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NHL Trade Deadline Chatter

Discussion in 'Rick Middleton's Pron 'Stache: Bruins Forum' started by RedOctober3829, Jan 26, 2018.

  1. RedOctober3829

    RedOctober3829 Member SoSH Member

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  2. burstnbloom

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    McDonagh is VERY intriguing but I can't imagine they'd actually move him. McDonagh - Carlo would be a really good second pair. I love Gryz but having:

    Chara - McAvoy
    McDonagh - Carlo
    Krug- Killer

    is a championship level defense.

    I wonder what the cost would be. Probably 2 prospects and a first at least.
     
  3. kenneycb

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    The cost probably starts at Carlo+.
     
  4. burstnbloom

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    I don't think they can get 5 years of Carlo for 100 games of McDonagh given his play has trended downward.
     
  5. cshea

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    Isles say they won’t trade Tavares.
     
  6. InstantKarmma

    InstantKarmma Defender of Roadrunners Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Jack Edwards weeps.
     
  7. TFP

    TFP Dope Dope

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    Welp, the Bruins demoralized the Rags so bad, they're basically admitting to giving up on the season.

     
  8. cshea

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    Don’t often see teams come out and announce they’re selling. Prepping the fan base for some bigger names leaving?Rangers really need it though. They didn’t have a first round draft pick for 4 years. It is really hard to remain competitive long term without contributions from the draft, and moving all your early picks makes it much harder to find contributors from the draft. From the 2012-2016 drafts the only real NHL players they’ve found are Brady Skjei, Anthony Duclair and Pavel Buchnevich, and Duclair was traded almost immediately.

    Anyways guys who are obviously gone- Nash, Grabner, Nick Holden, David Desharnais. Likely gone- McDonagh, Zuccarello.

    I think he is untradeable for a variety of reasons, but I kinda wonder what they would do if a Lundqvist deal presented itself. He’s got 3 more years left, I don’t know if they can get it turned around quick enough to where they are a contender with him still playing at a high level. It seems like they are ready to strip it down to the core, so timeline of Ludqvist being good and the team getting back to contention doesnt seem to match, but I guess in the NHL you can turn it around in a hurry.
     
  9. Boston Brawler

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    That's outstanding.
     
  10. MiracleOfO2704

    MiracleOfO2704 not AWOL SoSH Member

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    This came up a week ago. Hank wants to stay no matter what.
     
  11. DrewDawg

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    RangersTown?
     
  12. cshea

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    Yeah, that’s part of the reason I said he’s untradeable. I was just more or less wondering aloud what the Rangers would do in a world where no such no-trade/salary cap/lack of goalie trade market hurdles existed.
     
  13. FL4WL3SS

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    That's actually very classy, to be honest.

    I just hope they provided the same clarity to the "familiar faces" that they're thinking of moving. I think players deserve to know when they're being shopped.
     
  14. AMcGhie

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    Yeah, I’d have no problem if the B’s did something like that if they were going through a similar downturn. Transparency from ownership is a rare thing, and I respect what the Rags did.
     
  15. burstnbloom

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    The Bruins are stacked with assets and could make a move of real significance but the marketplace looks so blah. The Rangers don't offer much with McD being hurt. I like Kreider but hes just had a rib removed. I hope they stay pat unless they can get a LHD with term or a young RW difference maker with term and those usually arent on the market at the deadline.
     
  16. cshea

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    McKenzie did a 2 hour podcast yesterday where he went through all 31 teams and their deadline plans. For the Bruins, he said it’s basically a balancing act. They have a good thing going, so you don’t want to upset the chemistry too much, but at the same time they have to recognize that they have a legitimate shot at a Cup.

    He said ideally he thinks they would look for a top 6/9 winger. As we’ve been hearing for a while, they don’t want to move top prospects, but he said that they have enough of a war chest that they could get in on pretty much anyone they wanted.
     
  17. TFP

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    Am I crazy, or am I the only one who thinks they should be targeting a defenseman? Last year’s injury bug combined with their minor struggles when McAvoy went out has me worried if they suffer one or two key injuries on the back end. I feel like they have less NHL ready depth there than on forward.

    Of course a top 6 winger will help, so I wouldn’t complain, I’m just more leery on defense.
     
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  18. FL4WL3SS

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    I'm totally with you, if they're going to make a move it's gotta be for D. They are playing great in offense and have so many pieces to plug in.

