem, and it goes beyond just Peeke and Shattenkirk is the Bruins are spending too much time in their own end. They are only going to be able to defend for so long. It's why I'd advocate for Lohrei. I know he's a risk defensively but having Forbort-Wotherspoon defend a bit better but be stuck in their own end for entire shifts and just chipping pucks out to the neutral zone isn't a great alternative either.
And that’s where I think some criticism can be made of the coach. Breaking the puck out has been a problem all year. Sweeney has made several roster moves trying to address it. He can’t come with anything scheme wise to help it? Maybe counter what the forecheck is trying to make them do?
 

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This is the second year in a row they're getting pushed around on home ice. I'm getting the uneasy feeling that Monty is not a wartime consigliere.

The Bruins should have the edge in defense and goaltending but they're getting handily outplayed. Not good.
The silence on Sunday is because I was out of town at my wife's fencing tournament!

They need to win a playoff series. It's been three years already and after last year they have to show they can figure this out. Toronto is absolutely a team they should beat. No, they aren't winning the Cup but they cannot be getting dismissed early again either.
This Bs team is pretty soft. I thought they'd be one and done until they drew Toronto, which is also pretty soft, and has Boston demons besides.

I'm disappointed that they played so badly last night, but tbh, I have pretty low expectations for the post season. I'd much rather that they beat TO (I live here, and do *not* want Leafs fans gloating. Which is actually something I've never experienced, but still...), but whoever comes out of this series will get pushed around in turn in round 2.
 

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I've been sitting on a thought all year that perhaps the worst thing that happened was the hot start. I forget the exact games and am too lazy to look it up but if you take out something like the first 15 they're basically a .500 team. Which is where I thought a lot of people expected them to be - fighting for #3 of WC position. But the hot start raised expectations way above where this team should be.

It's not a great thought and it needs to incubate a bit more before it sees the light of day but here we are.
 

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I've been sitting on a thought all year that perhaps the worst thing that happened was the hot start. I forget the exact games and am too lazy to look it up but if you take out something like the first 15 they're basically a .500 team. Which is where I thought a lot of people expected them to be - fighting for #3 of WC position. But the hot start raised expectations way above where this team should be.

It's not a great thought and it needs to incubate a bit more before it sees the light of day but here we are.
No need to incubate. By most statistical measures they were a mediocre team, at best.

(they started 11-1-1; 36-19-14 the rest of the way. That's still a 100 point pace over 82 but closer to Toronto/Tampa than the top of the league).

Doesn't mean they can't win this series or even the whole thing if things break right.
 

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Per BostonSportsInfo on Twitter, the Bruins are 33-33 in the postseason on home ice since they won the Cup. That isn't going to get it done.
They tried to build the team around skating ability and speed to make up for the lack of top end skill and they have probably the worst ice surface in the league so it doesn’t surprise me. Puck sticks and bounces everywhere on that surface. And they’re not skilled enough to overcome it.

And that comment about lack of top end skill is not a knock on them. That’s what happens when you’re good enough to not pick in the top 5 for a couple of decades. The fact that they hit home runs with Pastrnak & McAvoy and didn’t have to go to the bottom of the league is awesome. Hopefully they can get a true number 1 center in free agency.
 

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No need to incubate. By most statistical measures they were a mediocre team, at best.

(they started 11-1-1; 36-19-14 the rest of the way. That's still a 100 point pace over 82 but closer to Toronto/Tampa than the top of the league).

Doesn't mean they can't win this series or even the whole thing if things break right.
thanks for doing the math. so counting ot loss as losses it's 36-33 which is I guess what I was thinking. Which yeah isn't awful. But closer to reality for them.
 

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thanks for doing the math. so counting ot loss as losses it's 36-33 which is I guess what I was thinking. Which yeah isn't awful. But closer to reality for them.
The Bruins have better goaltending, defense and home ice "advantage" in this series. There's no excuse for them not to win this series. They need to figure this shit out. They've have many years of being the better team and getting upset by the underdog, there are seemingly very few years where they are the ones doing the upsetting.

It's infuriating. Maybe it's the org's constant admonition not to retaliate in terms of physical play, but something isn't working here.

EDIT: They haven't beaten a team with more points than them in the playoffs since beating PIT in 2013 in the Conference Final. 11 years without upsetting a team.

