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Perhaps I'm crazy and ill-informed, but considering Thomas' rise this year, I'm curious to know how far a Celtics team lead by IT/Boogie could go over the next 3-5 years. The risk has been well discussed, but Isaiah may be one of the few players that can "keep him in check".
 
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Perhaps I'm crazy and ill-informed, but considering Thomas' rise this year, I'm curious to know how far a Celtics team lead by IT/Boogie could go over the next 3-5 years. The risk has been well discussed, but Isaiah may be one of the few players that can "keep him in check".
Probably not very far? IT has probably 2 more years tops before he enters what is likely to be a pretty rapid decline phase, Boogie is terrific, but what are you giving up, and how badly will it gut the team's depth? Beyond that, I don't really like the Boogie/Horford fit defensively, especially as Horford ages.

Also... IT didn't "keep him in check" the last time they were teammates at all, so I don't think there is any hope of that.
The only person who can keep Boogie in check is Boogie.
 

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By all accounts Boogie isn't available so this discussion is pointless.

However were he to be made available, you pull the trigger on a trade because the guy is a transformational talent entering his peak years. Furthermore, he fills about the biggest whole the Celtics have and fits well, on paper, with the rest of the roster. There are concerns about his behavior but the Kings are almost the polar opposite of the Celtics in terms of stability, team culture and the number of former players who are around the organization to support their rich history. I know they aren't similar personalities but there were questions about KG when he came to Boston and he embraced being a Celtic to his core. We don't know if Boogie would do the same thing but given the strength of leadership at the top of the club, the odds favor that outcome.

As you guys may have surmised by now, I am irrational when it comes to Cousins to Boston scenarios so I will stop here. However there is no better potential trade this year than Boogie to the C's. He fits, they have the assets to get it done and he finally gets to play for a GM, coach and team that has a real plan. However Vlade seems intent on keeping him...for now (fingers crossed).
 

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By all accounts Boogie isn't available so this discussion is pointless.

However were he to be made available, you pull the trigger on a trade because the guy is a transformational talent entering his peak years. Furthermore, he fills about the biggest whole the Celtics have and fits well, on paper, with the rest of the roster. There are concerns about his behavior but the Kings are almost the polar opposite of the Celtics in terms of stability, team culture and the number of former players who are around the organization to support their rich history. I know they aren't similar personalities but there were questions about KG when he came to Boston and he embraced being a Celtic to his core. We don't know if Boogie would do the same thing but given the strength of leadership at the top of the club, the odds favor that outcome.

As you guys may have surmised by now, I am irrational when it comes to Cousins to Boston scenarios so I will stop here. However there is no better potential trade this year than Boogie to the C's. He fits, they have the assets to get it done and he finally gets to play for a GM, coach and team that has a real plan. However Vlade seems intent on keeping him...for now (fingers crossed).
Boogie makes me nervous, but at the end of the day I agree with you.
 

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I agree with most of the what you said about Boogie. He is an awesome player and I am bullish about how he'd fit in culture-wise working for a quality franchise. My concern with him is how he'd fit on the court. Neither him or Horford seem like they can handle playing the 4 defensively the way it is played these days. I think Brad could figure it out, but Jimmy Butler seems like a better roster fit from that perspective as our rotation is entirely bereft of guards over 6'4.
 

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My concern with him is how he'd fit on the court. Neither him or Horford seem like they can handle playing the 4 defensively the way it is played these days
l think this concern is overblown. Sure, there are matchup issues with some teams, but more often the matchup issue is more the other way with teams trying to figure out how the fuck they are going to cover both those guys?
 

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l think this concern is overblown. Sure, there are matchup issues with some teams, but more often the matchup issue is more the other way with teams trying to figure out how the fuck they are going to cover both those guys?
Yeah that makes playing the Celtics even more difficult than they already are and I bet very few teams relish having to go up against the Celtics in a seven game series.

On another note, Twitter with lots of noise about Okafor being on the move...

 

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rumours everywhere that Okafor was held out as a trade is close. Several people noted he suddenly was seen shaking all the staff hands etc.

There are even rumours the Lakers are back sniffing agian... weird. Apparently two teams are seriously interested.

OF course Colangelo is full of absolute shite. So.
 

