Literally a fact. The offensive players stink. The Pats have guys that might not be on any other NFL roster. Definitely Parker, maybe Juju and Mac.
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Hunter Henry has 1 catch for 7 yards over the last two weeks combined, and he couldn't block half the posters in this forum. When he did try to make a block today, it cost us a 74 yard touchdown. Gesicki, our big tight end receiving threat has 7 catches for 75 yards in the last 4 games, and they wouldn't dare ask him to block someone.
Nobody should be surprised that these kinds of guys, and Ty fucking Montgomery are available in the NFL. It's because they fucking suck. Maybe if James Robinson had worked out, things would be better.
Fucking Zeke Elliott is our best offensive player. Bourne flashes here and there, but not nearly enough and again, we're talking about a guy whose team let him go and their offense got better.
They seem to love him for some reason. Only guy on the team who consistently gets WR1 type snaps. Dude sucks. Next play he makes will be his first.
Because we don't have anyone better?
BTW, if we are tallying up the impact of the speedier WRs the Pats added and the Malik package:
1. Tyquan Thornton caught his only target for a 6 yard gain.
2. Jalen Reagor got some snaps but was not targeted.
3. Cunningham got some snaps at WR but was not targeted.
Cunningham was on the field as QB for, I think, 3 snaps. One where he handed off for a 1 yard run. Another where he was met immeidately in the backfied for a 5-yard sack. And the Zeke touchdown, where went in motion and Zeke took the direct snap.
If they are smart, they continue to let him fly the plane straight into the ground. It’s for the best.
Maybe we need to start doing a non-goat thread instead. Would be short and sweet
FWIW, as much as I think the O around him is a raging tire fire, I still don’t think Mac is near good enough. He had Thornton deep and threw it 3 yards OOB. And that pass to Montgomery was a pick 6 that thankfully didn’t happen.
Why is #1 relevant? Either he’s worth the money or he isn’t. I don’t get giving an extension to a guy his age and production. Just let him play out 2023 and move on.
Because Bill has become an utterly awful GM when it comes to offense. That’s it.
Well, I'm not BB the football genius so I really couldn't say why they signed him.
Now in last place by two games. If Belichick was kind of on warning going into this season, how can he possibly return next year? Will be awkward if he’s not at Brady’s silly party in June, but I can’t imagine Kraft is going to tolerate what looks like a 3-4 win season at best after all the talk about how disappointed he was in the last few years.
I am starting to wonder if you have some inside information since Bill hasn’t given his press conference yet. It’s usually right after the game on a road loss. Game ended awhile ago.
He’s probably in his office coming up with grumpy zingers that he can snort out.
Yeah, he didn’t help. Mac could have gone in motion for the Zeke TD.
Though maybe they’d run some option plays or something….
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Defense was good and I have Sow a pass given he's a development rookie pressed into service by a bunch of injuries
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Defense was good and I have Sow a pass given he's a development rookie pressed into service by a bunch of injuries
You don't think it's weird how he comes to the podium and immediately takes the NFL mic off it's stand before speaking?
That's almost as inaccurate as Mac. He was targetted on a deep ball down the sideline.
I couldn’t care less. His interactions with the media don’t materially improve the team so I don’t care about them.
The Bill press conference act was pretty funny when he was winning super bowls. Not so much anymore.
Defense was good? They gave up like 170 yards of offense in the first 3 series, and were only lucky enough to be down 10-0 because Peppers crushed Adams and the ball found Tavai.
Then they faced Brian Hoyer for the 2nd half.
The defense didn't cost them the game, but they didn't exactly start strong.
Of course, if the Pats did come back and win, this would have been chocked up to another win against a bad/backup QB by folks, so it doesn't matter anyway.
Stevenson was pretty good last year but RBs come and go all the time and there's only a handful who are any good past their first 4 years (Zeke is probably one, at a greatly reduced workload). They get a lot of punishment and you need to be in top shape to make guys miss, have any breakaway speed and drive through them. It shouldn't be surprising when a guy doesn't keep improving.