I wonder if the Bruins are just better at rolling out their guys first on the road, and get too caught up in matchups and line swapping at home. Again, that's on Monty if true.
 
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The Bruins have better goaltending, defense and home ice "advantage" in this series. There's no excuse for them not to win this series. They need to figure this shit out. They've have many years of being the better team and getting upset by the underdog, there are seemingly very few years where they are the ones doing the upsetting.

It's infuriating. Maybe it's the org's constant admonition not to retaliate in terms of physical play, but something isn't working here.

EDIT: They haven't beaten a team with more points than them in the playoffs since beating PIT in 2013 in the Conference Final. 11 years without upsetting a team.
I think a lot of the not retaliating for physical play is due to how they get officiated after the constant whining by Montreal, Tampa, Vancouver, etc after the cup year. They have to get over that, go back to being a physical team, and just kill the penalties if they get called.

Problem is that everyone wants really physical players but most of those guys suck at hockey. Everyone wants a Matt Tkachuk but you gotta draft in the top 5 or trade a guy that you drafted in the top 5 to get that guy. Most times you get skilled guys that aren’t very physical, or physical players that can’t play hockey very well.

Sweeney really is in a tough spot. He’s gotta figure out how to add pieces that everyone else wants as well without high draft picks. And he’s gotta do it soon before he wastes the prime of his two franchise players.
 

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I think a lot of the not retaliating for physical play is due to how they get officiated after the constant whining by Montreal, Tampa, Vancouver, etc after the cup year. They have to get over that, go back to being a physical team, and just kill the penalties if they get called.

Problem is that everyone wants really physical players but most of those guys suck at hockey. Everyone wants a Matt Tkachuk but you gotta draft in the top 5 or trade a guy that you drafted in the top 5 to get that guy. Most times you get skilled guys that aren’t very physical, or physical players that can’t play hockey very well.

Sweeney really is in a tough spot. He’s gotta figure out how to add pieces that everyone else wants as well without high draft picks. And he’s gotta do it soon before he wastes the prime of his two franchise players.
Well Sweeney had his chance in 2015 and messed it up (Barzal, Conner, and Chabot being taken 16th, 17th and 18th are absolute killers), but yeah I agree.

In retrospect perhaps not trading Ullmark was a mistake, not because Ullmark is bad but because he might have netted a huge haul in return.
 

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In retrospect perhaps not trading Ullmark was a mistake, not because Ullmark is bad but because he might have netted a huge haul in return.
Entirely possible, but 1) let's not prematurely write this team's script yet - who knows how far they go and 2) it's so much damn fun having these two guys. I get that it would have probably been the optimal decision, but sometimes it makes for a less fun experience as a fan. We've been through that with some of the other Boston teams.
 

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Well Sweeney had his chance in 2015 and messed it up (Barzal and Conner being taken 16th and 17th are absolute killers), but yeah I agree.

In retrospect perhaps not trading Ullmark was a mistake, not because Ullmark is bad but because he might have netted a huge haul in return.
He also had a no trade clause. I agree with you on Barzal. Guarantee he’d like to have that one back.
 

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Entirely possible, but 1) let's not prematurely write this team's script yet - who knows how far they go and 2) it's so much damn fun having these two guys. I get that it would have probably been the optimal decision, but sometimes it makes for a less fun experience as a fan. We've been through that with some of the other Boston teams.
100% agreed, I would have been bummed if they had dealt him. Just saying from a purely hockey on-ice standpoint it may have helped them this year. But yeah, I love having both guys too.
 

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This is hockey. The road team wins in hockey a lot. Toronto is very evenly matched against Boston. The Bruins won 5-1 and then lost 3-2. Obviously aggregate goals aren’t a thing because a win is a win no matter the difference but Boston has 7 goals to 4 for Toronto. I’d fully expect Boston to play well and split in Toronto because evenly matched teams in the NHL tend to play pretty evenly.
 

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I remember TSC (I think) being all in on Barzal during that draft. We should try and find the thread.
For some reason I was really amped up on Ivan Provorov that draft...but there's also this after they took Zboril:

Ok...so NOW Connor and Barzal...right?
Please please Barzal. He's Pastrnak at C. Please.
I was also begging them to draft Debrincat over Frederic in 2016.

Now that Jones is off the board - my binkie for the Bruins is Debrincat. They'd never go with someone that small, but the kid can put the puck in the net.
Maybe I should reach out to Donny, see if he's hiring.
 