    I actually prefer not to do anything, but defense is a bigger need I think.
     
  19. timlinin8th

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    I also have been feeling like D is more of a need than the forward ranks but the question I keep struggling with is, who ends up being the odd man out if that is the case? I do not want them to drop Grz, as a young LHD is what this team is going to need now and into the future, and his play has more than justified him having a spot. Krug is more of an offensive d-man and they could take the hit on what he brings offensively to upgrade over his defense, but I don’t see them making that move in-season. Do they upgrade a RHD and reconfigure the Carlo/McQ/Miller trio somehow?
     
  20. cshea

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    I think the right side is fine. They are 4/5 deep- McAvoy/Carlo/Miller/McQuaid/Postma.

    Left side would be an area they could look to improve. Chara/Krug/Grzelcyk/Postma and then we’re on to the kids in Providence. All summer they said they were in the market for a LHD, so it’s something that’s been on their wish list for a bit. Grzelcyk has been fantastic so that could have an affect on their decision making. Miller can also play the left side if needed.

    I don’t really see much available that would be an upgrade on Grz. McDonagh is one, but he would cost a ton. Other than that, I think we’re probably looking at a vet depth piece as insurance. Similar to previous deadline acquisitions like Redden, Liles, Mottau.
     
  21. jk333

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    I think upgrading on Potsma/Ogara for the 8th spot could make sense; it’d be good if Cross doesn’t start multiple games again.

    I’d swap Ogara for a more NHL ready depth D. Be happy to include Agostino or Acciari for the right D too. I just don’t know who’s available and if the fringe prospects the Bruins have would be of interest to other teams. None of these would really help a McAvoy injury but rather a second injury.
     
  22. RedOctober3829

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    Sportsnet insiders saying people around the league are saying "don't count out the Bruins" in acquiring Ryan McDonoagh.
     
  23. cshea

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    It was Friedman. Paraphrasing, “At lot of teams are looking at Boston because A) they can do it and B) they have a need on the left side.”

    He’s on a great contract and the Bruins would be getting 2 playoff runs with him. I’d be prepared to give up a pretty big package for him. 1st, Grz, and then a good prospect or two, maybe Bjork or one of the other wingers. I think he’s a legit top pair defenseman. He can eat a ton of minutes, play both PP and PK.

    Chara - McAvoy
    McDonagh - Miller
    Krug - Carlo
     
  24. FL4WL3SS

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    The defense looks pretty sick with him in there. I'd see if NY would take a bunch of futures and a couple throw ins like Miller in order to keep Grz.
     
  25. RedOctober3829

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    Spooner, Grz, pick for McD?
     
  26. Salem's Lot

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    I don't see why they would make a quantity for quality trade when McDonough has 2 more years at a relatively low cap hit. For all we know they could've called Sweeney to see if he's stupid enough to trade McAvoy for him and he hung up the phone.
     
  27. cshea

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    I don’t think Spooner would interest them much. He’s arb eligible and 1 year away from free agency. They’re going to want controllable prospects on ELC’s.
     
  28. cshea

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    Derrick Brassard is available. Sens are apparently seeking a 1st round pick, too prospect, 3rd piece.

     
  29. NYCSox

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    If it somehow comes to it, I'm not letting Gryz get in the way of acquiring McDonough.
     
  30. timlinin8th

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    I know the right side has more depth, but (IMO) a lot less quality. All of Chara, Krug, and Grz are solid D men (and I do not want to trade Grz even for McDonagh - I want to keep him as a LHD the team will have control over for the future, with McAvoy on the right they are a bridge to the future of this D).

    I am hopeful Carlo breaks out but he’s still a work in progress, Miller is good (but used in his natural position as a right D... he can be played on the left but I find he’s not nearly as good playing consistently on his offwing) but McQuaid isn’t an NHL caliber D anymore, Postma is depth only... qualitywise a right shot D could bump down all of Carlo/Miller/McQ, I would even be more willing to include Carlo in a trade before Grz, as trading Grz for McDonagh doesn’t help the LHD depth at all, its just swapping one-for-one.

    I wonder if the Bruins could include Carlo in a trade for McDonagh (allowing them to retain Grz) AND swing a trade for a RHD upgrade (though I honestly haven’t looked at who may be available)...

    Chara/McAvoy
    McDonagh/new RHD
    Krug/Miller

    Grz/McQuaid

    Leaves the D in good shape for both now and the future.
     