The Mac INT was just everything that he has been doing wrong this season all rolled into one. Bailing on the pocket early, making a bad decision / trying to be a hero instead of throwing it away when it was 2nd and 4 in FG range, and then screwing up his footwork into the throw (doing a weird stutter step) which led to horrible accuracy.
I also want to call out the poster upthread who gave the injury gods a goat. Fuck that. Injuries happen in the NFL, the Patriots have always been about having depth, and nothing excuses being THIS bad. They have their QB1 playing, 3 of their top 5 WRs, their top two TEs. This is a 7 win team with perfect injury luck and if some injuries make the Krafts realize that they're actually a bad roster without much top-end talent and questionable coaching up and down, the franchise will be better for it.
The Mac INT was just everything that he has been doing wrong this season all rolled into one. Bailing on the pocket early, making a bad decision / trying to be a hero instead of throwing it away when it was 2nd and 4 in FG range, and then screwing up his footwork into the throw (doing a weird stutter step) which led to horrible accuracy.
I also want to call out the poster upthread who gave the injury gods a goat. Fuck that. Injuries happen in the NFL, the Patriots have always been about having depth, and nothing excuses being THIS bad. They have their QB1 playing, 3 of their top 5 WRs, their top two TEs. This is a 7 win team with perfect injury luck and if some injuries make the Krafts realize that they're actually a bad roster without much top-end talent and questionable coaching up and down, the franchise will be better for it.
Not like this.
He used to grab them to rearrange their orientation or whatever, last couple weeks he takes the NFL network one off it's stand and places it on the podium.
I mean, it’s fair to note injuries when their top 4 CBs are out. And Judon. They might stink anyway but they’ve had horrible injury luck this season.
There was little fear of that happening since Mac’s never done so in his career.
People will focus on the Parker drop but Mac promptly took a delay of game penalty, which was absolutely inexcusable. That led directly to the safety. Just moronic play.
They had very good injury luck both in terms of their best players being available and facing opponents whose best players were unavailable since 2020. That's just how it goes.
Honestly I think the most important positions to stay healthy at other than QB is the O line
You look around the league at teams that were surprisingly bad any given year.... Usually had a bunch of line injuries
Edit which isn't to say OLine injuries are the problem, but they are a big part of starting the ball rolling, they came in with mediocre at best line talent on paper
Correct. And since we are talking about it, worth noting that he caught the ball but it was thrown out of bounds.
He also threw the ball directly into the hands of a Raider that somehow ended up a completion to Montgomery in their 4th quarter TD drive. Fair to say the Parker drop was Mac being let down by a team mate, but if we are judging him solely by what he controls, the Pats should have never even been in position to win that game late in the first place.
If we're being fair, Mac's first INT was thrown "directly into the hands of a Raider." On the one Montgomery caught, the Raider player jumped the route and got his hands on it - it wasn't thrown directly to him.
And that is why I’m confident that Mac ain’t it. That throw was hopelessly out of bounds.
He gets outsized attention because he’s the QB on an NFL team. That’s the gig. But just because the rest of the O is garbage doesn’t mean Mac is good. He’s not. He stinks.
Yes. It is. Everyone on the O isn’t good enough, and I mean that literally.
True. Which makes me confused as to why anyone thinks the architect of this roster deserves to stick around much longer. This team looks pretty hapless, and completely devoid of offensive talent. The guy who got us to this place should not be allowed to attempt to fix it.
Yup. I was resigned to letting Bill scratch his way to 7-8 wins a year and catching Shula. But at this point, if we’re staring at a 3 win season at best, then I don’t see why he should stick around.
I found clarity when someone here made the point that Bill has spent his career ruthlessly dumping guys the millisecond they don’t cut it. So why shouldn’t that apply him?
Only thing that could be construed as shade, is that he responded to a question about tempo during the long 4Q drive and if they needed to be faster. Said the coaches were subbing a lot trying to put pressure on the defense and he wanted to play with more tempo.
I thought it was benign.