Post Game Thread: Wk1 at Miami
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Out scored 23-0 in the second half. Not only couldn't the offensive line pass protect, they couldn't open a hole for a running back to save their lives. Brady is going to look like Jim Plunkett half way through the season if this doesn't get fixed. I had to laugh at the calls against Jones and Mayo as they hit Tanehill. "Driving the QB to the ground with force?" Laughable. This is still football, right? Perhaps they are supposed to let him to the ground, gently.
Was the humidity any factor? A sieve for an offensive line was the only factor I saw. This is going to be a long fucking season if that problem doesn't get fixed.
That being said, I am already looking forward to payback in Foxborough in December.
Was the humidity any factor? A sieve for an offensive line was the only factor I saw. This is going to be a long fucking season if that problem doesn't get fixed.
That being said, I am already looking forward to payback in Foxborough in December.
The score is never about one play, but emotionally Lafell's OPI in the fourth was a killer. Without it the Pats had a first down at the Miami 25 down 3. Instead they had a third andSeels said:
long from the 50 and ended up punting.
I was listening on radio, were the roughing the passer calls as BS/ticky-tacky as Zo, the homer, made them appear? Or were they legit?
He's was a terrible player in Carolina and likely will be here. It will be very disappointing if he is getting playing time latter this year given the draft capital spent on wide receivers. Hopefully Dobson didn't have a setback.crystalline said:
And why is Brandon LaFell on this team? Jesus god he is useless.
I am trying hard to think that this is Buffalo 31 New England 0; but this isn't 2003 and I don't know if the talent is there anymore. Maybe, but I it know.
I am trying hard to think that this is Buffalo 31 New England 0; but this isn't 2003 and I don't know if the talent is there anymore. Maybe, but I it know.
It looked like the gameplan on offense was to spread out the defense. Throughout the game I saw lots of empty sets with Vereen lined up wide. This tells me the team knew they needed quick throws. They knew the OL was going to be a problem. For the most part either nobody got open or Brady didn't have time. When Brady finally got time he missed his targets. If the OL gets shored up most of the problems will be fixed. Defenses won't be able to jump short routes or flood the middle of the field. In the OL thread I wrote that the young guys need to get better soon because the vets looked awful.
You're totally right. Looking back on it without the lens of having just sat through the game, and also considering his 'rushing' stats as I look back at the box score, I'd say he performed about as well as one could given the passes Brady was throwing and the lack of a running game.twibnotes said:
I don't know. Tom missed an open Edelman and threw at several covered receivers during the game . Now it's true that the line sucked and probably true that his receivers just were not open. And the running game was hardly existent.Stitch01 said:
But Tom contributed to the result in my book. As I said above, if he hits Edelman near the end, the result may well have been different in that the Pats would have been in FG range down 3 and very well might have scored at TD there.
RedOctober3829 said:
Did Saliga play? Miami ran for almost 200 yards. Some of that was poor tackling but a lot was bad DL and LB play.
bankshot1 said:
Replay didn't have a good angle on the first one by Jones, but it appeared quite possible that Jones karate-chopped Tannehill in the neck.
Jones' second infraction seemed like a clear-cut helmet to the QB's facemask = legit call.
dcmissle said:
Yup not an excuse but Brady is 6-7 I believe in his last 13. Miami is always tough. Hey remember when they looked like dog poop against the Bills in game 1 before pulling out a come back?
Season is long, despite some comments on the game thread I think very, very few thought Pats were going undefeated for the season nor in the division.
I'm stepping away from the ledge and moving onto Minnesota. Dome + Cassel = victory #1.
Make or break time for Cannon. He was consistently awful today, both in pass and run blocking, and now is the time for him to show the organization that he can be a starter for them, but today he showed nothing.
I didn't follow his play very closely, but I didn't really see anything wrong with Wilfork. I thought there were plenty of times where the center of the line was pushed backwards, and Moreno had to take it back outside. What frustrated me with the run defense wasn't necessarily because of these huge holes for Moreno to run through, but the inability to tackle Moreno for losses on plays that appeared to be going nowhere.
I didn't follow his play very closely, but I didn't really see anything wrong with Wilfork. I thought there were plenty of times where the center of the line was pushed backwards, and Moreno had to take it back outside. What frustrated me with the run defense wasn't necessarily because of these huge holes for Moreno to run through, but the inability to tackle Moreno for losses on plays that appeared to be going nowhere.
