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Robinson Cano suspended for steroids

Discussion in 'Radomski's Lounge' started by jon abbey, May 15, 2018.

  1. Philip Jeff Frye

    Philip Jeff Frye Member SoSH Member

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    A small fraction of what his cheating has presumably earned him over his career.
     
  2. johnmd20

    johnmd20 literally like ebola Lifetime Member Gold Supporter SoSH Member

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    His "cheating" process is very likely being utilized by a large number of professional athletes, who have happened to not have been caught.
     
  3. Philip Jeff Frye

    Philip Jeff Frye Member SoSH Member

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    No kidding. That makes it okay?

    I have some sympathy from guys from the 1990s who were taking these things when the owners were turning a blind eye and trainers were handing them out like candy in locker rooms, etc... PEDs were against the rules the way spit balls were against the rules. I have no sympathy for them today.
     
  4. bosockboy

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    Wonder if 80 games is enough to ruin his 3000 hit chances. 2417 now.
     
  5. Caspir

    Caspir Member SoSH Member

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    It's a lot easier when you still have more than $120m coming your way though!
     
  6. Bob Montgomery's Helmet Hat

    Bob Montgomery's Helmet Hat has big, douchey shoulders Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    I doubt it. Still has a very legit chance.
     
  7. Green Monster

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    I saw one report initially that said he did not have to wait to come off the DL to begin his suspension. I tried retracing my steps and I can't find that article so perhaps it has been updated. Has anyone else seen anything like that? If true, what is difference from Steven Wright who had to come off the DL before beginning his suspension??
     
  8. axx

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    I think it's specifically for PED busts that the time can be served while on suspension.
     
  9. Bob Montgomery's Helmet Hat

    Bob Montgomery's Helmet Hat has big, douchey shoulders Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Yes, and it's spelled out on the first page of this very thread
     
  10. Lose Remerswaal

    Lose Remerswaal Leaves after the 8th inning Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Not if he has to give up the juice . . .
     
  11. Marciano490

    Marciano490 Urological Expert SoSH Member

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    Exactly. I mean, Pedroia’s been bald since what age? They all use. Grown men believing their sports heroes are clean is the sweetest fairy tale.
     
  12. Scoops Bolling

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    Hold on, what does being bald have to do with it? I've known guys who started balding in freshman year of college who certainly weren't doping. Does Petey's family usually have a head full of hair, or what are we going on here?

    EDIT: The guys I knew on 'roids were always much more the football crowd so I don't know if I missed something obvious. I can't claim to know if the newer drugs have obvious signs I have missed, the way the older steroids were always so obvious in the (bizarrely watery/undefined) muscle mass
     
  13. glennhoffmania

    glennhoffmania but still failing Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    O'Brien just said he's also banned from the playoffs. Is that true? Why is that?
     
  14. Poulsonator

    Poulsonator Well-Known Member Gold Supporter SoSH Member

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    They usually are. Melky was when he was busted with the Giants in 2012, but likely a team decision.
     
  15. Harry Hooper

    Harry Hooper Well-Known Member Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Because that's the rule since 2014.

    Link

    Given the severity of a 2nd-time offense, Cano likely wouldn't dropping his appeal of the 1st-time offender punishment here unless he had virtually zero chance of success
     
    #65 Harry Hooper, May 15, 2018
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  16. SumnerH

    SumnerH Malt Liquor Picker Dope

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    AKA the Peyton Manning defense.
     
  17. Hank Scorpio

    Hank Scorpio Member SoSH Member

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    I was surprised when I saw what he tested positive for. Does it basically flush out your system to quickly remove traces of a more serious drug/supplement (HGH/Steroids/Andro/whatever)?
     
  18. mauidano

    mauidano Mai Tais for everyone! SoSH Member

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    Be careful with what you assume.
     
  19. Couperin47

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    Weirdly, the person who this gives me greater respect for is... Ortiz. No question he used, but he found someone who knew exactly what and how to cycle so he was never detected again. Evidently all Dominicans are not close so he never shared his 'expert'. Now understandable that he wouldn't tell Manny as that reckless whack job would inevitably have screwed it all up, but he had the intelligence and discipline to, as he would say, 'keep his fuckin mouth shut".
     
  20. Lose Remerswaal

    Lose Remerswaal Leaves after the 8th inning Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    You should print out this post and bring it with you if you get called for jury duty as evidence you should not be selected.
     
  21. Couperin47

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    Denial is not just a river in Egypt and almost no courts allow attorneys to serve on juries...other than that....
     
  22. Lose Remerswaal

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    I'm glad you won't be serving on juries.
     
  23. glennhoffmania

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    Eh not worth it.
     
  24. Flunky

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    Arod
    Cano
    Melky
    Cervelli
    Pettite

    wow... I wonder what the most roided up lineup since 2005 is. It's gotta be this one, right? 5 guys, no speculation. JFC...
     
  25. cromulence

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    This is such a stupid road for both fanbases to go down.
     
  26. Lose Remerswaal

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    The only way to win . . .
     
  27. drbretto

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    I've been balding as long as Pedroia (pretty much since around 20) and I don't take steroids. Your overall point is not wrong, but it's also not really necessarily right to assume/guess.
     
  28. shaggydog2000

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    Yes. It helps flush out your system, and also makes your sample itself more dilute.
     
  29. trekfan55

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    @Couperin47
    To assume that someone "no question he used" but then had the perfect masking agent/expert guy to flush it down is the ultimate "guilty until proven innocent" scenario. Regardless of who we root for we should never go there.

    I know we always poke fun at players and sometimes scream "roid rage" but this is too much assumption.
    I am not typing this to defend David Ortiz, I am really typing out of principle. The biggest danger in all of this is to assume "without question".
     
