The Celtics would get Blake for just Bradley, Yabusele and the Clippers pick with Zeller tossed in to match salary?
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Well this is all made up anyway. But the thinking is what on top of Melo would make Doc want to think about loving Griffin. Melo + Bradley + a 1st rounder is a decent return.
The rest is just throwing Phil something to save face
Sam Amick @sam_amick 15m15 minutes ago
Sixers & Pelicans in talks about sending Jahlil Okafor to New Orleans. Philly pushing for NO 1st rounder. Story coming at @USATODAYsports
Marc J. Spears @MarcJSpearsESPN 6m6 minutes ago
Sixers could be getting back unhappy center Alexis Ajinca and a future 1st round pick in a Jahlil Okafor trade to New Orleans, a source said
Sixers & Pelicans in talks about sending Jahlil Okafor to New Orleans. Philly pushing for NO 1st rounder. Story coming at @USATODAYsports
Marc J. Spears @MarcJSpearsESPN 6m6 minutes ago
Sixers could be getting back unhappy center Alexis Ajinca and a future 1st round pick in a Jahlil Okafor trade to New Orleans, a source said
Tough to say without knowing how far into the future, but If that pick is not lottery protected, New Orleans is insane.
Anthony Davis is one of the few players in the league that would actually cover for Okafor's flaws. Still, that's a bad trade for the Pels unless there is heavy protection on the pick. They need patience in building a team around Davis and coughing up another first rounder probably isn't the best idea.
well, sure - guess I'm really asking do we expect Pels to make steady improvement over next few seasons?
I'm sure this is being discussed in the Philly thread, but Philly has to convert Okafor into future value - and I don't think Okafor is a bust
Okafor being traded to NO would be a godsend for his career. I could see him developing into a Kanter/Monroe type without the rebounding, which shouldn't be an issue with Anthony Davis.
Dell Demps is trying to save his job and is going to cost the Pelicans any chance of building a contender around Davis.
It's a damn shame.
It's a damn shame.
Depends if the picks are protected or not really. Okafor is a decent gamble to take if it's something like the 22nd pick in the draft. Of course, NO could be bad for the next 3-4 years and protection runs out.
Demps didn't exactly get off on the right foot when he selected Hield over Jamal Murray or Marquise Chriss. Or Sabonis for that matter. The Pelicans might as well trade Jrue Holiday for Okafor, who is under team control for the next several years, Holiday isn't resigning with the Pelicans in any event, unless it is a massive overpay. Meanwhile, Asik and Ajinca are useless and the the contract Demps gave to Solomon Hill is incomprehensible.
They had no chance to build a contender around Davis before the proposed Okafor trade, and they will have no chance afterwards.
Very true. Maybe the NBA will introduce the owner to a Coangelo... If the Pels aren't going to ship AD to Boston, ha ha, I want them to build a winner around him, and that looks like a lost cause right now and more hastily made moves will kill the chance.
They need to save their draft picks and build through the draft. Full stop. Trading a 1st rounder for Okafor and middling in the Western Conference is the exact opposite path to building a winner. As the new CBA incentivizes players to re-sign with their own team even more than before, it is imperative that teams develop their own talent.
I've spoken with Demps in a public setting and he's someone that thinks he's smarter than he is and won't admit to making mistakes. These are qualities I detest in anyone and I believe is the #1 reason the Pelicans are in the situation they are in. Tom Benson is senile and his wife is running the show and doesn't care about the Pelicans vis a vis the Saints.
Mickey Loomis an NFL GM, elevated to President and who is supposed to be over the Pels but in reality, delegates almost entirely to Demps and ops. The leadership surrounding the Pelicans is not strong and they have a moron running the show. I fear we have another pre-Boston KG career arc coming for Davis.
Certainly if it ended with Davis in Celtics Green that would be good but the idea that a team can have a top three player and be unable over the course of 8-10 years build a successful winner around him is depressing.
Is there a better investment than a first round pick from a team managed by Demps? If I were Boston I'd be trying to horn in on the action to get the 2018 #1, because that and the Nets #1 will be a great starting point for the coming Anthony Davis trade.
Under the new CBA, Anthony Davis needs to be willing to say no to a huge amount of money to leave New Orleans.
