NFL draft day 2 game thread (NO SPOILERS!!!!!!)

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Ed Hillel said:
Then his reps are smart, and so is he on some level. The guy blew off meetings when he was on a tour to take the sting out of the weed use. What are you going to do? Baby sitters are us.
 

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Deathofthebambino said:
 
How can you guys possibly know that? 
 
Seriously. We've seen this every year, and it's so stupid. Just because the guy is a 5th round projection by Kiper and other draft prognosticators does not mean that's where teams have him ranked.  
 

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You are right we don't. But as with Tavon, if it doesn't work out, BB deserves a lot of criticism
 
Because the guy who coached your team to six Super Bowls missed on a draft pick?
 

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Where does this S fit in?

Seriously. Maybe he is that good and takes the job or maybe they are going 3 safety set
 

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timelysarcasm said:
Mixing up my problem children. Meant Gregory. They won't take Collins until the 3rd round.
  
dcmissle said:
Can you imagine the babysitting crew they will have in Dallas? They had 4 guys squiring Dez around a couple if years ago.
Recognizing the impending hazing from SoSH, I have to say I'm rooting for Gregory.

My son played on the same High School team with him. My son started as a DE his senior year and got beat out by sophomore Randy Gregory after 3-4 games. As you might imagine, Gregory was a freakish athlete. Also played on the same HS basketball team with Gary Harris (Michigan State/Denver Nuggets) and Zak Irvin (Michigan).

He's just.... a knucklehead. Good parents. Dad is gigantic and terrifying, but a good Dad. Mom is good.

He's one of those "It Takes A Village Kids" for whatever reason. Might be some underlying issues (obviously), but he has always needed strict and strong support. NFL teams don't like to babysit players off the field, so that's where the real risk is with him.

But he's got God-given, unique athletic talent.

I hope he makes it.
 

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tims4wins said:
You are right we don't. But as with Tavon, if it doesn't work out, BB deserves a lot of criticism
Fans put wayyyyyyyy too much emphasis on the importance of the draft. We are well past the point where all of these picks became 50/50 propositions. The odds of the guys getting drafted now having solid NFL careers is small and quickly getting smaller with each passing pick.
 

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Fans put wayyyyyyyy too much emphasis on the importance of the draft. We are well past the point where all of these picks became 50/50 propositions. The odds of the guys getting drafted now having solid NFL careers is small and quickly getting smaller with each passing pick.
You know, this should inspire hope. Eventually, one of these Who-the-Fuck-Is-That-All-Stars will turn into an above average starter out of statistical luck, if nothing else.
 

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DanoooME said:
There's the punt return guy we needed.
 
I've been reading people comparing him to Golden Tate which I'll happily take
 

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I am as much of a BB fanboy as anyone. In BB I trust. And most of the time I like what he does. But every once in a while he has these completely head scratching moments. And obviously we tend to remember when those don't pan out more often than when they do.

Moreover, the point is that when he goes against the grain he opens himself up to more criticism. Doesn't mean he is wrong - not all that different than 4th and 2. But it opens the discussion. That is all.
 

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First cancer kid of the night.  And she did a better job than Goddell has done all of these years.
 
She looks a lot like a friend of mine in the face.
 

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JohnnyTheBone said:
 
That's a hell of a good point, DC.
 
I'd quote DC's post, but didn't see it on the page.
 
But just an idea of why the Pats trade back and don't just go down their list. It could be because they have an idea of what other teams are going to do and move down to a range where they feel comfortable they can still get their player, while picking up additional assets. It all comes down to value. If they get enough of it back, they might be willing to miss a player they like that's at the top of their board or hope that he falls to them later in the draft. 
 

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It's inconceivable the Patriots aren't in the room thinking "will he still be there at 96 and 97," right? It's not like that's a question they forget to ask themselves.
 
They've also got to assume that if there are things they like about a guy then teams like the Texans are going to like a lot of the same things.  Daniel Jeremiah has said that when he was at Baltimore the Pats were always drafting guys the Ravens liked--Ozzie tends to see players the same way BB does.  I think BB is smart enough to realize that if he likes a guy other people are going to see things to like as well.
 
I've watched Stanford a ton over the last few years and I really like Richards. He hits a ton and frankly I'm shocked his combine numbers were as bad they were-he's pretty fast on the field.  I would have guessed that he'd be more of a third or fourth round guy.  If memory serves Greg Cosell also really liked him.  
 