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Well Portland downgraded a position where they were weak, but they did get a late 1st and get out of having to make the RFA decision for another year. This feels like a "we're not going anywhere this year" deal.
 

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Plus Nurkik is only 22 and isn't completely useless. He could develop into something if he can stop turning the ball over and play defense. A Plumlee/Jokic frontcourt is interesting on paper too. 2 really good passing big men.
 

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Plus Nurkik is only 22 and isn't completely useless. He could develop into something if he can stop turning the ball over and play defense. A Plumlee/Jokic frontcourt is interesting on paper too. 2 really good passing big men.
Yes to being 22, no to not being completely useless. Right now he's truly abysmal on defense, and he's a black hole on offense. He's been really terrible. He does have the tools to be better, so we'll see if getting traded wakes him up (apparently his attitude and work ethic have been major negatives in DEN this year).
 

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OH MY GOD! A Nurkic/Okafor frontcourt, with Lillard and McCollum? You could play Kawhi at SF and still have a DRtg of like 125.
 

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Yes to being 22, no to not being completely useless. Right now he's truly abysmal on defense, and he's a black hole on offense. He's been really terrible. He does have the tools to be better, so we'll see if getting traded wakes him up (apparently his attitude and work ethic have been major negatives in DEN this year).
Well, I meant he isn't completely useless in that he has potential. He shouldn't be playing on a team with playoff aspirations... and Portland is only a game behind Denver for the 8 spot. An emerging team that Portland just made even better. Maybe Portland is going to start tanking before everyone else and give Nurkik some burn. They are 4 games ahead of Orlando for the 3rd worst record in the league. Right now they are the projected 10th pick. I'm half kidding. Plumlee doesn't really move the needle enough to tank.
 

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That's a home run deal for Portland. They weren't going to be able to keep Plumlee this summer do to the salary cap/luxury tax implications and they picked up a talented young center and a first round pick in return.
 

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I don't get it for Denver. What are they giving up a first for?
Plumlee is a significantly better player than Nurkic, and they're miles below the floor so they don't have any real concerns about his next deal. Also they were likely going to stash the Griz pick anyway because they have no roster spots.
 

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Plumlee is a significantly better player than Nurkic, and they're miles below the floor so they don't have any real concerns about his next deal. Also they were likely going to stash the Griz pick anyway because they have no roster spots.
Ah yes forgot they were below the floor. They going to keep him as a backup center you think long term?
 

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Ah yes forgot they were below the floor. They going to keep him as a backup center you think long term?
Some people who cover the team think he and Jokic can play together , so he'll likely be the 3rd big, but get something more than normal 3rd big minutes. Matt Moore thinks they'll keep him since he'd be easily movable by the time they need the money for extensions/re-signing.
 

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Any idea what Plumlee gets this offseason? I'm thinking Mahinmi and Mozgov are decent comps so $16-$17 million per?
 

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Any idea what Plumlee gets this offseason? I'm thinking Mahinmi and Mozgov are decent comps so $16-$17 million per?
Maybe, but he's restricted, less teams have money, and less teams with major cap space need a big (MIA, MIN, LAL, PHI all seem unlikely). I think he gets 12-14. Probably depends on if someone falls in love with him. The teams likely to have enough cap to offer his 16M+ are: BOS (doubt it), DAL, BKN. BKN seems the most likely to make a bid and be willing to tie up the cap space on an offer sheet.
 

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Faried and Plumlee don't seem like a good pairing but Faried only plays 23 minutes a night himself and they should be able to mostly avoid that. It'll be interesting to see what Denver does if they are ever fully healthy. They are really deep and someone will be left out of the rotation.
 

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It will be interesting to see where Okafor lands. The Sixers boarded the plane for Charlotte this evening, but apparently Okafor wasn't on it.

On a separate note, Tyler Zeller was a DNP-CD last night even though the Celtics were shorthanded.
 

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It will be interesting to see where Okafor lands. The Sixers boarded the plane for Charlotte this evening, but apparently Okafor wasn't on it.

On a separate note, Tyler Zeller was a DNP-CD last night even though the Celtics were shorthanded.
Really only short-handed in the wing position. Zeller is only going to play in particular matchups when Horford/AMir/Kelly/Jerebko are all healthy. Plus against the Jazz you want to force Gobert and Favors to cover a shooter on the perimeter as much as possible, it's why Jerebko and Olynyk got much more time than Amir.
 