  31. cshea

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    I would only include Grz in a deal if a clear upgrade is coming back in the deal. The only guy out there that qualifies is McDonagh. Adding McDonagh bumps Grz out for the next year and a half. Assuming Chara signs for another year or two, you would essentially have the D set through next year with no place to fit Grz in. The Bruins also have a ton of LHD prospects in variying stages of their development- Zboril, Vaakanainen, Lauzon, O’Gara, Johansson, Sherman, etc. so they’d be dealing from a surplus. One or two of those kids should be NHL ready within the next year or two which would line up with a McDonagh time frame.
     
  32. Maximus

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    I agree but at this point I think I would prefer trading Carlo instead of Grz for McDonagh or a similar LHD upgrade. Carlo has struggled since late last year and I have my concerns of him getting better going forward.
     
  33. RedOctober3829

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    Trading Carlo leaves you with a right side depth chart of McAvoy/Miller/McQuaid/Postma. That’s all they’ve got. They don’t have a righty in Providence that can be called up. We know McQuaid and Miller’s injury history, so I think moving Carlo is a dicey proposition. I’m sure some of the guys on the LHD depth chart can move over to the right if needed, but that is not exactly an ideal situation.
     
  35. RedOctober3829

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    Larry Brooks in yesterday's Post said the Bruins and Lightning have expressed "keen interest" in Ryan McDonagh but neither team has given a legitimate offer to the Rangers yet.

    "Ryan McDonagh, whose contract runs through next season, has prompted keen interest by Stanley Cup contenders Tampa Bay and Boston, currently separated by three points at the top of the Atlantic Division and Eastern Conference.

    The Post has learned that neither team has yet stepped up with an offer the Blueshirts could legitimately consider in return for their captain, whose potential addition could ultimately tip the balance between the Lightning and Bruins. We’re told that management feels no urgency to deal McDonagh by the Feb. 26 deadline and could revisit the possibility of a deal at the June draft, when the pool of suitors would naturally increase."

    https://nypost.com/2018/02/12/glen-sather-isnt-abandoning-the-rangers-now/
     
  36. timlinin8th

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    I’m probably letting some of my feelings about Krug shine through in everything I’m suggesting, in that I would keep him for this season but potentially investigate trades for him as the other kids work their way up to being ready to start riding the shuttle from Provy to Boston.

    I do agree with what you said later about a trade for Carlo in that I only ship Carlo out if I can make a corresponding upgrade in another trade for another RHD. By the sounds of things though, McDonagh is only moving now as opposed to the offseason if a team gives up a TON and it may be too much to stomach. Honestly I’d be fine with standing pat.
     
  37. Salem's Lot

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    So I read this as Gorton saying that Tampa and Boston wouldn't give us what we want (Sergachev or McAvoy) so we're not dealing him unless a prospect like that comes available. KPD keeps throwing out a Carlo, Frederic and a 1st idea out there, which I would probably do when push comes to shove, however I don't think they're going to do a quality for quantity trade for a guy like that with term. I would want an elite prospect to deal him now, knowing I could hold on to him and take a chance that I could deal him next deadline for a similar quantity package.
     
  38. gryoung

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    Carlo is getting lots of ice time in key situations. To these eyes, he’s playing pretty well and seems to have the coach’s trust. He’s young. He’s big. He’s a stay-at-home-first defensemen (which most of the other young players aren’t). I don’t trade him unless it’s in a big deal.
     
  39. TFP

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    He was a top 4 NHL defenseman at age 19, is still one at 21. People forget that he's three years younger than Grzelcyk and is already much better, granted with a different skillset. I agree he's had his growing pains, but he's 21. Trading him to open up room for Grzelcyk is insane. I like Grz a lot, but he's much more likely in the Warsofsky, Bartkwoski, Hunwick mold. His upside is basically...Krug, his more likely path is all those guys I just mentioned.People forget how young Carlo is and how long NHL defenseman take to get really good. I wouldn't move him unless it was for an absolute no brainer of a trade.

    People are underrating Krug here too. He's 11th in the NHL in points for defensemen and is 3rd on the Bruins in TOI/G. All for a very reasonable contract that other teams would be salivating over. I don't know why people think that's someone we need to trade, but the Bruins need more of him, not less.

