Mookie off the DL

[E5 Yaz]

10-day, retroactive to May 29 ... but ab strains don't have a set timetable, so you have to hope that it's a quick recovery.

If the Red Sox weren't restrictive about the luxtax, you'd think this would be a perfect opportunity to give Rusney another chance.

*By the way, if I had to guess, I'd wager that the first one to turn this into a "Is Mookie fragile?" joke-a-thon is likely to get a friendly message in their PM box

 

[dynomite]

Thanks for making a thread out of this. I found this short Herald story helpful:

Timeline:

Betts is the first MLB player to hit the DL with an abdominal issue this year. There were eight last year; three of them returned with two weeks, two returned within four weeks, one within six weeks and two did not return before the season ended.

Cora on not DLing him sooner:

“You have to trust the player, that’s the most important thing,” Cora said. “With him, obviously, with Mookie, we trusted him a few times early in the season and when we said he was going to be ready, he was ready. Probably it’s taking longer than expected but I think him moving around yesterday, doing soft toss and now hitting, I do feel it’s going to be sooner rather than later.”

https://www.bostonherald.com/sports/red_sox/2018/06/mookie_betts_on_disabled_list_with_abdominal_strain?amp

 

[YTF]

10-day, retroactive to May 29 ... but ab strains don't have a set timetable, so you have to hope that it's a quick recovery.

If the Red Sox weren't restrictive about the luxtax, you'd think this would be a perfect opportunity to give Rusney another chance.

*By the way, if I had to guess, I'd wager that the first one to turn this into a "Is Mookie fragile?" joke-a-thon is likely to get a friendly message in their PM box

Not that it matters a whole lot, but I'm curious if there is a reason for him not being retroed back to the 27th which was the first game he missed.

 

[Max Power]

Not that it matters a whole lot, but I'm curious if there is a reason for him not being retroed back to the 27th which was the first game he missed.

I think you're only allowed to backdate three days on a 10-day DL stint.

This isn't a surprising outcome at all. Whenever you hear about side injuries or "if this were September, he'd be playing," it's the kiss of death.

 

[mauidano]

I think you're only allowed to backdate three days on a 10-day DL stint.

This isn't a surprising outcome at all. Whenever you hear about side injuries or "if this were September, he'd be playing," it's the kiss of death.

Yeah, this whole thing has me a bit perturbed on the thought process. You know it wasn't gonna be "just a few days" early enough in this. Don't "trust" the player. Trust the process and your medical guys. With Pedey unable to play we were roster short a couple of guys going into Houston. Every game is important.

 

[reggiecleveland]

Sadly this sounds like Nomar in 04, "if the playoffs were tomorrow he'd play."

 

[EricFeczko]

10-day, retroactive to May 29 ... but ab strains don't have a set timetable, so you have to hope that it's a quick recovery.

If the Red Sox weren't restrictive about the luxtax, you'd think this would be a perfect opportunity to give Rusney another chance.

*By the way, if I had to guess, I'd wager that the first one to turn this into a "Is Mookie fragile?" joke-a-thon is likely to get a friendly message in their PM box

I don't know if I'd give Rusney a chance; he's shown none of the power he demonstrated in 300 PAs at AAA last year (currently at .086 ISO I think right now). Might as well try Cole Sturgeon or Jeremy Barfield first, I would think.

EDIT: Oh, we totally jinxed it in that mookie thread; I'll be the first to admit to blame there.

 

[Cuzittt]

It would be highly difficult to try Jeremy Barfield first... who is no longer in the organization.

 

[Plympton91]

This sucks. That is all.

 

[lexrageorge]

Yeah, this whole thing has me a bit perturbed on the thought process. You know it wasn't gonna be "just a few days" early enough in this. Don't "trust" the player. Trust the process and your medical guys. With Pedey unable to play we were roster short a couple of guys going into Houston. Every game is important.

It's not always possible to know if an injury is going to be 3 or 4 days, or if it's going to take longer. Crystal balls don't exist.

 

[joe dokes]

Yeah, this whole thing has me a bit perturbed on the thought process. You know it wasn't gonna be "just a few days" early enough in this. Don't "trust" the player. Trust the process and your medical guys. With Pedey unable to play we were roster short a couple of guys going into Houston. Every game is important.

You're implying that mookie said "I think it'll only be a few days," and that the medical staff disagreed. I might've missed it, but is there any evidence that's true?
If they were pretty sure mookie was wrong, do you really think they wouldn't have DLd him sooner?
Sometimes, the options aren't as clear as we think they are or would like them to be.

 

[YTF]

Yeah, this whole thing has me a bit perturbed on the thought process. You know it wasn't gonna be "just a few days" early enough in this. Don't "trust" the player. Trust the process and your medical guys. With Pedey unable to play we were roster short a couple of guys going into Houston. Every game is important.

It's not always possible to know if an injury is going to be 3 or 4 days, or if it's going to take longer. Crystal balls don't exist.

