I pick him 34 every mock draft he's there, just seems like a perfect fit, young needs technique work, athletic, real potential to be a long-term starting LT.
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On th brighter side, though, it looks like this is Eliot Wolf's football operation more so than Mayo's.
I like Mayo and as a Pats fan, I want him to succeed. The burning cash comment was not great but I like that he is authentic. I live in the KC area and I am still amazed when I hear Andy Reid list all the Chief's injuries and speak about the timetable of the injured guys returning. BB would never do something like that. Mayo has to be himself and if he overshares and it hurts him, I expect him to learn from the experience. We have to let the guy grow into the job.
Would you feel any better if he'd just come out and mumbled surly platitudes about "just whatever is good for the team." Then you'd have neither words nor head coaching available to make your evaluation. I think it's probably better to wait and see how he fucks up the first play in the first exhibition game before deciding he's out of his depth. No reason to let him ruin your spring, in addition to the inevitable summer and fall failure.
But so far he has said stuff and had to say a lot more stuff to walk it back, clarify, or otherwise double down. It makes him appear completely over his head. And there's literally no benefit to it.
I have no idea how good of a HC he will be. I do know he is not coming across all that great so far when he makes needless media gaffes.
I think the only thing that he had to walk back was a throwaway comment about spending a lot of cash this offseason. Still, if there are quotes people don’t like, it would be good if people could point them out rather than assuming everyone knows which comments are being discussed. Not everyone listens to 98.5 or whatever.
And the thing about the opening cash comment is that it was just missing a qualifier about "we can spend as much cash as we feel will make our team better." There's still plenty of time left in this offseason for possible trades that turn into big cash signings.
Co-Sign. I don't think there's much to complain about outside what is ultimately a fairly innocuous comment about "burning cash." Is it possible people re freaked out simply b/c Mayo is so different in style and temperament from BB? What tangible ANYTHING has he done or said that is of actual concern?
Some people just want to buy the first tickets for the "we're doomed" train
Or, you know, people actually know what they are talking about. Some people just want to buy the first ticket for the "everyone is overreacting" train.
You honestly think it's possible to tell how good a coach Mayo is going to be at this point, based on how he's talked to the media?
I think it's all we have to go off right now and nobody is claiming he'll be a bad coach. Go back and read what people are saying and actually contribute.
My comments were part of the tangent that sprung from this post
It's certainly no surprise to me that you singled me out among those who responded to this line of thinking, though.
Have a nice day
Which has close to zero correlation with his coaching ability. If you wish he'd shut up more, that's fine. YMMV. Plenty of unsuccessful coaches have talked a good game; and plenty of good ones have not.
I think that a good rule of thumb when posting is to ask yourself: "is what I'm writing the subject of conversation on sports talk radio right now?". If it is, perhaps don't post it.
If I misinterpreted (or overinterpreted) the phrase "in over his head" (in the context of the rest of the post that used it) to refer to coaching acumen, rather than ability to talk to the press, then my bad. (But I don't think I did.)
Eh, sports talk is all over both the Sox and Pats for the offseasons they have had. Should we not be discussing it here?
(or I assume it is, I don't listen to any sports radio)
I think that there's overlap in what's good discussion certainly, but we have very different objectives from Felger et al.
But yet none of these supposed people that supposedly know what they are talking about can provide any quotes from Mayo other than the one example of "spending money", which has been discussed already.
Yeah, it is silly season with overreactions, sky is falling doom and gloom, sniping at each other, parsing of words that will have zero effect on the upcoming season, and little happening at the moment so a ton of talking about the same thing over and over.
The draft and camp are still a ways off. Sigh.
When it comes to coaches and players, I find very little information that happens off the field as relevant to how they will perform on the field. They aren't choir boys, they aren't PR experts, they aren't role models and if folks start from there and ignore the noise, they'll be better off for it.
We have currently very little evidence of how Mayo will be as a head coach, but we certainly have plenty of evidence that he knows how to coach, we know he worked his ass off as a player and was a leader on and off the field. We also know he was a pretty darn good player. Will it translate to him being a good head coach, which is in large part, managing a massive organization with a lot of people and moving parts? Who the fuck knows and if he muffed a line in a press conference, it won't mean shit if the Pats go out and play well or play poorly.
It's no different than the constant breaking draft news, the Pats have made their decision, the Pats are definitely taking a QB, or the Pats aren't interested in XXX and might trade down or so and so said this other guy was a big meanie. We can certainly discuss what we would do if we were in their situation, we can discuss what we think about player X based on what we've seen of him, but relying on second hand sources about shit that has no fucking bearing on success/failure on the field is a waste of time, but YMMV.
SoSH started as a place to lower the signal to noise ratio. 20+ years later, the landscape of media has changed so much that there is even more fucking noise than there was then, so it requires more vigilance to ignore it.
We have currently very little evidence of how Mayo will be as a head coach, but we certainly have plenty of evidence that he knows how to coach, we know he worked his ass off as a player and was a leader on and off the field. We also know he was a pretty darn good player. Will it translate to him being a good head coach, which is in large part, managing a massive organization with a lot of people and moving parts? Who the fuck knows and if he muffed a line in a press conference, it won't mean shit if the Pats go out and play well or play poorly.