Once you've made your money, playing for a title becomes a little higher on the priority list. Put another way, that organisation is so gawdawful at this point that I'll be unsurprised when he tells them "I'm leaving, so you should trade me to a better team."
Yeah, I understand the logic. But this is an entirely different caliber of money than we've seen in past CBAs. Under the new CBA a 6 year extension would be worth almost $275 million. The difference is over $50 million even if you ignore the extra year.
If Davis (or anyone) is traded in his rookie contract, isn't he eligible for the same raises with new team?
I think that GMB is saying that New Orleans will play chicken with Davis in order to force him to stay. I'm just not sure that that will be all that productive when they can trade him to Boston for DeAndre Ayton in the summer of 2018.
Davis isn't playing on his rookie contract. He signed a five-year max extension in July 2015. He would not be eligible for the Super Max if traded.
With Davis under contract through 2021 there is no way New Orleans ever trades him.
Phil and Carmelo deserve each other. Phil in New York has overstepped his boundaries; he was a terrific coach but his best assets were managing personalities and getting great players to trust each other. He isn't a team builder, never has been and wasn't going to suddenly become one in his 70s while running a team from 3,200 miles away.
Melo just isn't a winning player. He wants to do some things in his career and that is play in a big market, be seen as a businessman and score points. None of those goals have been conducive to winning throughout his career.
Melo just isn't a winning player. He wants to do some things in his career and that is play in a big market, be seen as a businessman and score points. None of those goals have been conducive to winning throughout his career.
I find this Phil stuff interesting.
You're trying to get the guy to drop his no trade clause to get him out of town to start a rebuild. What do you do? Trash him, call him out for being someone who doesn't want to win and can't change (those lovely leopard spots).
That's just what they needed to do to convince Cleveland to give up Love.
You're trying to get the guy to drop his no trade clause to get him out of town to start a rebuild. What do you do? Trash him, call him out for being someone who doesn't want to win and can't change (those lovely leopard spots).
That's just what they needed to do to convince Cleveland to give up Love.
Just waiting for Phil to instruct Hornacek to bench Melo until he waives his no-trade to go to OKC or some other similar shitty locale
I think one of two things is going on:
1. Phil really is out of his depth and can't control himself and is foolishly raising the profile of his disagreement with Carmelo, reducing the willingness of other teams to take him (and pay value for him)
2. Carmelo has blocked/said he will absoultely block deals Phil wants to make with him and Phil is trying to make it more untenable for Carmelo to stay in NYC, hoping that accelerates a deal
I think 1 is more likely but 2 could well be in play too.
Yeah, #2 is the only thing that makes sense. He may have decided he's going to get rid of Melo, not caring whether he tanks his trade value or not (since it's not great to begin with). Maybe Phil decided he doesn't care if he gets a Jordan Mickey instead of a Terry Rozier-type prospect in return.
He's not getting Kevin Love. He's not getting a Brooklyn pick. He's going to get a pupu platter from someone like the Clippers and he's trying to get Melo to to accept leaving NYC.
But yeah, #1 isn't out of the question, either.
I hear Phil has been taking management lessons from the Bruins orginazation.
Zeller, Johnson and Jerebko works salary wise. I wouldn't add picks to it, but if Phil wants him gone so bad, I'd do that and then find a big man elsewhere to back fill. It wouldn't shock me to see Melo step it up a notch in a more competitive situation with better coaching.
Well, expiring deals are probably better than Austin River, Wesley Matthews led deal that was talked about.
Phil thinks he's very clever. He's not verbally abusing Melo to decrease his trade value; he's doing it to make the situation so untenable that Melo waives his no trade clause and opens up the bidding to other teams beyond the Clippers, Celtics and Cavs. It's probably not going to work, but it could open up more possibilities than he has right now.
The smoke that's surrounding the Bulls and Jimmy Butler makes me a bit wary.
Logic tells me that if you can acquire a top 10-15 player in his late 20s, whose prime years align with the all stars currently on your team, for a draft pick + asset + filler, you do it
However, the stink surrounding the Bulls allows me to also support the "nah, I'm good.. we'll take a shot at Ball/Fultz/Jackson/Issac" approach.
However, Paul George is a no-brainer to me. Within the structure of Stevens' system and with our current roster, George could easily be 50/40/90 while locking down the other team's best defender.
