Realignment 2023: Whither the Pac12?

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Rentschelar stadium was fine when uconn was in a conference and we’re packing the house against Big East football rivals.
this is evidence of UConn needing a power conference much more than a power conference needing UConn. Cincinnati got dealt the same hand as UConn when the Big East became the American.

I do think you’re right that even if UConn gets into the Big 12 or ACC today, they’re going to be right back in the same position when the next round of consolidation comes.
 

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Since 2000, they have had 6 seasons of .500+ ball. 9 seasons they have won 3 or less games. They (along with UMASS) may be the worst D1 football program in the country.
Yes when edsall part 1 ended they made horrible hires and it cost them dearly. Jim Mora did a fantastic job turning it around last year and we should better in year 2.
The timing of the bad hires killed us, but the athletic department as a whole is great both men’s and women’s and in a variety of sports. But unfortunately everything with realignment has been predicated on a sport where only 5-10 teams will ever win it all.
 

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Yes when edsall part 1 ended they made horrible hires and it cost them dearly. Jim Mora did a fantastic job turning it around last year and we should better in year 2.
The timing of the bad hires killed us, but the athletic department as a whole is great both men’s and women’s and in a variety of sports. But unfortunately everything with realignment has been predicated on a sport where only 5-10 teams will ever win it all.
They should have never believed basketball success would lead to football success. It's not realignment. They literally have been a bottom 5 program since 2000.
 

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UConn is basically BU with a different premier sport (basketball instead of hockey), but in a semi-rural setting instead of an urban one.
They should have went BU in terms of football strategy.
BU also a has a capable management for the Olympic sports playing in the Patriot League. (Altjough it’s clearly not the Big East)
 

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They should have never believed basketball success would lead to football success. It's not realignment. They literally have been a bottom 5 program since 2000.
Yeah again they had football success from 2004-2011. Sellouts, actually rankings in top 25, went to notre dame and won.
It’s all about coaching and they finally have a good one for the first time since edsall left.
 

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Yeah again they had football success from 2004-2011. Sellouts, actually rankings in top 25, went to notre dame and won.
It’s all about coaching and they finally have a good one for the first time since edsall left.
3 losing seasons in those 8 years, zero 10 wins seasons, and the best Bowl victory was what, Papa Johns? #team @PC Drunken Friar
 

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UConn is basically BU with a different premier sport (basketball instead of hockey), but in a semi-rural setting instead of an urban one.
They should have went BU in terms of football strategy.
BU also a has a capable management for the Olympic sports playing in the Patriot League. (Altjough it’s clearly not the Big East)
It’s better to have one premier sport than no premier sport I guess.

That they had success? They suck. Admit it.
They’ve certainly sucked the last 10 ish years overall. There was a bcs bowl game in there in 2011. It’s unraveled pretty quickly after that.
 

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UConn is basically BU with a different premier sport (basketball instead of hockey), but in a semi-rural setting instead of an urban one.
They should have went BU in terms of football strategy.
BU also a has a capable management for the Olympic sports playing in the Patriot League. (Altjough it’s clearly not the Big East)
UConn is a blue blood basketball program for men and women. BC is irrelevant in anything anyone knows (college hockey is unknown next everywhere outside Massachusetts).
 

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BC is irrelevant in anything anyone knows (college hockey is unknown next everywhere outside Massachusetts).
Completely untrue

State College isn’t too far from you, you should go to a hockey game there and see.

(or an Allentown regional)
 

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I cannot remember a time in my life when I have been less interested in college football than going into this 2023-2023 season. The obscene coach salaries, the portal, the NILs, the nonsensical realignments... It's becoming more and more difficult to be a fan of this sport--at the both the college and pro levels.

That said, I am romantic at root, and will likely be suckered back into the narrative at some point. *sigh*
 

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I cannot remember a time in my life when I have been less interested in college football than going into this 2023-2023 season. The obscene coach salaries, the portal, the NILs, the nonsensical realignments... It's becoming more and more difficult to be a fan of this sport--at the both the college and pro levels.

That said, I am romantic at root, and will likely be suckered back into the narrative at some point. *sigh*
I'll put my money on "when Tulane has a first half lead on Ole Miss in Week 2."
 

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Fresno St. is right there with Boise. A little less football sucess overall, (though more lately), and maybe a bit better over the years in other sports like basketball, softball and baseball.

Fresno had no chance to get into the PAC 12. It was never going to happen. Now that the PAC 12 got blowed up, I think the best case scenario is that the MWC gets stronger by adding whatever PAC 12 remnants that can't find a new home. It is what it is.
 