It's no different than the constant breaking draft news, the Pats have made their decision, the Pats are definitely taking a QB, or the Pats aren't interested in XXX and might trade down or so and so said this other guy was a big meanie. We can certainly discuss what we would do if we were in their situation, we can discuss what we think about player X based on what we've seen of him, but relying on second hand sources about shit that has no fucking bearing on success/failure on the field is a waste of time, but YMMV.
SoSH started as a place to lower the signal to noise ratio. 20+ years later, the landscape of media has changed so much that there is even more fucking noise than there was then, so it requires more vigilance to ignore it.
I want to take this post out to a nice tapas restaurant, preferably one with live music.
Simple reality is almost everyone who gets a major promotion to a position they’ve never worked is in over their head in the first year. I don’t really care how Mayo looks right now, I care that he learns and adjusts. He knows football. He knows how to coach. I’d bet he’ll learn and get better at the ancillary parts of his job. He isn’t a finished product so nothing should be that alarming this year unless he starts saying stuff like, “I want to build an offense around JuJu”.
But I don’t begrudge people for trying to read tea leaves. Not everyone handles a promotion well so we’ll just have to wait and see and hope for the best.
But I don’t begrudge people for trying to read tea leaves. Not everyone handles a promotion well so we’ll just have to wait and see and hope for the best.
In Mayo's defense, none other than Bill Fucking Belichick drafted him in the top 10, made him a captain in year 2, and then hired him as basically the defensive coordinator despite having zero prior head coaching experience.
It’s a good point. Everyone slobbered over Mike McDaniel for his offensive genius and ping pong powwows his first season, before he let his QBs and defense get systematically destroyed. By the end of the year he was vaping on the sidelines mid game and having Skylar Thompson throw 45 passes in a playoff game.
Did Mayo say something beyond “burn some cash” that people have concerns about?
media/fans : BB doesn’t respect us and owes an explanation during his press conferences
<BB fired>
media/fans: Can you believe all the stupid shit mayo says to the press?
media/fans : BB doesn’t respect us and owes an explanation during his press conferences
<BB fired>
media/fans: Can you believe all the stupid shit mayo says to the press?
What are the odds that the delta between Wolf and BB as GM is greater than the delta between BB and Mayo as HC?
Isn't it stuff like this?
View: https://twitter.com/iambrianhines/status/1772231154516595026
And then stuff like hearing about how "he acts just like one of the guys" as supposedly said by free agents during visits.
I don't think any other gaffs like the "burn some cash" statement, but just some frustration with a seeming disrespect for Belichick, closeness to Kraft (which makes you wonder if he was whispering in his ear the past couple of years), and whether he has the demeaner to be a successful coach.
I'm not passing any judgement myself, but I can squint and see where some of the concern is coming from.
Nope. The side the tight end lines up on typically depends on the play being called.
Well, a much tougher schedule could mean more losses even if the team hasn’t declined.
McDaniel wasn't slobbered over for that, although that was his rep. He was slobbered over by the media for pithy quotes and modern drip. "So refreshing!" Even now I don't think he gets nearly enough shit for the Skylar Thompson Experience, or the complete lack of competitiveness against KC just because it was cold. His lack of criticism for those failures is largely why many coaches adapt a media-friendly or easily defined public persona. Why is Coach Hardo still employed? Because he's BUFFALO TOUGH and scowls etc etc etc.
I don't disagree with Mayo's pedigree that others have pointed out, but it also bears noting that pedigree and work as a coordinator don't guarantee success as a HC, or else Josh McDaniels would be going to the Hall of Fame. I think it's a very natural concern to see how a first-time coach does, after the biggest organizational shakeup in more than a generation, with seemingly many cooks working the stoves.
Of course it's a natural concern as a first year HC on the sidelines. But folks using the "burn some cash" line and then walking that quote back as a reason he might be in over his head on the sidelines during the games provides no support for that narrative. That line was drawn and why most of us are pointing to talk radio nonsense and silly season.
I don't listen to talk radio, because I am a sane person.
We are all allowed to make judgements based on what we see. I don't want Mayo to be another Belichick. I want him to be himself. I also want him to avoid media pratfalls even if they are minor.
If he uses "pumped and jacked" I reserve the right to make Pete Caroll comparisons to the end of eternity.
Quelle coincidence.
I don't listen to talk radio and I would like Michael Felger to be covered in honey and then devoured by ants.
I don't listen to talk radio and I would like Michael Felger to be covered in honey and then devoured by ants.
Sports talk radio is terrible in LA as well. I would rather listen to the 1877 kars for kids commercial on endless repeat than listen to any sports talk radio
I'm guessing Hardo is still employed because the Bills have been to the playoffs in 6 of the 7 seasons he's been there, and have won the division 4 years in a row. They're 73-41 since he took over, and they're only losing season was Josh Allen's rookie year.
He's produced better results since 2017 than Harbaugh has produced since 2013 with the Ravens.
