jacklamabe65 said:
I'd rather sign Lester and trade for a RHP, as there's a glutton of southpaws in the upper minors.
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I'd rather sign Lester and trade for a RHP, as there's a glutton of southpaws in the upper minors.
Rob Bradford @bradfo 25s25 seconds ago
Source: Red Sox never engaged in Jason Heyward trade talks before OF was dealt to Cards http://fullcount.weei.com/sports/boston/baseball/red-sox/2014/11/17/source-red-sox-never-engaged-on-jason-heyward/ …
Source: Red Sox never engaged in Jason Heyward trade talks before OF was dealt to Cards http://fullcount.weei.com/sports/boston/baseball/red-sox/2014/11/17/source-red-sox-never-engaged-on-jason-heyward/ …
There is discussion on the trade in the MLB forum in a thread created specifically for that purpose.
http://sonsofsamhorn.net/topic/86666-braves-trade-jason-heyward-to-cardinals-for-shelby-miller/
http://sonsofsamhorn.net/topic/86666-braves-trade-jason-heyward-to-cardinals-for-shelby-miller/
A deal starting with Walker or Paxton might make more sense for Seattle if they want to win in 2015, but as they've been incredibly reticent to move any of their young pitchers for offensive help, sure, it would make a lot more sense to trade something form their pitching depth to get some offensive assistance.ArgentinaSOXfan said:
In another thread I'd suggested the viability of an Iwakuma for Cespedes + Craig deal, as Craig would be an ideal 1B/DH option for Seattle as a rebound candidate. Comparatively cheap, they have the money to spare because until Cano FAs haven't been taking their money, and Craig is a high BA, high OBP guy who hits line drives to all fields when right, not your usual middle of the lineup bat who sees a lot of HRs turn into loud fly outs in Seattle's stadium.
Call Atlanta while the phone is still hot. Is Justin Upton on the market (?) and I'd take a portion of BJUpton's contract to get him.. You cannot argue Upton's power numbers and the LF CF flexibility. Upton, Betts, Castillo OF all under age 27 sets you up for a good long time.
Plus if you talk BJUpton, maybe you can dump a Craig, Victorino contract by equaling out a fair money swap. Then, Cespedes becomes trade bait for SP or a LH Bat at 3b or 1B...
Possibilities are endless with an OF of the above..
Plus if you talk BJUpton, maybe you can dump a Craig, Victorino contract by equaling out a fair money swap. Then, Cespedes becomes trade bait for SP or a LH Bat at 3b or 1B...
Possibilities are endless with an OF of the above..
arzjake said:
What are you doing with BJ in this scenario? 4th/5th OF? That contract screws up a whole lot of things for a while. And I'm not even talking about the money really. I'm talking about locking up a roster spot with a guy you can't trade, can't send down, and can't justify giving regular playing time.
Unless you're getting back a rare and affordable talent, then taking on B.J. Upton's contract is a tremendously bad idea, from both cost and roster-management standpoints. And his brother isn't that rare (or cheap) a talent.
If Heyward had more than one year of team control, this would not have been the deal they made. Cardinals gambling they can extend him, which in their case is a decent gamble. They seem to have a good record of retaining guys of this caliber.opes said:
Huh! As a part-time Mariner fan (when they're not playing the Sox), I think Craig is a pretty good suggestion for the Ms. They certainly have nothing to lose and nobody blocking him from a comeback performance, if he has it in him.Drek717 said:
I'd up the ante to include Napoli to bring back a Walker or Paxton. Napoli is the power RH bat they're looking for, while Craig is more of a crapshoot and reminds me of their Justin Smoak scenario waiting to pan out. Sox can take a look at La Roche (LH bat) to replace Napoli.ArgentinaSOXfan said:
The sports talk around St. Louis at he deadline was that the Cards front office was split on Miller. It is entirely possible that those still advocating for him, when faced with a pressing need for immediate OF help in the wake of Taveras' death, have wavered following a lucky end of season and a very disappointing final start when he had a real shot against SF's weakest starter and instead couldn't make it through 4 innings.chrisfont9 said:
Heyward fills an immediate need. I'd expect them to see how he does and then pursue if they like how he fits. They've stepped up in the FA market when they felt it was needed, like when signing Holiday.
No chance the Mariners bite on one year of Napoli and one year of Cespedes for one of their future aces. No way.RochesterSamHorn said:
The dude is 23 and signed cheaply through like 29. There is literally no way that happens. Might as well see if we can get Freddie freeman for cheap. They traded an OF with one year left on his deal. If se trade cespedes should teams start calling us about bogaerts due to our "firesale"?Curll said:
Never happen. It's not a fire sale mode at all. The Braves however know that this roster as constructed isn't going anywhere and Heyward and Upton were free agents that were probably signing somewhere else. They also have lots of issues with pitching between the injuries and Santana as a free agent. Teheran is the one guy they would probably hold onto with a kung fu grip. I really like the prospects for the Braves moving on with John Hart in charge, smart evaluator with a track record.Curll said:
That being said this might be the right way to go concerning the 2nd starter in terms of getting a young cost controlled ace. Just be ready to pay out the nose for it.