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Bulls and/or Sixers fans making a thing out of Okafor changing his Twitter location from "from Chicago" to simply "Chicago."

Can't imagine a fan base being that obsessed
 

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Would love the Celts to get in on Gallinari

"The Raptors and Clippers are "monitoring" Danilo Gallinari (groin) as the trade deadline approaches, according to ESPN's Marc Stein.

The Nuggets reportedly expect Gallo to opt for free agency this summer, bypassing a $16.1 million player option, so they might try to deal him before that happens. They're negotiating from a position of weakness, however, so it's unclear how much they could extract for the oft-injured veteran. To be clear, this is firmly in the 'rumor' stage."
 

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here's the trade we've been waiting for:

I'm surprised Sixers didn't want the contract to get to the cap floor
Unless this changed in the new CBA, there's no penalty for not hitting the cap floor. The difference is paid out to the players on the roster.
 

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Would love the Celts to get in on Gallinari

"The Raptors and Clippers are "monitoring" Danilo Gallinari (groin) as the trade deadline approaches, according to ESPN's Marc Stein.

The Nuggets reportedly expect Gallo to opt for free agency this summer, bypassing a $16.1 million player option, so they might try to deal him before that happens. They're negotiating from a position of weakness, however, so it's unclear how much they could extract for the oft-injured veteran. To be clear, this is firmly in the 'rumor' stage."
Why would we want to give up anything to a player who has only had one full season injury free in 2009? Who's also probably going to elect to be a FA. He's missed an average of 25 games a year the last 5 years. I bet if he hit the FA market and Danny paid what he ultimately gets this board would explode. He's not the piece that will put us over the top and we won't pay him. Unless it's like our 2nd round top 50 protected it's a waste of assets
 

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I am not sure there is any player we could get that would out us over the top. However, winning a couple playoff series has got to be a goal for this team. And having Gallinari playing the 4 would go a long way in making those wins a reality.

And yes, he is most likely opting out. Denver knows this, so the return for him would be minimal. But also, Gallinari is not a terrible fall back plan this summer should the Celtics miss out on Hayward or any of the proposed trade options
 

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here's the trade we've been waiting for:
Cavs opening up a roster spot. Means that Derrick Williams will be signed for the rest of the year at least.

Williams who is averaging more than 20 mpg and shooting 83% from the floor in his two games wiht the Cavs apparently has been a real asset for them in terms of lineup and defensive versatility.
 

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Not exactly sure where to put this, but perhaps the Cavs opening up a roster space has something to do with this:

"The Cavs did not announce the results of the MRI, nor would they share with whom Love would consult Tuesday. Obviously, the need for more tests and more sets of eyes suggests whatever the Cavs’ doctor saw Sunday in Love’s knee wasn’t optimal. Sources said Love likely suffered the injury — whatever it is — at some point during the Cavs’ recent four-game swing. It’s unclear when he hurt the knee or when team officials learned of the injury, but Love played in Thursday’s loss to Oklahoma City. – via Cleveland Plain Dealer"
 

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Cavs opening up a roster spot. Means that Derrick Williams will be signed for the rest of the year at least.

Williams who is averaging more than 20 mpg and shooting 83% from the floor in his two games wiht the Cavs apparently has been a real asset for them in terms of lineup and defensive versatility.
Probably worth noting that he's 5/6 from the field. Also only has 1 reb in 42 minutes, which is Lopezian.
 

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Honestly, I think none of them. Maybe Melo is the most likely if you still consider him to be an all-star type player. The NBA trade deadline usually seems to be a pretty big bust in terms of legitimate blockbusters.
 

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Woj tweeting that Ibaka has been traded to Raptors for Terrance Ross and 2017 1st round pick


Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojVerticalNBA 8s9 seconds ago
Orlando has agreed to trade Serge Ibaka to Toronto for Terrence Ross and a 2017 first-round pick, league sources tell @TheVertical.
 

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Ibaka would have been a great fit, but there wasn't really a deal to be made for Boston. Boston's trade assets are too valuable to give up for a year of Ibaka.