If the only real measure of success is winning Super Bowls, well, the list of good coaches is going to be very small.
Compare Hardo's resume to guys like Harbaugh, Tomlin, Carroll over the last decade or so, and you won't see much difference and these are guys that are routinely considered the best in the game (non BB/Andy Reid division). Shanahan gets a ton of praise, but all he's really done is won two conference championship games that guys like Hardo, Harbaugh and Tomlin have lost.
It's a lot of fun to shit all over guys like Hardo, and i do plenty of it, particularly when watching some of his in game decisions, but Buffalo with him there is in a better position, IMO, than what, 85% of the teams in the NFL? We were so blessed for so long. We can only hope that Mayo has the success of Hardo.
But Hardo is in exactly the position Andy Reid was in Philly, where he can put together good regular season teams and the constantly falls on his face in the postseason. He also fires assistants like mad and blames them for his own defensive playcalling failures. The dude loses home playoff games like it's the hot new fashion. He's a very flawed coach being propped up by a great QB and his flaws are always exposed in the postseason. And if Reddit is to be believed, there's a large portion of Bills fans who are done with the guy.
I wouldn't hire Hardo to run a Dairy Queen. He's a fucking clown.
If Mayo becomes Hardo I will be appalled, not for the W-L record but for the cultivation of a gross public persona that is solely designed to deflect criticism.
I wouldn't hire Hardo to run a Dairy Queen. He's a fucking clown.
If Mayo becomes Hardo I will be appalled, not for the W-L record but for the cultivation of a gross public persona that is solely designed to deflect criticism.
Mayo talking about the different ways to help the development of a young QB, including that those factors extend to coaching, is in no way controversial. Mac Jones can suck all on his own, we've covered that here plenty, but an oblique reference to surrounding him with coaches (that he tactfully doesn't name) who didn't even coach that side of the ball (Mayo doesn't even say this part at all, it's just the obvious implication) is absolutely the LEAST he should/can say. I have zero problem whatsoever with that. I appreciate his acknowledging the role ALL of it can play in a young player's development. It's important not just to DO, but to say out loud. To pretend that that is somehow irresponsible or a sign of inexperience is kind of head-in-the-sand and baffling to me.
I could care less what Bills fans (or any other fans have to say), this is the talk radio portion of the noise and I don't care about what assistants he fires because we have no idea what happens in the locker room. The only thing we have are the results on the field. The point is the guy has made the playoffs in 6 of 7 seasons and won the division four years in a row. You keep coming at this as "playoff failure," so I'll ask, outside of Andy Reid and Bill Belichick, who else has been more successful over that time period? And of course, Andy Reid and Bill had Mahomes and Brady, so the idea of a coach being propped up by a great QB kind of applies to any coach that wins on a regular basis. Philly had to go to Chip fucking Kelly after they fired Reid, before they got Pederson, who had a magical season and was fired 3 years later after a 4-11-1 season.
Since Hardo took over, in 7 seasons, they've lost in the WC twice, the divisional round 3 times and once in the conference champ.
Since 2013, in 11 seasons, the great Jim Harbaugh's team has lost in the WC twice, the divisional round 3 times and once in the conference champ.
Since 2011, in 13 seasons, the great Mike Tomlin's team has lost in the WC 5 times, the divisional round twice and once in the conference champ.
My only point is I think you're looking for more out of coaches than is realistic. If Hardo is the kind of guy you fire and don't let run a Dairy Queen, what's that say about the 100 other coaches that have been less successful than he has over the course of the last 7 yearsm, a bunch of whom even had "great" quarterbacks that could have propped them up, and who are you going to bring in to replace him that would be better (outside of maybe BB if he decides to coach again)?
And don't get me wrong, I hate Hardo and hope he continues to fall on his face in the playoffs, but every year, only 1 coach wins the SB and only one other coach makes it to the SB. If everything else is a failure of coaching, then our coaching carousel thread should be spinning like a top at all times.
I don't consider either Harbaugh or Tomlin to be great and think both have far outlasted their useful coaching timelines in their cities. Harbaugh in particular is the most overrated coach in this century.
There is absolutely nothing in Hardo's coaching history to make me think he's a good coach, W-L record be damned. He has done far more to hinder his team than to help it. He had had an immense amount of talent at his disposal and somehow consistently manages to make it less than the sum of its parts.
I would rather go 4-13 every year than have Hardo as the coach of the Pats. He is a clown and always will be.
There is absolutely nothing in Hardo's coaching history to make me think he's a good coach, W-L record be damned. He has done far more to hinder his team than to help it. He had had an immense amount of talent at his disposal and somehow consistently manages to make it less than the sum of its parts.
I would rather go 4-13 every year than have Hardo as the coach of the Pats. He is a clown and always will be.
This is neither here nor there, has no bearing on how Mayo will do as a HC, and is not at all uncommon in coaching... but Mayo seems to have put on a decent amount of weight since he started coaching.
It's a stressful job that usually leads to poor personal habits. I hope he is able to manage his weight for his own sake and that of his family's.