RedOctober3829 said:So now does this open up a Cecchini trade to Oakland for Shark?
Lawrie could play 3B unless they prefer him at 2B
RedOctober3829 said:So now does this open up a Cecchini trade to Oakland for Shark?
When did they pick up Jesus?foulkehampshire said:Really going to dislike pitching to that Toronto lineup. Jesus. Donaldson, Encarnacion, Bautista. That's brutal
foulkehampshire said:Really going to dislike pitching to that Toronto lineup. Jesus. Donaldson, Encarnacion, Bautista. That's brutal
They must have read that Fangraphs article about loading up on Rs at Fenway!foulkehampshire said:Really going to dislike pitching to that Toronto lineup. Jesus. Donaldson, Encarnacion, Bautista. That's brutal
Nice 3b with 4 years of control.Tyrone Biggums said:Seems like a mediocre return for Donaldson. Lawrie is always injured.
The thought was that I'd rather the Sox had traded for Donaldson than sign Panda. It's a moot point, though.Rudy Pemberton said:Not sure the sox really need a 3b.
Donaldson. Not a FA until 2019 I believe.MakMan44 said:Which one you talking about?
Yup. Lawrie's actually a FA before him, I was pretty surprised. I thought they both had 4 years left.4-6-3 said:Donaldson. Not a FA until 2019 I believe.
Which puts them in a position to find a 3b. They may claim our former Juan Francisco.Hee Sox Choi said:Lawrie can play 2b, which is what the A's may have in mind.
Not even close. Cecchini, Marrero + SP prospect + lottery ticket maybe. Remember, they traded Addison Russell for him who is a top 5 prospect. He's going to want to recoup some of that loss but perhaps we can make up for it by sending 4 prospects?Green Monster said:Is Middlebrooks/Marrero enough for Smardzja?
I wouldn't doubt it. Then again are they really in rebuilding mode? Seems to me that they're going to retool more than anything else.soxhop411 said:@susanslusser: Josh Reddick says its clear to him and other #Athletics players that team is now in rebuilding mode.
So I assume Samardzija is on the market.
I'm skeptical Gray gets moved. Maybe if Beane wants to fully restock in two fell swoops, but he's also got Samardzija and Kazmir to deal, so he should be able to acquire some very good prospects without giving up a guy who could still be there as an ace when those prospects are MLB-ready.OptimusPapi said:So if the A's are in full rebuilding mode does that mean Grey would be on the block? On one hand a young cost controlled pitcher can get you a truck load. On the other hand If Beane feels the rebuild will only take two or three years then he might want to keep Grey around for his last couple arb years to anchor the staff.
True, but on the other hand, much of the value they're getting back is in an 18-yo SS and two young pitchers. It's a very A's deal; something for now, something for later.MakMan44 said:I think the A's players are just ticked off right now. Lawrie doesn't make much sense if they're really rebuilding.
Yup. Seems like a retooling trade more than anything else. I think a Garin/Rubby + trade works for Shark that reason.BarrettsHiddenBall said:True, but on the other hand, much of the value they're getting back is in an 18-yo SS and two young pitchers. It's a very A's deal; something for now, something for later.
Even without Donaldson, they've got an everyday core that could continue to produce at an above average level for 2015; but they'll have lost their best player by far (~8 bWAR in 2014, nobody else in the lineup put up half that) and would be counting on best-case scenarios for a lot of guys, most of whom slumped towards the finish in 2014.CaskNFappin said:Everytime it seems Beane is blowing it up, they seemingly kick ass the next season.
Sweet trade ... you got to love BB. The prospects all have significant up-ticks and he's got 3 players to keep feeding the team while still covering 3B. Nice, nice move.BarrettsHiddenBall said:True, but on the other hand, much of the value they're getting back is in an 18-yo SS and two young pitchers. It's a very A's deal; something for now, something for later.
Don't think I'd go that far. Donaldson is a weird one; didn't show up until 27 and promptly turned into an absolute stud. Maybe he loses it as fast as he figured it out, but he's been one of the top 3 position players in baseball over the past two years. Plus this is his first arb-year (4 total as a super-2), so they could easily afford him and then flip him next year with three years of control left when the arb awards get closer to market. I understand the arguments that WAR = WAR whether it's 1x8 or 4x2, but I still believe that being able to get 7 or 8 WAR out of one guy has a disproportionate benefit to the team. Even with an unusual career structure, you've got to receive a premium (or ideally an equally special player in a different position) for those guys to give them up, all the more so when they're still cheap.lxt said:Sweet trade ... you got to love BB. The prospects all have significant up-ticks and he's got 3 players to keep feeding the team while still covering 3B. Nice, nice move.
Can we give him Cespedes back for Samardzija?
Depends. He took a serious step towards acedom this season but yeah, the last couple seasons clearly are not that impressive.LynnRice75 said:What is the appeal of Samardzija? I don;t follow the National League much, so I am not aware of his perfromance with the Cubs.
Looking over his statistics, I don't see what the fuss is. WHere would he rank as a starter? A number 3 or 4 guy?
How many teams have 2 guys better than Samardzijas 2014 numbers? Let alone 3 guys.LynnRice75 said:What is the appeal of Samardzija? I don;t follow the National League much, so I am not aware of his perfromance with the Cubs.
Looking over his statistics, I don't see what the fuss is. WHere would he rank as a starter? A number 3 or 4 guy?
LynnRice75 said:What is the appeal of Samardzija? I don;t follow the National League much, so I am not aware of his perfromance with the Cubs.
Looking over his statistics, I don't see what the fuss is. WHere would he rank as a starter? A number 3 or 4 guy?
lxt said:Sweet trade ... you got to love BB. The prospects all have significant up-ticks and he's got 3 players to keep feeding the team while still covering 3B. Nice, nice move.
Can we give him Cespedes back for Samardzija?
Over the last 3 years a lot of his numbers are pretty similar to Lester and Hamels, he's a 1, maybe a 2 at worst.LynnRice75 said:What is the appeal of Samardzija? I don;t follow the National League much, so I am not aware of his perfromance with the Cubs.
Looking over his statistics, I don't see what the fuss is. WHere would he rank as a starter? A number 3 or 4 guy?
Bingo!!!Doctor G said:Isn't Beane more likely to be trying to move Kazmir based on the money.
Toe Nash said:Signing a fat 3 WAR guy for $20m AAV and then watching a top 3 player at his position get traded a week later to a division rival for a mediocre package looks pretty bad from the Sox' perspective. We'll never know what conversations they had with Oakland but it seems like the Sox had the assets to easily beat the Jays offer for this one.
Toe Nash said:Signing a fat 3 WAR guy for $20m AAV and then watching a top 3 player at his position get traded a week later to a division rival for a mediocre package looks pretty bad from the Sox' perspective. We'll never know what conversations they had with Oakland but it seems like the Sox had the assets to easily beat the Jays offer for this one.