Smiling Joe Hesketh said:
Vereen definitely played well. Absent more tape, he may stand alone, though
SSf, This is way more worrisome than the opener last year. That team was missing guys and still outplayed Buffalo a lot outside of a couple of dumb turnovers. Today a close to healthy team got destroyed in all three phases. I was certain the 2012 team was good at 1-2 and pretty confident last years team was still going to be the division winner and figure stuff out. I can't say that right now, certainly won't be betting on them beating the Vikings next week.
Which is kind of an issue for lengthy defenders who come in with arms raised to bat down the ball. I think he just has to put his head down and drive into the QB insteadDollar said:
Oh wait, that's illegal, too.
I guess maybe he should cuddle him and lead him gently to the ground.
You know, I get there are legal ways left to tackle the QB, but today was a good demonstration of how difficult it's become. God forbid you "tackle someone with force," as the call went.
I think Miami is a good team. Moreno isn't a Mile High mirage, Wallace is legit, Tannehill may have graduated to good enough, and it's a talented front four and overall defense. I think at midseason this loss will look much less embarassing in context. They're going to knock some teams around down there.
That said, this squad is short 1 coverage linebacker and possibly an offensive line. My greatest fear at this moment is that Belichick's deal wasn't with the Devil, but with Dante.
That said, this squad is short 1 coverage linebacker and possibly an offensive line. My greatest fear at this moment is that Belichick's deal wasn't with the Devil, but with Dante.
Getting beat badly inside on both lines (and outside on both as well) was horrible to watch...felt like the Ravens playoff loss, only this time the competition wasn't as accomplished. Hard not to be a little worried about that, because while both units probably need more reps they are healthy right now.
I agree with the comment I think by DOTB, that the lack of a downfield threat really hurts them against teams who get pressure out of the base defense...if those safeties can push up and take away the mid range, it's just tough for them to get going. Today the problem deep was Brady's arm moreso than the receivers (who were, of course, awful too). So, we'll see...these guys always have a lot of adjustments and I'm sure they are working on all of the ugliness we saw.
I agree with the comment I think by DOTB, that the lack of a downfield threat really hurts them against teams who get pressure out of the base defense...if those safeties can push up and take away the mid range, it's just tough for them to get going. Today the problem deep was Brady's arm moreso than the receivers (who were, of course, awful too). So, we'll see...these guys always have a lot of adjustments and I'm sure they are working on all of the ugliness we saw.
Harry Hooper said:
I couldn't hear the call because I was watching the game at a bar but it looked to me like the one Chandler Jones got was helmet-to-helmet.
This performance was so bad that for me the blame has to fall primarily on the coaching staff. In no phase of the game were the Patriots ready to play this one.
Even the stupid dicking around with long snappers seemed to burn them.
Even the stupid dicking around with long snappers seemed to burn them.
I also hate to shit on McDaniel, but his play calling was really uninspired today. Maybe he couldn't do much because just rushing 4 disrupted everything, but by the end of the 3rd quarter, there seemed to be a lot of Bradey 3 step drop and throw to receiver over the middle, or the classic RB wheel route. I expected to see some attempt at misdirection to keep the defense guessing, but it seemed like the defense knew they could rush 4 and get to Brady, or rush 5 and take the easy sack. The personnel may suck, but I feel that McDaniel needs to be able to design some plays that mask the weaknesses a bit.
To quote the great Taylor Swift, Shake It Off.
What surprised me was that the Dolphins defense was on the field the ENTIRE first half yet they went to the next level in the 2nd half- as if they were fresh and rested. Peter King would call that 'weird.'
What surprised me was that the Dolphins defense was on the field the ENTIRE first half yet they went to the next level in the 2nd half- as if they were fresh and rested. Peter King would call that 'weird.'
thank you.Dollar said:
and hopefully that is momentary frustration rather than an inkling of some deep-seated 2009 kind of crap.
I thought both Ridley and Vereen looked good today. They both ran hard, hit the hole (when it was there), and created a lot of missed tackles when out in space. I thought that 10 yard run in the 2nd quarter (can't recall exactly who it was) was a back-breaker at the time. In the 2nd half, the Miami d-line penetration was ridiculous. Can't put that on the HB.
In case Hightower didn't hear it yet from his coaches, his job is to seal the edge, stuff the run, and not rough the passer the only time he gets to the QB. Pisses me off that the coaches never told him that, poor guy. No wonder he looked terrible.
Hightower should absolutely STFU but that one roughing the QB penalty he got was terrible. All he did was tackle Tannehill about .5 seconds after he got rid of the ball. The Jones roughing penalties were legit as they were both clear hit to head but the Hightower one was a very weak call, something that could be called on virtually every QB sack.