The Sox only gave up money for Panda. I wouldn't like giving up Margot and Marrero for Donaldson which is the equitable return that the A's got for him. Plus two minor league pitchers that are major league ready. Nothing to get mad about here as while it wasn't the best deal in the world I wouldn't have been comfortable topping it.Toe Nash said:
Donaldson is obviously the more valuable commodity to Panda currently. Both are the same age and one is cost controlled while the other is not. You can make a case that both players will have career years in 2015 being away from pitcher friendly parks. But if people believe that the 2015 rotation will look like the 2014 rotation then I don't know what to say. I trust that BC will make a big trade for a quality top of the rotation arm.Minneapolis Millers said:
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He made some comments about the A's FO having more money than they let on, and I think that ruffled some feathers of the execs. Not sure if that's what you're talking aboutgrimshaw said:
I imagine if BC thought Donaldson was available he would have pursued that avenue as well as chasing Hanley & Panda. But at this point its a mute point because the deals are done. As you've said I imagine Donaldson became available as BB was discussing trades and Toronto was trying to work out a deal for him.MakMan44 said:
This. While clearly "available" for the right pieces, it doesn't appear Donaldson was actively being shopped. Toronto made an offer that Beane felt he couldn't say no on, and they made the deal. Hypothesizing about what we should have given up for him is pretty pointless, especially given that we have no idea of how Beane perceives the value of Lawrie, which may be the toughest piece for us to replicate.MakMan44 said:
If the cost for Donaldson was Margot, Marrero plus two of Johnson, Webster, Ranaudo, Barnes or Escobar I can't say yes fast enough. In my opinion, you'd have to be nuts to turn that down.Tyrone Biggums said:
I'm extremely high on Margot which probably is my rationale on not wanting to move him. If everything breaks right he could be a Devon White type player. The pitchers that we would have to supply would be the issue. Now you're down 4 prospects and have to sign Lester and Shields in free agency otherwise you're crushing the farm system. Or if you strike out on both now you're looking at trading Cespedes and Napoli for pitching and Nava/Craig as your 1st baseman which would be below average for a contender.Snodgrass said:
I'd say the same for the Sox, but there seems to be more of a plan on Yawkee Way than in the Skydome offices.Plympton91 said:
Why do you think there is more of a plan in Boston? I could buy an argument that the plan in Boston is more about sustained long term success but Toronto clearly has a plan here, and it looks like a pretty good one.67WasBest said:
I agree but to be fair that isn't the first time Porcello has been linked to Cespedes. Like the Ian Kennedy speculation too.mloyko54 said:
Toronto has a plan to compete in the short term, but it's hard to see it sustained. I believe the Sox have a plan that will sustain them for many years. I don't belittle what Toronto is doing, nor do I dismiss them as serious competitors, and I did not mean to suggest that, if that was inferred.Snodgrass'Muff said:
It's like people don't read ONE page back on the thread. Kieckeredinthehead researched & wrote this about Samardzija:SoxFanForsyth said:
Porcellos K rates are terrifying.ivanvamp said:
Except for the ones you have to give up to make your Shark trade realistic. Which means at least Swihart or Owens or Marrero in addition to the guys you listed. And maybe 2 of those 3.ivanvamp said:
I think it's because there is no way to know what to expect from Buchholz. If people knew he would be healthy and pitch like a No. 3 I think they'd be fine with adding two pitchers. But with Clay he could be great or he could be awful -- or hurt.OptimusPapi said:
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