National Football League of "Merica: Week 1

Jnai

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Why does he go out there? He has one guy to beat.
 

Kliq

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They've turned it over, but I think the play calling for Denver has been text book for a young QB making his first start.
 

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I get that, but when he was at Houston he was terrible, and then last year the Broncos never blew me away. Tonight they are doing some clever stuff.
He had a top 10 offense for like a five year stretch with the Texans. You try winning with Matt Schaub.

Last year was kind of a mess. Peyton couldn't run his O (neither could Brock), so eventually they just went to the same O Peyton has run everywhere.
 

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That's because he wasn't awesome. Unless you're talking about fantasy football. Even then, he was good, not great.

I've made this point before, but he was a guy who put up good numbers because Carolina's offense sucked and they had nobody else to throw to besides him and Olsen. If you break his numbers down and look at his efficiency, he was not good. He just got a lot of targets. They went like 6-10 that year and were playing from behind a lot.

He's a talented guy and could develop into a very good receiver, but the raw numbers from his rookie season look far better than his game tape. He dropped too many passes and caught a lot of garbage time touchdowns.
Yeah, I know the advanced stats guys hated him that year. They hated Allen Robinson too. But that 2014 team was a very, very different team than this Panthers team. Benjamin was literally their only weapon for big chunks of the season. Their entire running corps missed half the season at one time or another, and besides Olson, I don't think anyone else on the team had 25 catches besides the corpse of Jericho Cotchery. Benjamin was facing the best defensive backs the other teams had, with safety help over the top week in and week out. It's only because of his size and talent that he was able to put up any stats. Funchess couldn't do what Benjamin did as a rookie last year, and people are still really high on him. Cam wasn't really even Cam yet at that point, and he missed a couple of games due to injury. Benjamin is going to change this team if he stays healthy, and that should be a scary thought for the rest of the league.
 

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Hearing the Seahawks may have walked back the idea of a teamwide thing on Sunday, possibly noticing that the optics of doing that on 9/11 may not be what they want.
I can't imagine teamwide was ever going to happen. Some big OL from Auburn tries that and he can never go home again.
 

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Is this where I lament that I'm facing Cam in fantasy football this week and you guys tell me no one cares?
 

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That is ludicrous. You would rather he hit him in the back Stingley style???
Darryl Stingley? Are you talking about a hit other than the one from Tatum, because that wasn't in the back.

I'm sure Benjamin, the coaching staff, his teammates and every Panther fan would prefer Stewart hit him anywhere from behind, except the knees. The back, the waist, etc. Stewart didn't need to go that low, but of course, it's pretty well expected from this secondary.
 

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I don't think I've ever seen the "hawk roll" taught on a stationary receiver facing the other direction.
What the fuck are you talking about? He can hit him in the calves, which snaps them, in the hamstrings which is where you are supposed to hit, or in the back which is incredibly dangerous. He hit the hamstrings and went down. You need to learn more about tackling.
 

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Darryl Stingley? Are you talking about a hit other than the one from Tatum, because that wasn't in the back.

I'm sure Benjamin, the coaching staff, his teammates and every Panther fan would prefer Stewart hit him anywhere from behind, except the knees. The back, the waist, etc. Stewart didn't need to go that low, but of course, it's pretty well expected from this secondary.
He hit his hamstrings and went down. Stop clutching your pearls.
 

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He hit his hamstrings and went down. Stop clutching your pearls.
Shit, I forgot you how you post. Say something completely stupid and wrong, like referencing the Stingley hit, get called on it, and then talk nonsense.

When your helmet hits the hamstring and the rest of your body hits the knees, you aren't hitting just the hamstring. Benjamin didn't limp off because his hamstring had a booboo.

Here's the Stingley hit you apparently don't remember:

 

Kliq

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That was a pretty flawless half from Cam and and the Panthers offense. Denver's defense looks worse than I thought without Trevathan, and losing Marshall obviously made things a bit easier. Also looks clear that Denver isn't really going to win many shootouts this year.
 

