Realignment 2023: Whither the Pac12?

[Humphrey]

Delaware to FBS...Conference USA.

 

[Dan Murfman]

Florida State really wants out. They’re suing the ACC over GOR and exit fees. They estimate it would cost them 572 million to leave the ACC.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/39167937/florida-state-sue-acc-grant-rights-withdrawal-fee

 

[bsj]

Florida State really wants out. They’re suing the ACC over GOR and exit fees. They estimate it would cost them 572 million to leave the ACC.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/39167937/florida-state-sue-acc-grant-rights-withdrawal-fee

This is a waste of time and a show.

 

[Ale Xander]

Team should pretend to play in the bowl game, show up to practice. But then just not play.

 

[mauf]

This is a waste of time and a show.

Why do you say that?

In general, where a contract stipulates a specific dollar amount as the penalty for breaching a contract, that provision is only enforceable if the dollar amount is a reasonable estimate (at the time the contract is made) of damages that would be difficult to calculate with certainty. I’ll buy that the ACC’s damages from FSU’s departure would be difficult to compute with certainty, but it’s not self-evident to me that the nine-figure exit fee is a reasonable estimate of those damages; it feels more like a punitive amount designed to deter breach. In most jurisdictions, that’s void as against public policy.

So FSU’s lawsuit doesn’t strike me as obviously meritless, but I don’t know much about the particulars.

 

[steeplechase3k]

The orphans of the PAC-X, Oregon State and Washington State, are joining the WCC for two years in pretty much everything other than football.

https://wccsports.com/news/2023/12/22/general-west-coast-conference-adds-oregon-state-and-washington-state-as-affiliate-members.aspx

The WCC extended invitations to OSU and WSU in 12 sports, with both institutions set to compete as affiliate members in men’s basketball, women’s basketball, women’s soccer, volleyball, men’s golf, women’s golf, women’s cross country and women’s rowing. Oregon State will also participate in the Conference in men’s soccer and softball, and Washington State will also compete in the WCC in women’s tennis and men’s cross country.

 

[SemperFidelisSox]

I think this ends with Florida State in the B1G, and Clemson & North Carolina in the SEC.

 

[Ale Xander]

Rutgers, UCLA/USC, and FSU all in the same conference

Jet fuel supplier’s dream scenario

 

[Awesome Fossum]

The orphans of the PAC-X, Oregon State and Washington State, are joining the WCC for two years in pretty much everything other than football.

https://wccsports.com/news/2023/12/22/general-west-coast-conference-adds-oregon-state-and-washington-state-as-affiliate-members.aspx

Looking at what's still homeless, WSU says:

WSU continues to work diligently to finalize the right competitive opportunities for the sports of men's and women's track and field, swimming and baseball.

https://wsucougars.com/news/2023/12/22/wsu-athletics-ten-wsu-programs-join-west-coast-conference-as-affiliate-members.aspx

While Oregon State says:

Gymnastics, wrestling, indoor/outdoor track & field and men's rowing will continue competing as members of the Pac-12 Conference.

Department leaders are in continued exploration of opportunities for the baseball program and an announcement will be made when there is more information to share.

https://osubeavers.com/news/2023/12/22/general-oregon-state-athletics-enters-affiliation-with-west-coast-conference

I'm guessing "continue competing as members of the Pac-12 Conference" is code for independent, effectively?

Curious what the plan is for the baseball programs, since the WCC does in fact have the sport. Maybe they're thinking Big West would a better schedule?

 

[Humphrey]

Looking at what's still homeless, WSU says:



https://wsucougars.com/news/2023/12/22/wsu-athletics-ten-wsu-programs-join-west-coast-conference-as-affiliate-members.aspx

While Oregon State says:



https://osubeavers.com/news/2023/12/22/general-oregon-state-athletics-enters-affiliation-with-west-coast-conference

I'm guessing "continue competing as members of the Pac-12 Conference" is code for independent, effectively?

Curious what the plan is for the baseball programs, since the WCC does in fact have the sport. Maybe they're thinking Big West would a better schedule?

Why not the ACC in baseball- a couple southern swings covers most of the schools? Those baseball programs that have to go to the West Coast every year or two for Stanford & Cal can make another stop.

Unless something's changed, OSU plays baseball on a very high level.

 

[PC Drunken Friar]

Is there any real threat to all this consolidation leading to the death of many non-revenue sports at the schools that are left behind?

 

[Ale Xander]

Many no, some possibly
Thinking wrestling and men’s cross country and swimming