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This team was supposed to suck this year. If we can re-litigate 2015 yet again, how about we go back to September 2023 and read what the entire NHL and local media were predicting in the wake of losing Bergeron, Krecji, and the deadline rental guys from last year.l? No cap room, going to be a miserable year, bridge year, etc. They overperformed, got amazing perfomances out jag guys like Heinen, JVR, Geekie, Braz, etc for no money with no cap space. Now we are calling for Monty’s head after a 3-2 loss where the league leading goal scorer won the game on a breakaway?

Going back to September, we were supposed to be a 7 or 8th seed and lucky to make the playoffs in the wake of Bergeron. So take a deep breath, realize that this still a bridge year with a fuckton of cap space for next year, core intact and some promising youth. And maybe our goalies will still steal a couple and make a run. Have some perspective.
 

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And again, they’ve lost 1 FUCKING GAME. The playoffs brings out the stupid of so many people here year after year after year.
 

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This team was supposed to suck this year. If we can re-litigate 2015 yet again, how about we go back to September 2023 and read what the entire NHL and local media were predicting in the wake of losing Bergeron, Krecji, and the deadline rental guys from last year.l? No cap room, going to be a miserable year, bridge year, etc. They overperformed, got amazing perfomances out jag guys like Heinen, JVR, Geekie, Braz, etc for no money with no cap space. Now we are calling for Monty’s head after a 3-2 loss where the league leading goal scorer won the game on a breakaway?

Going back to September, we were supposed to be a 7 or 8th seed and lucky to make the playoffs in the wake of Bergeron. So take a deep breath, realize that this still a bridge year with a fuckton of cap space for next year, core intact and some promising youth. And maybe our goalies will still steal a couple and make a run. Have some perspective.
On the flip side, they did perform and raised expectations, preseason means nothing at this point. They are expected to compete in the playoffs as the 1 seed and after last year's collapse, there is rightfully a lens on how Monty navigates this series. I don't think people are ready to fire him, but there should rightfully be some skepticism until he can push the team over the first round. Great regular season coach, can he do it in the playoffs?

History is littered with teams that over perform and win, why can't this team?
 

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This team was supposed to suck this year. If we can re-litigate 2015 yet again, how about we go back to September 2023 and read what the entire NHL and local media were predicting in the wake of losing Bergeron, Krecji, and the deadline rental guys from last year.l? No cap room, going to be a miserable year, bridge year, etc. They overperformed, got amazing perfomances out jag guys like Heinen, JVR, Geekie, Braz, etc for no money with no cap space. Now we are calling for Monty’s head after a 3-2 loss where the league leading goal scorer won the game on a breakaway?

Going back to September, we were supposed to be a 7 or 8th seed and lucky to make the playoffs in the wake of Bergeron. So take a deep breath, realize that this still a bridge year with a fuckton of cap space for next year, core intact and some promising youth. And maybe our goalies will still steal a couple and make a run. Have some perspective.
I wasn’t calling for his head. I was saying he should be questioned. But that’s probably my bias against coaches in hockey in general. I think 90% lose their usefulness after 3-4 years.
 

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Yeah I don't think that's what is actually happening here. I don't see any over reaction to the loss, just folks sharing an opinion on how the team looked and what that might mean. There are legit concerns with how the team played in game 2, it's ok to discuss those.
 

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I disagree. We’re at the point where we’re relitigating Sweeney’s first draft (once again) and lamenting the team building strategy because they lost Game 2.
 

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I disagree. We’re at the point where we’re relitigating Sweeney’s first draft (once again) and lamenting the team building strategy because they lost Game 2.
I want to emphasize this quote because it's the crux of my position on this team:

History is littered with teams that over perform and win, why can't this team?
This, very much this. The Bruins, like almost all teams, get upset from time to time in the playoffs. Last year was a particularly egregious example of postseason underperformance and disappointment. But the most frustrating thing about this team as long as I can possibly remember is that it never, ever goes the other way. The Bruins never seem to punch above their weight in the postseason. I don't know why that is, they seem to have all the ingredients of a team that could do so with strong goaltending and good defense. But it doesn't seem to happen.

