Not our Star Blazer: Yamamoto signs with the Dodgers for $325 million, 12 years
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I think your greater point stands, but there are certain reasonable categorical guesses one can make. Say for example - YY is vanishingly unlikely to take the 5th smallest contract to play for an uncompetitive club who is completely indifferent to accommodating him.
We might not know the particulars of those categories, or how much he might weigh any particular thing. But I think a club probably has to be in the top 1-3 offers in several categories to have a serious chance.
His agent told all teams not to place a bid. Bidding begins today. If the Mets offer $400M, good luck to them. I only care if he accepts the Red Sox or declines the Yankees.
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So the day after he meets the Mets and Yankees are when terms will start being discussed?
And there has been no confirmation today from anyone that he went to Boston or is planning to after his NY venture?
I’d say that’s not too promising at all. But maybe we will get word otherwise in the next few hours
And there has been no confirmation today from anyone that he went to Boston or is planning to after his NY venture?
I’d say that’s not too promising at all. But maybe we will get word otherwise in the next few hours
I mean, just last week a report had Ohtani in Toronto coming to terms with the Blue Jays, so some skepticism is warranted around reporting about where a player is or isn’t, or has/hasn’t been.
I think you are referring to the translator Matsuzaka used at his press conference. That man, Tak Sato, was not actually an interpreter by profession (he was chosen because Matsuzaka felt most comfortable with him) but instead a Japanese representative of Scott Boras' agency. This is why Matsuzaka's press conference was such a disaster, and a good example of why allowing players to choose the interpreter they are comfortable with is dangerous.
By definition players requiring interpreters do not speak English well, so their ability to gauge the interpreting skills of a potential hire is significantly hampered by this limitation. That said, I am concerned about this bit of news (Yoshida's interpreter being replaced) because it could very well indicate that Yoshida was not happy with the interpreting services that the team provided him - which would be a frustration that could end up passed on to YY. Ideally, we'd like Yoshida to be glowingly positive about all aspects of his transition to the Sox, and if instead he wasn't happy with his interpreter there might be some complaints about the Sox help with his transition that are being passed on to YY.
If I recall correctly, Yoshida had his own interpreter who was also a friend similar to the Matsuzaka situation that you referenced. There was some reporting on this, and I will try to find a link and relevant passage.
EDIT: Not a friend but the translator from the Orix Buffaloes
Link: https://theathletic.com/4581805/2023/06/06/mlb-interpreters-shohei-ohtani/
In any event, it seems like the Red Sox were not satisfied with Yoshida's interpreter rather than vice versa which could still be a sticking point. Especially if Yamamoto is also comfortable with Wakabayashi.
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Man I just got back from Hawaii to this god forsaken dark and rainy dystopia. What else do I have to do but speculate (though my priest told me if I do that too much I might go blind).
Given the number of teams said to be in on him, that may actually be an optimistic sampling.
I thought Passan said that bidding is going to start now. So this report is based on what Rosenthal hears the bids are going to be? Or ??
Taken at face value, in name dropping them as favorites Rosenthal actually seems to be saying that they have the most ability/willingness of teams to pay Yamomoto enough to get in the door.
View: https://twitter.com/ken_rosenthal/status/1736869564099735666?s=46&t=1S4eWjX_rzBBrpPNddRPAg
This is no surprise to...anyone.
The Dodgers have become the new Yankees - they seem to land whomever they want (I'm sure that's not true but it sure feels that way). The Yankees are still the Yankees. And the Mets are like Fredo Corleone - not nearly as good as Michael, but willing to shell out the huge bucks because they can and they want a seat at the grown up table.
No you are 100% right, he took his quote way out of context.... he said "seem" and even hedged, that pretty much nobody knows where he is going to land.
This was from literally this morning
https://www.audacy.com/national/sports/yankees-mets-rivals-unchartered-territory-yoshinobu-yamamoto
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If Boston is really out on YY, I feel like the Mets are acting more like Fat Clemenza, and the Red Sox are acting more like Fredo now (who thinks he's smart but is acting like a lightweight).
Oh..that also doesn't sound good. If Yoshida wants to keep Wakabayashi and the Sox don't, isn't that something they should discuss with him after all the free agent Japanese players that they are pursuing sign contracts? After all, any of them interested in the Sox are likely to talk to Yoshida (especially YY). I'm guessing that Wakabayashi isn't as good at English as the Sox would like, which was actually pretty apparent at Yoshida's press conference when he was introduced. I hadn't realized before that he had come with Yoshida from Orix, but that explains a lot. Generally, it seems like the interpreters working for American teams are more skilled than those on Japanese teams, but that really seems something that the team shouldn't take on now unless Yoshida is also frustrated with Wakabayashi.
At this point, I'd just offer him something like...
2024: $45M
2025: $45M
2026: $45M
2027: $45M
**Player can opt-out, but team can nullify opt-out with 2028/2029 team option @ $45M/yr
2028: $25M -- Escalates to $45M if player finishes in the top 5 of the Cy Young voting twice in 2024-2027
2029: $25M -- Escalates to $45M if player finishes in the top 5 of the Cy Young voting twice in 2024-2027
**Player can opt-out, but team can nullify opt-out with 2030/2031 team option @ $45M/yr
2030: $25M -- Escalates to $45M if player finishes in the top 5 of the Cy Young voting once in 2028-2029
2031: $25M -- Escalates to $45M if player finishes in the top 5 of the Cy Young voting once in 2028-2029
**Player can opt-out, but team can nullify opt-out with 2032/2033 team option @ $45M/yr
2032: $25M -- Escalates to $45M if player finishes in the top 5 of the Cy Young voting once in 2030-2031
2033: $25M -- Escalates to $45M if player finishes in the top 5 of the Cy Young voting once in 2030-2031
Minimum Value: 10/$330
Maximum Value: 10/$450
Go fuck yourself, Cohen.
