So about the roster gymnastics tomorrow, DFA Carp, activate Drew, send Drew down, call up Nava? They cant send down Holt/Herrerra since now theres no backup INF. Roberts is off the 40 man too, right?
chrisfont9 said:Not necessarily, it just says that it would be on hold for two years, rather than one. Ripken played almost two years at 3B before moving.
EvilEmpire said:
Unless? You don't think Boras knows what deals are out there?
After two full minor league seasons at third. So from 1979- somewhere in '82 he was a 3B. Then as you say by age 22 he was a full time SS. Not terribly different. My only point is, if he's destined to be a SS, there's no great hurry.Red(s)HawksFan said:
No he did not. As a late season call-up in 1981, he played parts of 6 games at 3B (mostly in late inning duty). Call that his Bogaerts 2013. He then split time between 3B and SS in 1982 (more games at SS...94 to 71). By 1983, his age 22 season, he was a full time SS.
YouDownWithOBP? said:Can someone clarify if they need to clear a 40 man spot for this? I am not sure if they are at 39 or 40. Thanks
soxhop411 said:
Pete Abraham @PeteAbe 1m
Farrell says #RedSox still view Bogaerts as a SS. Suggests he'll play SS vs. LHPs.
nvalvo said:
I think we want Drew at short against RHP at short, with Bogaerts at third. Xander plays short against LHP, and Brock Holt and his .750 OPS (Drew is .681 vs. LHP) plays third.
Here's a table:
OPS SS 3B
vs. LHP .969 (XB) .750 (BH)
vs. RHP .795 (SD) .628 (XB)
I'm assuming Bogaerts' numbers against RHP are likely to improve. And if we could get a better lefty-mashing UI than Holt, I'd be all for it.
edit: Sounds like Farrell is thinking along these lines, but not in terms of a hard and fast platoon. Via brimac: "Farrell indicates that Bogaerts could play third base against righties, shortstop against at least some lefties."
Red(s)HawksFan said:https://twitter.com/Sean_McAdam/status/468852079881363456
I agree.Dan to Theo to Ben said:Sweet rational thought! Yes!
this is a referendum on WMB not Bogaerts. The defense will be better without downgrading the black hole of offensive suck to a Herrera. (yes I realize SFD isn't Honus)
It's $10 million JWH's money not ours.
We're in the minority, but YES!
I always thought that too, bout I've never seen any discussion of this.Andrew said:Didn't WMB coin "Boston Strong"? He was the first person I saw tweet it.
Then again, that might make some of you hate him even more.
chrisfont9 said:Not necessarily, it just says that it would be on hold for two years, rather than one. Ripken played almost two years at 3B before moving.
DrewDawg said:
Is this the case where there's a gentleman's agreement not to claim a guy that anyone could have signed?
Reggie's Racquet said:Two questions
Does his brother care about this?
Why didn't we get at least an option for next year just in case?
We were in the drivers seat here.
Andrew said:Didn't WMB coin "Boston Strong"? He was the first person I saw tweet it.
Then again, that might make some of you hate him even more.
They're revocable waivers, anyway, the only reason to start any nonsense would be to be a pain, and then the next time the team that started the nonsense tried to get anyone through option waivers, another team would return the favor just to start nonsense with the team that decided to be a pain this time.Having to take on $10mm for a guy who (a) is not ready to play right now and (b) couldn't be sent down (since the Sox could just claim him back) should in theory keep the nonsense to a minimum.
Rudy Pemberton said:They also got the Dempster money, which was unexpected and freed up $10M+. By the time they found out he wasn't coming back, there wasn't really a way to reallocate that money, but now they can use it to directly address a need...without giving up any assets.
Remagellan said:
The cost of Drew's return is far outweighed by the value he can deliver to the team this season.
AlNipper49 said:
Just a few posts above yours this was explained. Drew's camp only wanted one year.