    Frankly, the Bruins don't need to trade anyone off the NHL roster at the deadline. Use picks/prospects to improve the NHL roster, but there's no need to upset the best team in the NHL over the last 2 months, especially when it's setup for the future as well.
     
  40. cshea

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    The closest comp I can come up with for a McDonagh trade would be the Yandle deal from Arizona to NYR at the 2015 deadline.

    Yandle had 1.5 years left, the return was 2016 first (lottery protected), 2015 2nd, Anthony Duclair, John Moore. So 2 high end picks, a top prospect, and a 25 year old NHL defenseman.

    Shattenkirk was a strict rental and he got 1st, a so so prospect (Zach Sanford) and a conditional pick.

    McDonagh is a better player than both those guys, so that’d bump the cost up. The Yandle deal would probably serve as the template if the team got serious about it. 2 picks, Carlo or Grz, and then probably Bjork or a Frederic/Donato/JFK.
     
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  41. FL4WL3SS

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    I'd say no to that deal. I don't think any small incremental improvement is worth any deal they'd have to make for McDonough. How much better can the realistically get this season? You would hope to extend him next season, but he's going to cost a lot so you lose some roster flexibility as well.

    They just need to stand pat and let the season play out. Everything this season is gravy anyway, nobody expected what they're doing so soon. Let the kids keep developing.
     
  42. burstnbloom

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    The Coyotes also got Summers and a 4th and retained half Yandles salary for the life of his contract. It's a good benchmark, and I think the ceiling for what they will get for McD given how the trade market has regressed into more of a buyers market in the last 2 years. I still don't think Carlo or Gryz fit or need to fit to make it work. Moore was a mediocre RFA to be with 1 year of control left. Carlo and Gryz are both better than he was then and have multiple years of control so they aren't apples to apples. The 1st was also a year down the road.

    If NYR would retain, I would give this years 1st, a 3rd next year, Bjork and one of the LHD. If they wouldn't take that, good luck to them. The offers will go down at the draft and even more next trade deadline.

    The real challenge for the Bruins is after next year. They have raises due for Carlo, McAvoy and Heinen. Only Spooner, Chara and McQuaid will be off the books by then and Chara is likely back at a similar cap hit. Bjork and Debrusk will need raises the following offseason and they will lose Krug. It could be a challenge to add a 30 yo $8m defenseman. If they do that, they'd be at about $60 million in cap before they pay their RFA's. They don't get any significant cap relief until 2021 so those 2 years could be pretty tight against the cap if these players continue to progress like we hope they will.
     
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    On the flip side, Chara’s 40, Bergeron is 32, Backes is 33, Krejci is 31 so they don’t have too many more cracks at it with these guys still playing at an elite or high level. I’d be willing to sacrifice some futures, but not sell the farm entirely, to get bring in a guy like McDonagh (more than an incremental improvement, IMO) for 2 playoff runs.
     
  44. FL4WL3SS

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    I think that's a great point about Chara if they view McDonough as a replacement for him salary-wise.

    If they think they can get him signed, I think it would be more of a long term play instead of drastically improving this years team. They are already on a 120 point pace and will be favored in all playoff series except maybe TB and that's true if they have McDonough or not. I'm not saying he won't improve the team, but he may be worth only one win over the remainder of the season. If they can keep him long term and keep some roster flexibility, then it makes sense. I just don't see a huge need to blow up the farm for him for this season.
     
  45. NYCSox

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    We're counting on the Pens to do their usual work and take out the Caps right? :)
     
  46. TFP

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    I wonder if they’ll kick the tires on Gionta for bottom 6 depth. Even if he’s a healthy scratch, there’s no acquisition cost and he could be a good veteran to add.
     
  47. RedOctober3829

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    It is not final at this point, but OTT/LA are working on a Dion Phaneuf trade
     
  48. Greg29fan

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    It's Phaneuf and Nate Thompson for Gaborik and Devin Shore. OTT retains 25% of Phaneuf's salary.

     
  49. cshea

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    Straight salary dump for Ottawa. Not sure what the Kings are thinking though.
     
  50. PedroSpecialK

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    Gaborik's got the same term, and with the $1.3125m retained, ends up costing $937k more AAV than keeping Phaneuf. However, Gaborik's front-loaded deal saves the Sens ~$4m.

    Maybe the Sens can retain some $$ and flip Gaborik, but... yeah it's pretty bleak for them
     

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