  30. Wingack

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    Pedroia's family has other problems.
     
  31. Marciano490

    Marciano490 Urological Expert SoSH Member

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    Well, I think Syndegard is juicing too, so it’s not really hair related.
     
  32. Plympton91

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    It sounds like there is at least some chance that Cano just screwed up by using a diuretic.

    If he was using, I don't think you need to jump to the conclusion that he has always been juicing. It's entirely possible that he felt himself declining over the past two years, and becoming more injury prone, and at some time over that period gave in to the temptation to try to extend his prime and "earn" his contract.

    But, ultimately, those who say it is naïve to assume that testing has largely stamped out juicers are correct. PEDs are likely somewhat less prevalent than they were in the wild west era, during which it seems Canseco's 70% estimate is probably closer to the truth than we'd like to admit, but I'm sure it remains prevalent nonetheless.
     
  33. Leskanic's_Thread

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    I'm bummed no one has answered "Because he's on the Mariners."
     
  34. Flunky

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    lest we forget...

    http://www.espn.com/espn/otl/story/...associate-was-client-biogenesis-documents-say
     
  35. Rough Carrigan

    Rough Carrigan reasons within Reason Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    The power Cano showed at the major league level was apparently a huge surprise after what he showed in the minors.
     
  36. mt8thsw9th

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    Not really true. He was projected to be a power hitter once he filled out a bit, and his only major concern as a prospect (and young hitter in the majors) was whether or not his lack of plate discipline would derail him as a hitter.

    His ISO jump from minors to majors was .147 to .189 (+.042), which is a decent bump, but not as marked as Mookie Betts, who went from .156 to .208 (+.052). Which is to say it's not an entirely uncommon occurrence among good hitters, and something people seem really quick to completely tie to steroids, not to adding bulk with age.

    I mean, offhand, here are some others: Hanley Ramirez (+.066), Miguel Cabrera (+.090), Didi (+.043), Aaron Judge (+.118!!!), Gary Sanchez (+.099), Mike Trout (+.087).
     
  37. Rough Carrigan

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    Yeah, "huge" was too strong.
     
  38. Seels

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    Naive to think that way. As if he'd willingly lose out on $11m because of technicalities.
     
  39. jon abbey

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    He tested positive in the offseason, so I think he was close to the end of the appeals process anyway.

    Also this is a pretty unique situation, Cano expects to be back sooner than 80 games from his injury so the quicker he can start playing again and maybe salvage his season a bit, the better, so preferable to get the suspension going ASAP despite the definite loss of the $11M (which was probably gone anyway). Just a guess...
     
  40. Lowrielicious

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    Straight from the horses mouth.

     
  41. Old Fart Tree

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    Very, very few are willing to Buster Douglas it: make the big money and then ‘who gives a fuck?’* If you sign a huge deal because juicing turned you from a 100 OPS guy who’s a nobody to a 125 OPS guy who’s an all star, it’s awful hard to a) stop juicing, b) go back to being a 100 (or worse, now that you’ve aged and adopted a hitting approach that requires a certain physical toolset you no longer possess) OPS guy, and c) just suffer the slings and arrows of a fan base that saw you get paid like a star but perform like a nobody and is rightfully pissed. Confirmation bias is real and most guys would find it harder to go legit than the corleone family.


    * not implying buster was using, just referencing his (imho respectable, if true) decision to check out once he’d earned his millions and not care if some sports radio caller screamed about him tarnishing his legacy
     
  42. SirPsychoSquints

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    I take this post as you thinking this was an innocent mistake. MLB needs more than just the diuretic test to suspend him, they need to convince an arbiter that there's other evidence to complement it.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2018/05/15/robinson-cano-ped-suspension/612791002/

    I think it is hard to conclude this was an innocent mistake. That doesn't necessarily mean he was using in the past, but to conclude he wasn't using recently... I don't get it.
     
  43. trs

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  44. Van Everyman

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    Here’s the rest of the relevant quote:

    As for how far back Cano was using, I remember thinking a little along the lines of Rough: that Cano appeared out of thin air at a time the team was stuck with Tony F’ing Womack at 2B. His emergence was a huge lift for the Yanks at a time when these teams‘ success was predicated on being stacked 1-9 with no easy outs.

    And while I’m hesitant to throw stones, it’s a pretty simple fact: that 2009 Yankees team was loaded with guys who have since been busted for PEDs: ARod, Melky, Montero (whose star fetched a frontline starter), and, now, Cano. To Cashman’s credit, he kept none of these guys around a second longer than he had to.
     
  45. bosox79

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    What legacy? He is and will always be known as the guy who beat Mike Tyson and nothing else.
     
  46. Old Fart Tree

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  47. jon abbey

    jon abbey Shanghai Warrior Dope SoSH Member

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    No, I was just answering the post before me.
     
  48. cromulence

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    Not so hesitant that you couldn't take a second to look up when Jesus Montero made his debut. Also, it seems like a stretch to assume he juiced his whole life because he tested positive for greenies in 2016, when his career was collapsing around him.

    Again, I'd really caution against spiking the football too much on this topic. Two can play this game.
     
  49. Van Everyman

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    Yes, that's right -- I had thought he showed up briefly on that team, I was off by more than a bit.

    But two can play at this game as well: before his greenies suspension in 2016, Montero was suspended 50 games for his involvement in Biogenesis in 2013.
     
  50. cromulence

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    Fair enough, I forgot about that one. I'm still not sure what the point is - Montero juiced his way to prospect status, so all the championships Michael Pineda won in NY don't count?

    Yes, it's clear that the A-Rod/Cano/Melky trio had a juicy corner of the clubhouse. I just think it's dangerous to start asterisking titles, if that's what you're trying to do.
     

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