Gammo on D&C:
-On Sandoval, Giants may not want to commit the years it will take to sign Panda since he may be a DH at the end of the contract. Said Pablo had dinner with Ortiz last night.
-On Heyward, Sox didn't want to give 2-3 pitchers up for one year of control. Heyward could be looking at a big payday as a 26 year old free agent because of his defense.
-Stated again Cubs feel Lester will sign with the Red Sox. Gammo thinks it's best for Lester camp to wait and see if Yanks get involved.
-Phillies are still asking for too much for Hamels, 2-3 top prospects. Price will likely come down at some point. Phils want to sign Tomas but need to clear money to do so.
-Sox were somewhat annoyed on Cespedes unwillingness to move to right field. Team will likely explore trade options of Yoenis for a pitcher, especially if they don't get Lester
-On Sandoval, Giants may not want to commit the years it will take to sign Panda since he may be a DH at the end of the contract. Said Pablo had dinner with Ortiz last night.
-On Heyward, Sox didn't want to give 2-3 pitchers up for one year of control. Heyward could be looking at a big payday as a 26 year old free agent because of his defense.
-Stated again Cubs feel Lester will sign with the Red Sox. Gammo thinks it's best for Lester camp to wait and see if Yanks get involved.
-Phillies are still asking for too much for Hamels, 2-3 top prospects. Price will likely come down at some point. Phils want to sign Tomas but need to clear money to do so.
-Sox were somewhat annoyed on Cespedes unwillingness to move to right field. Team will likely explore trade options of Yoenis for a pitcher, especially if they don't get Lester
If Lester signs for a lot more than Hamels, that just ups Hamels trade value even more. I don't see the Phillies moving Hamels before Lester or Scherzer sets the market. It doesn't help that teams are handing out really long FA contracts right now.
I'd like to see the Sox pounce on a #2 or #3 via trade or FA on the market first so they have something locked up.
I'd like to see the Sox pounce on a #2 or #3 via trade or FA on the market first so they have something locked up.
If Hamels' option is required (which it looks like it will be) Lester is a reasonable bet to get similar AAV for one more year. Given Lester's proven track record in Boston that isn't something you give up much of anything for.grimshaw said:
I think Hamels' value is only going to trend down. Cincy will likely explore offers for Leake, Latos, and Cueto, with preference to move them in that order. San Diego is shopping Kennedy, Cashner, and Ross rather openly. The Mets have some young arms and mid-rotation guys they're open to moving for offense. Oakland is willing to listen on both Samardzija and Kazmir. The list goes beyond that, but basically, between FAs and trade targets there are plenty of alternatives to Hamels that don't involve dealing with Ruben Amaro's crazy demands.
My bet personally is that the Sox sort out their pitching needs before Amaro reaches reality. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Amaro takes so damn long that the entire rest of the league sorts itself out and he finds himself without a willing trade partner at all short of him taking a comparatively bad deal.
Rudy Pemberton said:
Considering what Victorino's had done to his back — as of mid-season, he wasn't allowed to twist his torso — the odds are only decent that he ever plays another major league game. It would be GM malpractice if Ben were relying on Vic for anything at.
Tyrone Biggums said:
May seem ridiculous, but can't hurt to ask. The only reason I brought it up was (okay, reading comprehension needs work. I overlooked the "top 3 pitchers" part):
https://twitter.com/ZachKleinWSB/status/534398258848612352
Zach KleinVerified account@ZachKleinWSBMLB source - This is just the beginning. Only players safe are top-3 pitchers, Kimbrel, Freddie and Simmons"
In what world is Julio Teheran not clearly in their top 3 pitchers? I mean, I get that their new GM is looking to wheel and deal, but when the source you're citing specifically says he's on the "safe" list it doesn't make a lot of sense to speculate about his availability.Curll said:
May seem ridiculous, but can't hurt to ask. The only reason I brought it up was (okay, reading comprehension needs work. I overlooked the "top 3 pitchers" part):
https://twitter.com/ZachKleinWSB/status/534398258848612352
MLB source - This is just the beginning. Only players safe are top-3 pitchers, Kimbrel, Freddie and Simmons"
The Braves have extended a select handful of proven stars, Teheran is one of them along with Kimbrel, Freeman, and Simmons. They aren't moving that core as they move into a new stadium. They're looking to turn short term ML producers like Heyward and Upton into long term control of cheap players and freed up money. That extended core is full of young players, so a year or two of prospect development when they can still easily compete in the NL East followed by being flush with cash right when they move into their new stadium is a pretty nice recipe for them reclaiming the NL East for another long term run sometime in 2016 or 2017.