If the Red Sox were a car engine which needs sufficient oil to run well, they've been a couple of quarts low. This move adds back a quart.Eck'sSneakyCheese said:<completely irrational knee jerk reaction> I hate this signing. It's a nearsighted move and the money is ridiculous. The AL East is a joke and we're still within reach even with the struggles the "kids" have been trying to work through. This reeks of desperation and not letting the product turn off the weekend Sox fans. I hope this isn't the FO giving up on WMB. Moving Will back to AAA when he gets back isn't going to help with his major league pitch recognition. <end rant>
This upgrades the left side defensively, which will be nice, and could keep some stress off of some of the pitching staff. I see the upside. Still not psyched.
benhogan said:
Now go get Denorfia for Carp and start platooning JBJ/ Denorfia in CF.
Yes, and it touched on in the Band of Bearded Brothers DVDAndrew said:Didn't WMB coin "Boston Strong"? He was the first person I saw tweet it.
Then again, that might make some of you hate him even more.
Red(s)HawksFan said:https://twitter.com/nickcafardo/status/468855805476089856
That's one question answered, I guess. At least now we know there's no time limit on Drew's "rehab" in the minors. If he needs more than the proscribed 10-12 days, he can take it.
I thought it was mentioned earlier that it's at 39. Could be wrong.trekfan55 said:
So Drew needs to be added to the 25 man roster, and then he can be optioned to AAA (with his consent) so that brings the Sox back to 25 guys.
The only question is who goes off the 40 man.
You mean the news about his inability to hit major league pitching?soxhop411 said:So I take this to mean the news on WMB is not good?
mauidano said:I thought it was mentioned earlier that it's at 39. Could be wrong.
Andrew said:How do pro-rated contracts affect the luxury tax? Is the whole thing counted?
Trautwein's Degree said:Will Middlebrooks has Oakland A written all over him.
Hard not to like this move. The Sox are a better team this evening than they were this morning. Turns out letting your starting catcher, center fielder, and SS go - wasn't the best idea. This helps them offensively, up the middle, and in the lineup.
Nice move by Cherrington.
Al Zarilla said:If the Red Sox were a car engine which needs sufficient oil to run well, they've been a couple of quarts low. This move adds back a quart.
trekfan55 said:
So Drew needs to be added to the 25 man roster, and then he can be optioned to AAA (with his consent) so that brings the Sox back to 25 guys.
The only question is who goes off the 40 man.
Also apologies for the sidetrack, but its pretty fair deal for SD.nvalvo said:
Not to sidetrack things too much, I hope, but some people on this board have a weird sense of Denorfia's value. He has a .771 OPS playing half of his games in PETCO.
That's a really good player. Maybe if Carp were still hitting like the first half last season, but a positionless slugger who hasn't hit recently is not bringing back Denorfia.
Didn't you know all other MLB teams are either development machines for players the Sox have a current need for, or dumping grounds for used up ones?gammoseditor said:
The A's current third basemen finished 4th in the MVP voting last year, and I believe is under team control through 2018.
I believe thats the loose definition of a Big Market team and how they try to operateAl Zarilla said:Didn't you know all other MLB teams are either development machines for players the Sox have a current need for, or dumping grounds for used up ones?
Aside from the actual fact of Donaldson, Middlebrooks does have a bunch in common with the other ex-Red Sox on the A's. Doesn't walk much (Reddick), lots of power (Reddick, Moss), injury-prone (Lowrie), white dude with a one syllable first name (Josh, Jed), he's got it all!Al Zarilla said:Didn't you know all other MLB teams are either development machines for players the Sox have a current need for, or dumping grounds for used up ones?
I feel like I've been alone on this bridge since last season when I suggested Bogaerts belongs at 3b to best grow into his offensive potential sooner rather than later. Hopefully this gains steam it will be the best thing for Xander's offense and our teams defense......I never understood why so many were adamant against this.glennhoffmania said:
Then this makes zero sense. That says they're ready to ditch the Bogaerts at SS experiment.