You're implying that mookie said "I think it'll only be a few days," and that the medical staff disagreed. I might've missed it, but is there any evidence that's true?
If they were pretty sure mookie was wrong, do you really think they wouldn't have DLd him sooner?
Sometimes, the options aren't as clear as we think they are or would like them to be.

Is it at all possible to agree with all three of you? The 10 day DL makes this a little easier to call than the 15 day, no? After 3 days you must have a fairly good sense of if it's going to be one more day. At that point why not pull the trigger affording yourself the earliest comeback time possible while allowing your MVP caliber star a few extras days should he seem OK before the 10 day period ?

 

[Harry Hooper]

When he couldn't even swing a bat after 3 days, it was time for the DL stint. It doesn't matter what Mookie was saying.

 

[joe dokes]

Is it at all possible to agree with all three of you? The 10 day DL makes this a little easier to call than the 15 day, no? After 3 days you must have a fairly good sense of if it's going to be one more day. At that point why not pull the trigger affording yourself the earliest comeback time possible while allowing your MVP caliber star a few extras days should he seem OK before the 10 day period ?

Unofortunately, his mvp-ness might make the gamble of a lost backdate day or 2 worth the possibility of a few extra games that he would have missed healthy if he was DLd and ready.
It's probably an easier call with an expendable crew member.

 

[Red(s)HawksFan]

Unofortunately, his mvp-ness might make the gamble of a lost backdate day or 2 worth the possibility of a few extra games that he would have missed healthy if he was DLd and ready.
It's probably an easier call with an expendable crew member.

I think this is exactly it. If this had been Holt or Nunez or even JBJ, they probably are much quicker with the DL trigger.

Also, I think the odds are pretty slim that if it is something that isn't healed up in 3-5 days, it's something that would have healed up in 8-10 days where the lost back-dating causes him to miss games when he's 100% ready to go.

 

[YTF]

It's also easy for us to play woulda, coulda, shoulda when the bench situation was further complicted by Pedroia going on the DL at the same time.

 

[Pozo the Clown]

He's back!!! You better, you better, you Betts!!!

https://sports.yahoo.com/red-sox-lineup-gets-much-200858822.html

 

[MakeMineMoxie]

I'm very glad he's back but the downside is, we have to listen to DOB tell us a million times how well he's hit against the O's.

 

[koufax32]

I assume someone is already working on a Showalter face being put over Rex Ryan’s in the headset slam GIF.

 

[Byrdbrain]

I'm very glad he's back but the downside is, we have to listen to DOB tell us a million times how well he's hit against the O's.

Seems like it's worth it.
I'm glad they decided against the rehab, I understand him wanting to do it but they really need a whole lot less Swihart.

 

[AB in DC]

Maybe they can DH him for a couple of games to reduce the risk of reinjury.

I'd rather have Mookie at bat / JD in the outfield than Swihart at both.

 

[mfried]

Maybe they can DH him for a couple of games to reduce the risk of reinjury.

I'd rather have Mookie at bat / JD in the outfield than Swihart at both.

Don't you mean Swihart at either? Are we seeing the beginning of the end of the Swihart era?

 

[NAR29996]

Don't you mean Swihart at either? Are we seeing the beginning of the end of the Swihart era?

I think that Swihart stays for reasons mentioned extensively on this site.

 

[Savin Hillbilly]

Maybe they can DH him for a couple of games to reduce the risk of reinjury.

This might reflect my ignorance, but wouldn't a left-side abdominal strain be more likely aggravated by swinging a bat than fielding?

 

[Red(s)HawksFan]

He's been declared healthy enough to play. He's hit BP for the last three days, he's been doing shagging flies and running drills as well. There's no reason to think he needs to be brought along slowly or treated carefully. If he says he's good to hit and play the field, he is.

 

[Remagellan]

Yes, the careful part of his return was keeping him off the field for this long. If he’s back in the lineup, he’s ready for full duty.

 

[uk_sox_fan]

His OPS for the month is 400?!! Bench the bum now and get Travis back up here. At least his wRC+ is positive!

 

[21st Century Sox]

Crap. Mookie sitting tonight.

 

[AB in DC]

That's why I wanted him to DH for the first few games.rather than having to take days off.

 

[TFisNEXT]

That's why I wanted him to DH for the first few games.rather than having to take days off.

He said hitting was the only thing that was tough for him, so not sure how much help DHing would be. It sounded like they were going to sit him today all along.

 

[richgedman'sghost]

I missed the post game last night. Was the double switch with Holt/Leon planned all along or was it because Mookie felt a twinge?

 

[bosockboy]

Day game tomorrow also....probably precautionary.

 

[Red(s)HawksFan]

I missed the post game last night. Was the double switch with Holt/Leon planned all along or was it because Mookie felt a twinge?

Unplanned but also not caused by pain or injury. Cora said after the game that it was his call. He didn't want Mookie overdoing it in his first game back, especially once the went to extras.