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Fans put wayyyyyyyy too much emphasis on the importance of the draft. We are well past the point where all of these picks became 50/50 propositions. The odds of the guys getting drafted now having solid NFL careers is small and quickly getting smaller with each passing pick.
 
That's the definition of being fans.  
 

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ElcaballitoMVP said:
 
I'd quote DC's post, but didn't see it on the page.
 
But just an idea of why the Pats trade back and don't just go down their list. It could be because they have an idea of what other teams are going to do and move down to a range where they feel comfortable they can still get their player, while picking up additional assets. It all comes down to value. If they get enough of it back, they might be willing to miss a player they like that's at the top of their board or hope that he falls to them later in the draft. 
So you're saying they use common sense and don't just auto-draft off a list.
It isn't that hard to figure out how they think about the draft. This isn't rocket science.

The draft is fun and everyone loves shiny things and their binkies. It's strange I love watching the draft but I think it's also terribly overrated.
 

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Fans put wayyyyyyyy too much emphasis on the importance of the draft. We are well past the point where all of these picks became 50/50 propositions. The odds of the guys getting drafted now having solid NFL careers is small and quickly getting smaller with each passing pick.
I wouldn't say well past the point of 50/50. IIRC there was a recent study that said 2nd round picks had a 50% chance of being a starter after 4 years.
 

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So you're saying they use common sense and don't just auto-draft off a list.
It isn't that hard to figure out how they think about the draft. This isn't rocket science.

The draft is fun and everyone loves shiny things and their binkies. It's strange I love watching the draft but I think it's also terribly overrated.
Human beings have a compulsion to categorize things.  The NFL draft is contest, of sorts, in how well you identify and categorize things, in this case people.
 

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Maybe Wells' report found fault with both the Pats and the NFL. Publically it will be "there were mistake made by all so no one gets punished." Privately the Pats had to draft down 5 rounds with their second... I kid.
 

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To qoute Dom iIrerra on the Drew Carey show "I'm not gonna call you that, pick somethin else"
 

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Does the analyst on NFLN have a horse fetish or something?
 
So far tonight,
 
"..when you see him on the hoof.."
 
"he's a horse"
 
"when you see him you think thoroughbred"
 

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tims4wins said:
I wouldn't say well past the point of 50/50. IIRC there was a recent study that said 2nd round picks had a 50% chance of being a starter after 4 years.
There may be something on Inside the Pylon on this soon.
 

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Section30 said:
Does the analyst on NFLN have a horse fetish or something?
 
So far tonight,
 
"..when you see him on the hoof.."
 
"he's a horse"
 
"when you see him you think thoroughbred"
Derby weekend
 

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I literally have no idea what the New Orleans Saints have been doing this off season.  Absolutely none. 
 

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Have been watching NFLN rather than ESPN tonight. But saw reference to a report from Ed Werder that a number of teams think Gregory has mental health issues. Sad if true.
 

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dcmissle said:
Have been watching NFLN rather than ESPN tonight. But saw reference to a report from Ed Werder that a number of teams think Gregory has mental health issues. Sad if true.
He might be able to get a job in the Saints front office if playing doesn't work out.
 

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Saints drafted a QB that has broke his collar bone three times, once while picking up a couch. So let's have some the biggest, fastest, most athletic men on the planet hit him in the NFL. Brilliant?
 

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Deathofthebambino said:
I literally have no idea what the New Orleans Saints have been doing this off season.  Absolutely none. 
 
Eh, whatever they're doing, it can't possibly be worse than last off-season.
 

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tims4wins said:
You are right we don't. But as with Tavon, if it doesn't work out, BB deserves a lot of criticism
 
Against what standard, though?  The net of his selections is the best run in the history (or at least the modern history) of the NFL.   Would you really advocate changing the approach overall?
 

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PedroKsBambino said:
 
Against what standard, though?  The net of his selections is the best run in the history (or at least the modern history) of the NFL.   Would you really advocate changing the approach overall?
Again I am a BB fanboy. Like / understand 90% of what he does in draft. But his secondary drafting has been questionable. Agree?
 

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Isn't there a flip side t this coin.

When kiper and company project guys around 50.........and the go around 50. Or to be more fair 75-90% of the time they say "dude x is going bottom of the 2nd top of the 3rd.".....and they do.

But when BB picks a guy 3 rounds earlier then projected....well then BB is obviously getting the guy before other teams take him.

20 picks.....ok maybe you have a point. A round early? Sure. But the projected 7th rounders in the 3rd? (Or more egregious) nope I dont buy it.