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With the Pac 12 dead the Big 12 has a huge opportunity to keep expanding west if it wants to: Boise St. , Oregon St., Washington St., SDSU, hell UNLV for the market. I don't know what any of those schools do for the economics but I'd guess any of them would jump at a partial revenue share.

Edit: forgot about Fresno St...
 

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Some momentum building for Stanford, Cal, SMU to ACC - with Stanford/Cal taking 60-70% revenue.
The rumors are that it's only Football and Basketball though. I still don't see the point of the ACC taking them, even at a reduced share. How much is ESPN really going to pay to air 10 PM ET games?
 

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The rumors are that it's only Football and Basketball though. I still don't see the point of the ACC taking them, even at a reduced share. How much is ESPN really going to pay to air 10 PM ET games?
Those are prime time in SF and 9pm in Dallas
Big markets

there’s a point for taking Stanford for the Olympic sports

I can also dream of BC adding water polo and haveStanford visit for tournaments with MIT and Harvard
 

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Those are prime time in SF and 9pm in Dallas
Big markets

there’s a point for taking Stanford for the Olympic sports

I can also dream of BC adding water polo and haveStanford visit for tournaments with MIT and Harvard
SF isn't a college sports market and SMU is a non-factor in Dallas. The adding cable box era is over. This is about brands and eyeballs. The ACC is playing checkers while others are playing chess. The schools are desperate and the ACC is clueless. Seems like a great partnership.

edit: Not as clueless as the PAC12, so they've got that going for them... which is nice!
 

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Those are prime time in SF and 9pm in Dallas
Big markets

there’s a point for taking Stanford for the Olympic sports

I can also dream of BC adding water polo and haveStanford visit for tournaments with MIT and Harvard
SMU is irrelevant in Dallas. They might get 10,000 viewers a game on TV, maybe.
 

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If it got extended to the rest of the sports, I imagine it would be a net negative. Just from travel costs.
 

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SMU is irrelevant in Dallas. They might get 10,000 viewers a game on TV, maybe.
SMU BC perhaps

SMU Clemson or SMU FSU would get a ton more

SmU isirrelevant because they’re in a crappy conference. If they’re in a top4 conference and somewhat successful they’d be relevant

They were relevant when they had Dickerson in the 80’s, no?
 

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SMU BC perhaps

SMU Clemson or SMU FSU would get a ton more

SmU isirrelevant because they’re in a crappy conference. If they’re in a top4 conference and somewhat successful they’d be relevant

They were relevant when they had Dickerson in the 80’s, no?
Not really, even compared to even middling TCU down the road
 

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SMU BC perhaps

SMU Clemson or SMU FSU would get a ton more

SmU isirrelevant because they’re in a crappy conference. If they’re in a top4 conference and somewhat successful they’d be relevant

They were relevant when they had Dickerson in the 80’s, no?
It made for a great book . If you haven't, read it.

Those games you list aren't playing alone...There are at least 5 other TV slot matchup that will beat SMU in the Dallas metro.

If they had value they wouldn't be giving themselves away for free.
 

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SMU BC perhaps

SMU Clemson or SMU FSU would get a ton more

SmU isirrelevant because they’re in a crappy conference. If they’re in a top4 conference and somewhat successful they’d be relevant

They were relevant when they had Dickerson in the 80’s, no?
SMU football never recovered from the NCAA’s shutdown of the program in the mid-80s. Most of the DFW area’s current residents have no memory of SMU football being relevant. Moving to a major conference wouldn’t change that. Having some success in that major conference would, but that’s much easier said than done. I don’t see a major conference giving SMU a slice of their pie in hopes they can pull that off.
 

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The reason SMU is even being considered is that they’ve said they’re willing to forego a slice of the pie for like seven years to get into the ACC.

I sort of get why the Pac 12 was interested as they had a time zone problem. I don’t totally get what SMU gives to the ACC beyond a foothold in Texas and DFW, even if they are playing for free. I wonder if ESPN is encouraging this for some reason. They’ve invested quite a bit in the area.

I’m higher on the program though than many here in this thread. They’ve made a lot of strides in the last decade and getting on even footing in terms of a conference with TCU would remove their biggest hindrance.
 

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SMU football never recovered from the NCAA’s shutdown of the program in the mid-80s. Most of the DFW area’s current residents have no memory of SMU football being relevant. Moving to a major conference wouldn’t change that. Having some success in that major conference would, but that’s much easier said than done. I don’t see a major conference giving SMU a slice of their pie in hopes they can pull that off.
The 30 for 30 doc about this era is outstanding. Highly recommend. The Southwest Conference is about as Texas as it gets.
 