2024: $45M
2025: $45M
2026: $45M
2027: $45M
**Player can opt-out, but team can nullify opt-out with 2028/2029 team option @ $45M/yr
2028: $25M -- Escalates to $45M if player finishes in the top 5 of the Cy Young voting twice in 2024-2027
2029: $25M -- Escalates to $45M if player finishes in the top 5 of the Cy Young voting twice in 2024-2027
**Player can opt-out, but team can nullify opt-out with 2030/2031 team option @ $45M/yr
2030: $25M -- Escalates to $45M if player finishes in the top 5 of the Cy Young voting once in 2028-2029
2031: $25M -- Escalates to $45M if player finishes in the top 5 of the Cy Young voting once in 2028-2029
**Player can opt-out, but team can nullify opt-out with 2032/2033 team option @ $45M/yr
2032: $25M -- Escalates to $45M if player finishes in the top 5 of the Cy Young voting once in 2030-2031
2033: $25M -- Escalates to $45M if player finishes in the top 5 of the Cy Young voting once in 2030-2031
Minimum Value: 10/$330
Maximum Value: 10/$450
Go fuck yourself, Cohen.
Probably really not that big of a deal. Team is always going to employ those that work best for the team, and Yoshida is aware of that. Doubt it has much influence on Yamamoto.
Don't tell me that even "pursuing" in the thread title needs to be changed now?
There hasn't much more than speculation in this thread, but I'm going to state some fact about the eventual Yamamoto signing. If Yamamoto signs with Boston, there will be a spoogefest the likes of which we haven’t seen around these forums since '04. If he signs elsewhere (particularly with the MFY) we will see a shit show here that will rival the last two seasons of the Bloom era.
no, Boston Strong editorialized what Rosenthal was saying to an absurd degree.... He never said "are favorites" Rosenthal even hedged that nobody knows who he is going to sign with
I'm not so sure I'm up for more Henry bashing and Breslow being called a clone of Bloom, cuz you know that's what we're in for
I’m guessing it’s not a big deal because if it was they wouldn’t have pursued this at this time.
That said, these guys probably spend more time with their interpreters than their wives, so I don’t agree that it would be easy for Yoshida to accept a change that he was against.
Fredo didn't go to Yale. It's quite likely that CBOCB knows that he's been trying to beat long odds.
Thought of this after @CalSoxGal 's post yesterday. I was going to try to find it and say, not all our Yankees fans comrades here are like these guys. Except Crow, obvs.This should be sufficient.
Not sure when this was from but KR is certainly sounding like the Sox are still in on YY here:
View: https://twitter.com/bossportsgordo/status/1736873048643375115?s=46&t=4DK5sD-8gsSKFExcsnEJqg
View: https://twitter.com/bossportsgordo/status/1736873048643375115?s=46&t=4DK5sD-8gsSKFExcsnEJqg
Apologies if I missed but didn't see it answered -- the internets say it's his agent, Joel Wolfe.
Way too many syllables.
"Sox are aware of a baseball player named Yamamoto"
What a weak ass take. We obviously don’t know the inner workings of the front office and the discussions being had but we’ve seen little to nothing that indicates we aren’t making a serious push at Yamamoto and I don’t see how you can reasonably heap blame onto them if they make a real offer and the kid just chooses another team. What other moves should they have made? What other moves were they in a position to make? Why are they being pilloried when their number one target, at least as it appears, hasn’t even made up his mind yet?
In short, Ken Rosenthal can get bent.
Red Sox are dorks of the week for not making any bold moves. Stupid take of course but to be fair, baseball writers everywhere are starved for material.
No new information was conveyed.
Here: I'm Ken Rosenthal, and I'm a jackass.
Referenced (appropriately) Tom Werner's promise to go "full throttle" to improve the club. Noted they haven't signed YY yet (true). Goes on to add (unreasonably) that signing Snell or Montgomery wouldn't be major, bold moves. He's going to pre-emptively assign the Red Sox as Dorks of the Week unless something major breaks.
View: https://twitter.com/ken_rosenthal/status/1736915246361833504?s=46
“The Red Sox have reportedly made a big bid”
“The Red Sox have reportedly made a big bid”
Ha ha! I guess I was thinking more about the fans like the guys in the gif when I rattled off my impulsive post yesterday. (Honestly, I really don't know who's a Yankee fan here or not, and didn't intend to tar all with the same brush.)
Anyway, aside from not wanting the MFY to get better, I hope they don't sign YY because he seems to be a likeable guy, and the kind of talent you want to root for and see succeed. And if he becomes a Yankee I will not be able to do that.
The guy wearing a bow tie doesn't get to call anyone a dork. I don't care how many of you guys went to NESCAC schools.
Andy Martino: Nobody knows anything in terms of what YY wants or where he’s going. Tons of contradictory info out there. Teams have no idea at this point. This week, real negotiations begin.
View: https://twitter.com/snytv/status/1736899149012877391?s=46&t=IVL2VrlFgLlpc3mjGGto8Q
View: https://twitter.com/snytv/status/1736899149012877391?s=46&t=IVL2VrlFgLlpc3mjGGto8Q
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