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Shit, I forgot you how you post. Say something completely stupid and wrong, like referencing the Stingley hit, get called on it, and then talk nonsense.

When your helmet hits the hamstring and the rest of your body hits the knees, you aren't hitting just the hamstring. Benjamin didn't limp off because his hamstring had a booboo.

Here's the Stingley hit you apparently don't remember:

Dickwad, Stingley was hurt because he was hit:

A) high, and
B) when he wasn't expecting it

again, I am sorry you don't get the comp.
 

Deathofthebambino

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Dickwad, Stingley was hurt because he was hit:

A) high, and
B) when he wasn't expecting it

again, I am sorry you don't get the comp.
Glad to see you resort to name calling. You really haven't grown up after all these years huh?

You wrote "You would rather he hit him in the back Stingley style???" Yammer, if you think everyone is stupid enough to believe that you didn't think Stingley got hit in the back when you wrote that, you are still just as dumb as you always were. Clutch those pearls internet tough guy.
 

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That was a pretty flawless half from Cam and and the Panthers offense. Denver's defense looks worse than I thought without Trevathan, and losing Marshall obviously made things a bit easier. Also looks clear that Denver isn't really going to win many shootouts this year.
Yup. Clock has struck midnight with this Broncos team. Look like a 9-7 or so team to me. But then again so did last year's.
 

Byrdbrain

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So who will be taking Costas' place on Sunday after the NFL asks him to GTFO.
 

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Yeah, I know the advanced stats guys hated him that year. They hated Allen Robinson too. But that 2014 team was a very, very different team than this Panthers team. Benjamin was literally their only weapon for big chunks of the season. Their entire running corps missed half the season at one time or another, and besides Olson, I don't think anyone else on the team had 25 catches besides the corpse of Jericho Cotchery. Benjamin was facing the best defensive backs the other teams had, with safety help over the top week in and week out. It's only because of his size and talent that he was able to put up any stats. Funchess couldn't do what Benjamin did as a rookie last year, and people are still really high on him. Cam wasn't really even Cam yet at that point, and he missed a couple of games due to injury. Benjamin is going to change this team if he stays healthy, and that should be a scary thought for the rest of the league.
I don't really see how Allen Robinson is a fair comp. They had completely different roles during their rookie seasons. Same thing with Funchess.

Benjamin put up those numbers because only five players had the ball thrown their way more than he did that season. You throw someone the ball 145 times and they had better put up some numbers. When you look at the stats of the other players who had a similar number of targets, you realize Benjamin's stats really weren't very impressive. And I don't buy the argument that other teams were scheming against him. If anything, he probably got so many targets because teams were scheming against Olsen and would have rather had Cam target Benjamin instead.

I think it's likely Benjamin plays better this season than his rookie year, even though he's likely to put up a less impressive statline. I just don't see him being a game changer. He's a big guy and he uses his body well. He's a solid redzone threat and he'll be tough to defend against smaller secondaries. But he's got some pretty significant holes in his game. He's still pretty raw as a route runner and he's got hands of stone.

I'm not trying to shit on the guy, I just think any talk of him taking this offense to another level is mostly wishful thinking.
 

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Glad to see you resort to name calling. You really haven't grown up after all these years huh?

You wrote "You would rather he hit him in the back Stingley style???" Yammer, if you think everyone is stupid enough to believe that you didn't think Stingley got hit in the back when you wrote that, you are still just as dumb as you always were. Clutch those pearls internet tough guy.
Dude, this is beyond stupid even for you, insanely so. Yeah, the Stingley hit. One of the most important hits in 70s football and football in general. Just stop.

I get that you don't know much about tackling, nor what a hawk roll is and I get that you want to whine about this one but the approach taken by the tackler was, by far, the safest and most effective tackling option for the situation.