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The 30 for 30 doc about this era is outstanding. Highly recommend. The Southwest Conference is about as Texas as it gets.
Loved the bit about Dickerson getting the car from Texas A&M (The Trans A&M) and then the school being unable to do anything about it when he bolted for SMU. And the look of amused silence when the interviewer asked him "If A&M gave you a Trans AM, what did SMU give you?"
 

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Loved the bit about Dickerson getting the car from Texas A&M (The Trans A&M) and then the school being unable to do anything about it when he bolted for SMU. And the look of amused silence when the interviewer asked him "If A&M gave you a Trans AM, what did SMU give you?"
I thought the best part was towards the beginning in the context-setting portion of the program. Like, this really was just a Dallas-centric circle jerk, with all these big egos trying to one-up each other. It all makes a lot of sense when you think about it that way.
 

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this stan and cal to the acc is to make sure espn has 2 major conf because i couild see the big 12 going to just fox in 3-5 years
 

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they better be happy i dont run college football
i would tell ND join a conf in football or u cant go to a playoff or a jan 1 bowl game and u cant be ranked higher than 21
 

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As an alum of an ACC school... sure, why not? Conference realignment is all so impossibly ridiculous and dumb anyway, might as well join the club of stupid.
 

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As an alum of an ACC school... sure, why not? Conference realignment is all so impossibly ridiculous and dumb anyway, might as well join the club of stupid.
Yeah, Stanford and Cal are good schools with nice campuses. SMU…meh.
 

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As a Syracuse fan who knows that my school, isn't exactly a hot commodity here, I'm all for protecting the ACC at all costs. I applaud this move.

For one, in the short term, it provides a bit more annual revenue to the schools. And in the long term, it protects the ESPN media deal which, while not as big as the B1G or SEC, is still the 3rd biggest out there, and much bigger than what the networks appear to be offering in 2023. The existing deal, running through 2036, says that if the conference drops below 15 teams, ESPN has the right to renegotiate. We now are at 18 with exactly 3 malcontents (FSU, Clemson, and UNC) likely looking to try to leave soon.

Good day for the ACC given the current whackadoo alignment place we are in.
 

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Yeah, Stanford and Cal are good schools with nice campuses. SMU…meh.
I suspect SMU was largely to keep a block of 15 together. ESPN can renegotiate their TV deal if the conference falls below 15. I assume they think FSU, Clemson and UNC leaving is likely.
 

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The dream of eventually bringing Water Polo and Beach Volleyball to BC is real
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I suspect SMU was largely to keep a block of 15 together. ESPN can renegotiate their TV deal if the conference falls below 15. I assume they think FSU, Clemson and UNC leaving is likely.
Yeah, hard to get excited about this when you know that those 3 are leaving once it becomes financially viable to do so.
 

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As an alum of an ACC school... sure, why not? Conference realignment is all so impossibly ridiculous and dumb anyway, might as well join the club of stupid.
The travel costs alone are going to eat up whatever additional revenue the existing ACC schools will get and then some. The only upside is that it makes it much more difficult for schools to leave before the GOR expires.
 

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The ACC adding three schools that suck in the main sports, have little to no fan base and are entirely across the country from the rest fits. This all is so dumb (not what the ACC is doing, but what the boat race has become).

I guess UNC is looking for a way out since their board voted against it.
 
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The race is on between the Big Ten and SEC for Clemson and FSU.
I think UNC is going to be the one they both might want most.

From the SEC's perspective, their expansion efforts have been really methodical. Add major public universities adjacent to the current footprint: South Carolina and Arkansas in 1991; Missouri and TAMU in 2012; Texas and Oklahoma in 2024.

Clemson and Florida State are already within the current footprint. Not saying that won't happen, but it would be a departure from the pattern. The schools not in the Big 10 that could expand the footprint are UNC+UVA to the northeast, Miami to the southeast, Kansas to the northwest, Texas Tech to the west. Of those, UNC seems like the best get by far with UVA and Miami being interesting options. Notre Dame to the north is the real wild card.
 
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As a Wake Forest fan, I’m taking this as good news. Anything that keeps the ACC together longer is helpful, since once the conference busts apart, the Big Ten and SEC arent going to be saving seats for the Demon Deacons.

Here’s a great dumb idea I just came up with: Vanderbilt, Wake, Northwestern and Georgia Tech should join the Ivies and deemphasize football while keeping all their other sports solidly D1.