I don't think it's unfair at all to question if Monty is a good postseason coach. While it's still a small sample size overall, he's been unable to figure out a few very obvious problems. I also think it's fair to question the Bruins' FO approach to the way the team gets reffed in the playoffs. St Louis won the Cup in large part because Berube and the Blues' FO masterfully played the PR game with the league and got the refs to stop calling penalties on the Blues. The Bruins do not engage in such lobbying which looks classier but might hurt them on the ice.

As the years pass us all by, it seems clearer than ever to me that 2011 really was a lifetime's worth of miracles in one postseason.

One of the things I'd like to emphasize is that discussion can and will be organic here. This forum of all on the website is likely the best for good, intelligent and sometimes meandering discussion. I'd like to let it keep being that way.
 

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As the years pass us all by, it seems clearer than ever to me that 2011 really was a lifetime's worth of miracles in one postseason.
Sometime yesterday, this thought crossed my mind as well.

And amongst all the things that amaze me looking back, I think the absolute most amazing thing is that usually when you build up an intense sports hatred, you end up disappointed because that team ends up winning. Like the Yankees in the 90s (and 2003). I wanted so, so, so badly to beat Vancouver after the biting and Horton incidents. They were such villains. I figured that we were all destined to be disappointed and that the bad guys would get away with it.

Similar to 2004, you couldn't write that script. I can't believe it happened.
 

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I want to emphasize this quote because it's the crux of my position on this team:



This, very much this. The Bruins, like almost all teams, get upset from time to time in the playoffs. Last year was a particularly egregious example of postseason underperformance and disappointment. But the most frustrating thing about this team as long as I can possibly remember is that it never, ever goes the other way. The Bruins never seem to punch above their weight in the postseason. I don't know why that is, they seem to have all the ingredients of a team that could do so with strong goaltending and good defense. But it doesn't seem to happen.

I don't think it's unfair at all to question if Monty is a good postseason coach. While it's still a small sample size overall, he's been unable to figure out a few very obvious problems. I also think it's fair to question the Bruins' FO approach to the way the team gets reffed in the playoffs. St Louis won the Cup in large part because Berube and the Blues' FO masterfully played the PR game with the league and got the refs to stop calling penalties on the Blues. The Bruins do not engage in such lobbying which looks classier but might hurt them on the ice.

As the years pass us all by, it seems clearer than ever to me that 2011 really was a lifetime's worth of miracles in one postseason.

One of the things I'd like to emphasize is that discussion can and will be organic here. This forum of all on the website is likely the best for good, intelligent and sometimes meandering discussion. I'd like to let it keep being that way.
Now imagine you are a Leafs fan....

Bruins win tonight and the world will be right again for Bs fans. Leafs have a helluva player with Matthews, but I am not too worried about the rest of the squad and believe Samsonov is going to get exposed as the series goes on. Put me on Team Optimistic
 

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They tried to build the team around skating ability and speed to make up for the lack of top end skill and they have probably the worst ice surface in the league so it doesn’t surprise me. Puck sticks and bounces everywhere on that surface. And they’re not skilled enough to overcome it.

And that comment about lack of top end skill is not a knock on them. That’s what happens when you’re good enough to not pick in the top 5 for a couple of decades. The fact that they hit home runs with Pastrnak & McAvoy and didn’t have to go to the bottom of the league is awesome. Hopefully they can get a true number 1 center in free agency.
What makes their ice surface so bad if indeed that's a problem?
 

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What makes their ice surface so bad if indeed that's a problem?
I have read that the building isn't kept cold enough for ideal ice conditions. No idea how true that is. The use of the surface for Celtics games likely plays a part as well. The best surface in the league is in Edmonton IIRC and there are no basketball games played in that arena.
 

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I want to emphasize this quote because it's the crux of my position on this team:



This, very much this. The Bruins, like almost all teams, get upset from time to time in the playoffs. Last year was a particularly egregious example of postseason underperformance and disappointment. But the most frustrating thing about this team as long as I can possibly remember is that it never, ever goes the other way. The Bruins never seem to punch above their weight in the postseason. I don't know why that is, they seem to have all the ingredients of a team that could do so with strong goaltending and good defense. But it doesn't seem to happen.

I don't think it's unfair at all to question if Monty is a good postseason coach. While it's still a small sample size overall, he's been unable to figure out a few very obvious problems. I also think it's fair to question the Bruins' FO approach to the way the team gets reffed in the playoffs. St Louis won the Cup in large part because Berube and the Blues' FO masterfully played the PR game with the league and got the refs to stop calling penalties on the Blues. The Bruins do not engage in such lobbying which looks classier but might hurt them on the ice.