But that only leaves their tradeable assets as:
Justin Upton - 1 year rental
Gattis
Unless they are not considering Mike Minor a top three pitcher. (Wood, Miller, Teheran?)
They need a left handed 3B and a corner OF.
If I were the Red Sox, I would inquire on Minor and Gattis.
Justin Upton - 1 year rental
Gattis
Unless they are not considering Mike Minor a top three pitcher. (Wood, Miller, Teheran?)
They need a left handed 3B and a corner OF.
If I were the Red Sox, I would inquire on Minor and Gattis.
I like Gattis, but where does he fit? LF/Backup C/1B/DH? Upton would be more appealing, but then there's still too many OF on the roster. Not sure if getting Upton would increase or decrease Cespedes' trade value. Takes another OF off the trade block, but essentially forces the Sox to trade Cespedes.
Minor would be a nice snag. Hell, Brandon Beachy could be a nice recovery project.
Minor would be a nice snag. Hell, Brandon Beachy could be a nice recovery project.
Is there anything more hilarious than the Phillies upping their investment at 1B another hundred million? I hope we don't do any deals for Hamels. Amaro wants someone to save his shitty roster from him, and it shouldn't be us.TOleary25 said:
What's Kennedy's stuff like? His ERA+ hasn't been above 100 since 2012 (101) and only his 2011 season ranks as above average. If there's something to like about him, it's not showing up in the numbers (FWIW).
McAdam on High Heat with Russo today got rather chatty and illuminating
Russo - Will the Red Sox go all out for Sandoval and give him the extra year ?
McAdam - They value him a lot left handed and projects nicely defensively and middle of the order bat. Support Ortiz
Russo What is the level of desire for the Red Sox to erase the basement
McAdam- Red Sox realize boston market has changed and they can't throw open ticket window and they need to spend and make moves to be relevant and competitive
McAdam - Other target is Lester who is the guy they want and it's a question if they are going to be competitive with the market. Lowballing hurt in ST.
Bidding war for Sandoval ?
McAdam- I believe so . This is a team that could probably add almost 60 mill which would enable them to afford both Lester and Sandoval
Russo - Will the Red Sox go all out for Sandoval and give him the extra year ?
McAdam - They value him a lot left handed and projects nicely defensively and middle of the order bat. Support Ortiz
Russo What is the level of desire for the Red Sox to erase the basement
McAdam- Red Sox realize boston market has changed and they can't throw open ticket window and they need to spend and make moves to be relevant and competitive
McAdam - Other target is Lester who is the guy they want and it's a question if they are going to be competitive with the market. Lowballing hurt in ST.
Bidding war for Sandoval ?
McAdam- I believe so . This is a team that could probably add almost 60 mill which would enable them to afford both Lester and Sandoval
and most of Scherzer, right? Adding $60M gives them PLENTY for both Lester ($23-24) and Sandoval ($17-18) with close to $20M for another stud like Scherzer.jimbobim said:
More likely it would get them some bullpen help, a decent backup catcher, a mid-tier SP, and some money left over for a mid-season move.Yaz4Ever said:
ehaz said:
Considering they couldn't get a deal done with the Cubs, who have at least three higher-upside MI options than Marrero (Castro, Russell, Baez), I'd say probably not at this point. Although I guess we don't know what happened in those negotiations.
Jim Bowden: Ben Cherington is banging the phones determined to upgrade the pitching staff. In addition to talking to Lester, he's been definitely talking to the Phillies about Cole Hamels and to San Diego about Tyson Ross and Andrew Cashner. They also are in on Hanley Ramirez if they don't get Sandoval. Blue Jays, Mariners are others in on him. He says Ben wants at least two top starters.
ehaz said:
why would they even want cecchini? aj cole, taylor jordan, and lucas giolito are all probably much better long term options than brian johnson. they would probably want a more solid mi prospect and there are other teams more suited for that. they dont really seem like a good match for what we have.
San Diego needs help everywhere on offense and don't even have much in the minors. They aren't going to be ready for a few years so lower level guys could be acceptable for them.. Especially OF and 1B.
I'd consider Margot for Ross. Cecchini could fit too since no one hits for power there. Even Travis Show is probably better than what they have at 1B.
I'd consider Margot for Ross. Cecchini could fit too since no one hits for power there. Even Travis Show is probably better than what they have at 1B.
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