I can't imagine Indy would trade him.. but if they were open would this get it done:
Brooklyn 2017 Pick
Avery Bradley
Yabusele/Zizic/Another 1st Rd Draft Pick (Indy's Pick)
Logic tells me that if you can acquire a top 10-15 player in his late 20s, whose prime years align with the all stars currently on your team, for a draft pick + asset + filler, you do it
However, the stink surrounding the Bulls allows me to also support the "nah, I'm good.. we'll take a shot at Ball/Fultz/Jackson/Issac" approach.
However, Paul George is a no-brainer to me. Within the structure of Stevens' system and with our current roster, George could easily be 50/40/90 while locking down the other team's best defender.
I can't imagine Indy would trade him.. but if they were open would this get it done:
Brooklyn 2017 Pick
Avery Bradley
Yabusele/Zizic/Another 1st Rd Draft Pick (Indy's Pick)
Shouldn't Indiana be looking to add and not subtract? I guess their problem is they have nothing to trade outside of George, Teague and Turner but that's a solid core.
Miami's potential interest in Ibaka has been getting some play down here:
http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article131653804.html
The rumor is that Orlando wants a young player and a pick. Amir is the perfect salary ballast. Would Yabusele or Rozier plus a pick (2018 Celtics/Memphis/LAC) work for either side?
You would think, but maybe Bird thinks he can get some picks and have them form a core with Turner? Doubtful George gets traded, but I'd give up this years nets pick for him easily.
Unless George demands out he isn't going anywhere. Unfortunately for Boston the one guy that might demand out is the one guy playing for a franchise that would play chicken with him.
So my guess is that plan A is to make a run at Hayward this summer and use the Thomas/Hayward/Horford era to usher in the Smart/Brown/2017 & 2018 lottery pick era. And having those guys earn their way onto the floor on a second tier contender is a pretty good place to be,
So my guess is that plan A is to make a run at Hayward this summer and use the Thomas/Hayward/Horford era to usher in the Smart/Brown/2017 & 2018 lottery pick era. And having those guys earn their way onto the floor on a second tier contender is a pretty good place to be,
This is my hope for the Celts. Don't trade the picks, make the picks and add through Free Agency. Keep the core and build a good to great team in the next 2-3 years with a chance for a juggernaut in the following 4-10.
I get the "wait for free agency" argument, but the flaws are:
-You might not actually get a good FA.
-If you do, they will make a lot more than Butler (18-19 mil for the next two years).
-Even Lonzo Ball and Markelle Fulz are unlikely to be as good as Butler, and you have less than a 50% shot at being a position to get them anyway.
I wouldn't give both BRK picks, but I'd surely let them pick one of them and also give up other picks for Butler. I'd also consider Bradley, who might not fit into the salary structure long term and would be a bit redundant with Butler.
-You might not actually get a good FA.
-If you do, they will make a lot more than Butler (18-19 mil for the next two years).
-Even Lonzo Ball and Markelle Fulz are unlikely to be as good as Butler, and you have less than a 50% shot at being a position to get them anyway.
I wouldn't give both BRK picks, but I'd surely let them pick one of them and also give up other picks for Butler. I'd also consider Bradley, who might not fit into the salary structure long term and would be a bit redundant with Butler.
hope we have enough assets (like Sixers) to weather multiple injuries rather than the Jabari Parker route though (single high pick getting injured multiple times)Let's call this the Ben Cherington method of team building.
I would be all for a Butler trade if one is out there (I mean I was shrieking in frustration draft night in 2011 when they passed on the Marquette guy and Lil' Zeke, to this day I say the Pierce/Garnett Celtics win two more titles if they'd just listened to me that night). I just don't think it is. At least not for anything less than Boston emptying the war chest and risking everything on a 27 year old with a history of missing 15-20 games per year and a 5'8" guard.
So while everyone understands that they might not get the ideal guy next summer, Boston's best bet still looks like using the cap space as best they can and then letting the top five picks play their way into the rotation of a second or third tier team.
The biggest problem with the free agency thing is that the new CBA is going to make free agency pretty much extinct when it comes to guys moving teams. It won't be the frenzy July 4th fun it has always been unfortunately
That's not true actually. With the superstars yes, but there will be a lot of fireworks still with the non all-NBA team players.