Pitching Targets
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You know, at some point, when every pitcher the Red Sox bring in from elsewhere or up from Pawtucket underperforms, you have to start wondering if the problem isn't the pitchers they're bringing in.
I'm beginning to believe the Sox won't move Clay. Even if DD has to eat some money to bring in a good prospect I mean you have to do it at this point. He's wasting a roster spot and there is no way the team will exercise the option next year.
Bowden on mlb radio is still driving the Sale to Boston bus. Benintendi, Kopech, Devers, and a throw in for Sale. Still thinks the White Sox will have a fire sale.
Clay will get moved by the 8/31 deadline.
There's no pressing need to trade him before Kimbrel returns, because at his salary/performance ratio he'll clear waivers in a heartbeat.
And if he doesn't clear waivers, is there really a downside to just letting him go to the team that wins the claim? Money off the books is money off the books, after all.
Plus, depending on who claims him, the Sox offense may get a chance to bat against him!
Any way the White Sox would accept Pomeranz in a deal for Sale? Maybe Pomeranz Devers Kopech and two other prospects? Some type of deal to keep AB or Moncada out of a deal.
Just a guess, but they'd take ERod before they'd take Pomeranz. I suppose they might take Pomeranz if it meant they would get a Benintendi.
Not going to happen. There is ZERO chance that Sale gets traded to Boston this season without at least one of Benintendi or Moncada going in return. The White Sox have no reason to come down on their asking price. They are under no pressure to move Sale. They have all the leverage in this.
Pete Abraham @PeteAbe 21m21 minutes ago
Dave Dombrowski, Mike Hazen and John Farrell now meeting in Anaheim.
Pete Abraham @PeteAbe 14m14 minutes ago
Meeting now expanded to include Frank Wren, Allard Baird and Brian O'Halloran.
Pete Abraham @PeteAbe 11m11 minutes ago
The fact they're meeting in the dugout in full view of several beat writers would seem to suggest nothing is imminent. But we'll see.
Dave Dombrowski, Mike Hazen and John Farrell now meeting in Anaheim.
Pete Abraham @PeteAbe 14m14 minutes ago
Meeting now expanded to include Frank Wren, Allard Baird and Brian O'Halloran.
Pete Abraham @PeteAbe 11m11 minutes ago
The fact they're meeting in the dugout in full view of several beat writers would seem to suggest nothing is imminent. But we'll see.
The way things are going this year, not gonna happen. I think I'd trade Benintendi before Devers if it came to that.
Baird Wren and O'Halloran is very interesting. I would guess it has something to do with a move. Either a trade, DFA or call up such as AB? Firing wouldn't be done in public view. Nor would Wren be in that meeting.
Wouldn't imagine they'd be cruel enough to let him get into uniform and hit the dugout only to say "Oh yeah we forgot to tell you, you're fired!"
No, it sounds really standard business procedure.
Hazen-Baird-O'Halloran were the troika who headed up Ben Cherington's decision-making politburo. We know Dombrowski brought in Wren and kept the rest of the Sox FO that he inherited, so it makes perfect sense that all the decision-makers are there as they discuss the organization's approach to the deadline.
And for me this confirms that those Farrell apologists who've said he has no say in the FO decisions about what players are on the roster or who should be acquired to meet the team's needs are simply wrong. Just like Tito, Farrell may not have final say, but his voice is heard along with the rest of the baseball ops execs at strategy meetings.
They're literally sitting in the dugout together, man.
You're really impressed with your own take on things, huh?
You're really impressed with your own take on things, huh?
Is there a manager, anywhere, that doesn't sit in and opine on these kinds of meetings? What are you trying to say? Wait let me rephrase that, which spectacularly bad (because it's not the good ones right) roster move are you trying to pin on Farrell?
Ha, back home in Missouri. The only thing I deciphered from Friday was possibly replacing Koji with Jeffress.
This was the best and worst news of the day. I was fully invested in having a SOSH mole in the Sox FO. I was channeling my inner Eric Van.
Price too high? I would have sent him packing for Capps alone. No way that Cashner is ranked higher than him
Sox might be better off with Buchholz back in the rotation and Pomeranz working in the lefty Scot Shields role.
Opening this thread continues to scare the shit out of me. The end of the day--with no news regarding Moncada, AB, Devers & Kopech--cannot come soon enough.
Pitcher A: 4-9, 5.79 ERA. 88.2 IP, 57K, 38 BB. 5.69 FIP. 1.43 WHIP, 78 ERA+
Pitcher B: 5-10, 5.84 ERA. 111 IP, 91K, 42 BB. 4.79 FIP. 1.52 WHIP, 70 ERA+
Pitcher A = Clay Buchholz
Pitcher B = Sonny Gray
Pitcher B: 5-10, 5.84 ERA. 111 IP, 91K, 42 BB. 4.79 FIP. 1.52 WHIP, 70 ERA+
Pitcher A = Clay Buchholz
Pitcher B = Sonny Gray
Joe Nathan was DFA'd today to make room for Jorge Soler on the Cubs roster. Is it worth it to take a flyer on him? He's made 3 scoreless appearances since being called up and has 4 strikeouts. If they release him, it might be a nice low-cost addition to the bullpen.
That's what this team needs...more 41 year old relievers.
If they can get him on a minor league deal with the idea that they'll add him to the 40-man by September 1, it might be worth a shot. Not sure he's a clear upgrade to what they have now, at least enough to be worth optioning or losing someone to fit him in.
If they can get him on a minor league deal with the idea that they'll add him to the 40-man by September 1, it might be worth a shot. Not sure he's a clear upgrade to what they have now, at least enough to be worth optioning or losing someone to fit him in.
Not sure if this was already posted, nor whether this is the proper place. But it doesn't seem to be quite thread worthy by itself.
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#RedSox requested unconditional release waivers today on LHP Tommy Layne.
Pete Abraham @PeteAbe#RedSox requested unconditional release waivers today on LHP Tommy Layne.
Do they have to do that? Couldn't they require him to go back to Pawtucket a la Craig? Seems like another case where they are not pressing every advantage to build up goodwill with future marginal talent. Can't argue with the strategy as we seem to do well fishing in that pool lately.Not sure if this was already posted, nor whether this is the proper place. But it doesn't seem to be quite thread worthy by itself.
#RedSox requested unconditional release waivers today on LHP Tommy Layne.
Has nothing to do with options. You can only force a player to take an outright assignment after a DFA once without his consent (provided he hasn't accrued a certain level of service time). The Sox were able to do that with Craig last year, and leveraged his contract to do it again this year (if he refused the assignment, he'd lose millions).
Layne has already been forced to accept an outright assignment in his career, so he has the right to refuse such assignments now. In fact, refusing an outright assignment by the Padres in 2013 is how he came to sign as a minor league free agent with the Red Sox in the first place.
The Red Sox choices with Layne once they DFAd him were trade him or release him. They had no advantage to press.
Layne has already been forced to accept an outright assignment in his career, so he has the right to refuse such assignments now. In fact, refusing an outright assignment by the Padres in 2013 is how he came to sign as a minor league free agent with the Red Sox in the first place.
The Red Sox choices with Layne once they DFAd him were trade him or release him. They had no advantage to press.
Yes, but it didn't have to take two steps. The outright process starts with a DFA whether the player is on the 25-man roster or is on optional assignment to the minors.
With Layne, I wouldn't be surprised if they granted him his release rather than try to push him through waivers so he could have some semblance of control over where he goes next.
A couple side sessions with pitching gurus Farrell and Willis and I'm sure we'll see 2006 Paps.