As the years pass us all by, it seems clearer than ever to me that 2011 really was a lifetime's worth of miracles in one postseason.

One of the things I'd like to emphasize is that discussion can and will be organic here. This forum of all on the website is likely the best for good, intelligent and sometimes meandering discussion. I'd like to let it keep being that way.
And I think calling out those questions after losing their first game is stupid. As I thought most of your rantings and ravings last year after they lost were stupid and unhinged. I don't find the discussion good or intelligent but largely reactionary and devoid of logic. There's no benefit to calling it first, especially in the playoffs where things can sway and turn so quickly (see: last year). And if they win the next three games and go on a little run, this conversation will be forgotten.

And the last thing I'm trying to do is play thread police as your last sentences seem to imply.
 

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I disagree. We’re at the point where we’re relitigating Sweeney’s first draft (once again) and lamenting the team building strategy because they lost Game 2.
I'm in the same frame of mind. The Bruins didn't play great on Monday night and they still almost sneaked a win away from a desperate Toronto team. Add in that I don't think that anyone realistically thought that the B's were going to sweep the Leafs, so logically, a loss or two would need to be expected.

Yes, losing in the postseason sucks because it brings you that much closer to the end of the year, but it's only game 2.
 

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I think the biggest problem with game 2 is that it felt a lot like the majority of games coming down the stretch where BOS trotted out a C+ effort at best most nights. It was hard to tell the last week if they were intentionally tanking to get TOR or that was just their level of play. We saw glimpses of their A game when they dominated a red hot NAS team and beat TOR 4-1 2X in less than a week but by and large the team was lifeless down the stretch generating hardly any SOG vs. CAR, WAS and OTT to finish the season and largely looked disinterested the last few weeks.

The hope was that they weren't going full tilt like they did last season so that they would have a full tank for the playoffs but game 2 certainly didn't reflect that.
 

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And I think calling out those questions after losing their first game is stupid. As I thought most of your rantings and ravings last year after they lost were stupid and unhinged. I don't find the discussion good or intelligent but largely reactionary and devoid of logic. There's no benefit to calling it first, especially in the playoffs where things can sway and turn so quickly (see: last year). And if they win the next three games and go on a little run, this conversation will be forgotten.

And the last thing I'm trying to do is play thread police as your last sentences seem to imply.
Yeah, see that's like your opinion man. And yeah, you were trying to thread police.

Take it to my DMs if you want to discuss this further.
 

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I have read that the building isn't kept cold enough for ideal ice conditions. No idea how true that is. The use of the surface for Celtics games likely plays a part as well. The best surface in the league is in Edmonton IIRC and there are no basketball games played in that arena.
So what do the other 9 NHL buildings with NBA teams do better than the Bruins? Why would the owners of the building who also own the Bruins (and not the Celtics) purposely make the ice worse? Let me guess, Jacobs is cheap angle? Goes well with Sweeney can’t draft in 2015 and Monty is a terrible playoff coach at 4 wins and 5 losses.
 

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So what do the other 9 NHL buildings with NBA teams do better than the Bruins? Why would the owners of the building who also own the Bruins (and not the Celtics) purposely make the ice worse? Let me guess, Jacobs is cheap angle? Goes well with Sweeney can’t draft in 2015 and Monty is a terrible playoff coach at 4 wins and 5 losses.
This is very silly. Players routinely complain about the ice at the garden and it's been an ongoing issue for a long time.
 

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Kinda under reported but a big problem is Marchand has 4 goals in his last 33 games. The depth guys have been fine but they kinda need him to be a 2nd weapon behind Pastrnak.
3 assists at least (all on pp but the still). Coyle with the 0-0-0 has to change.
 

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So what do the other 9 NHL buildings with NBA teams do better than the Bruins? Why would the owners of the building who also own the Bruins (and not the Celtics) purposely make the ice worse? Let me guess, Jacobs is cheap angle? Goes well with Sweeney can’t draft in 2015 and Monty is a terrible playoff coach at 4 wins and 5 losses.
The story I was told (by someone who manages the ice at a Hockey East arena) is that it has to do with the contract with the bull gang. Don’t understand how, but they literally can’t change any methods or types of equipment that they use on the ice, and there has been a lot of advancements in ice resurfacing.