Brady is one of the litigants. How does it help one's bargaining position to leak information that they know is false. It should only serve to strengthen their resolve.Gambler7 said:
The simple answer here is that SAS is a tool.
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The simple answer here is that SAS is a tool.
And once he gets his teeth into something, he shouts it with passion from every available rooftop.soxhop411 said:
$5 million was the "basic" package.Mooch said:
The "hard evidence" package would been at least $7.5 million
Smiling Joe Hesketh said:
What claim, based on what theory, do you think he should have filed? And why do you think he might have won?
Litigation is not an abstract thing---you need a colorable claim. The best I could come up with is an antitrust theory that would have been essentially nuclear (and highly unlikely to succeed). He was far worse situation than Brady is on litigating.
TomTerrific said:
Hopefully that offer was made in writing, or other recording device. If so it would be difficult to 'spain away. It fits what we already know, though, that Brady is caught in a big NFLPA-NFL power play.
Even if he did destroy his phone, still just a fine like the fine and upstanding gentleman Favre, right?
ifmanis5 said:
This allows for the non-science and math narrative to continue. "See! He used the word deflator and then smashed his phone to cover it up! Guilty!".
The claim should have been based on the theory that the NFL is being mean to the franchise of it most powerful owner and its signature, most beloved franchise and best star QB. I mean...duh!!!PedroKsBambino said:
Using SAS as a leak makes sense to me. He's not really close to the NFL, he'll shout anything if anyone will listen, and he has no idea probably about the actual logistics, science, etc. of this case. Other loud ESPN voices have left the network or already look silly.
They're using him as what he is, a tool. Just in the other definition of the word.
They're using him as what he is, a tool. Just in the other definition of the word.
People are struggling with a concept that seems odd but really isn't.ifmanis5 said:
The record here was essentially completed weeks ago after the hearing before RG and the post hearing written submissions. The only outstanding item is the decision we await.
That pretty much is all that matters going forward. The court is not going to order TB deposed. It is not going to ask for his phone. In fact the NFL is exceedingly unlikely to even ask for these things.
The penalties will rise or fall based on this record and the applicable legal principles. The cake is baked.
Which means that TB is quite free to destroy his cell phone or anything else -- unless the NFL specifically asked him to preserve it. Had such a request been made, we almost certainly would know about it.
Further, if in fact the cell phone had been destroyed in the face of a request by the NFL before the Wells Report issued, that report would have cited him for despoliation of evidence and made a BFD about it. That obviously did not happen.
The most Kraft could have done is to keep fighting the suspension in the press and at owners meetings, etc. Eventually that would have led to more penalties.
MSF and other lawyers (with relevant labor experience): When RG's decision comes down, would you mind summarizing (or re-summarizing) the issues before the court and give your informed opinion as to the likelihood of success of Brady's appeal v. the NFL's position on each of them? It's premature to do now, but seems like it won't be in 24-48 hours.MarcSullivaFan said:
ESPN.com: "There is an expectation that the case will be resolved within the next 48 hours, and ESPN's Stephen A. Smith is hearing that NFL commissioner Roger Goodell likely will uphold the suspension stemming from Brady's involvement in the Deflategate scandal."
No mention about what else SAS is hearing, of course. Even ESPN knows when SAS is making up stuff.
No mention about what else SAS is hearing, of course. Even ESPN knows when SAS is making up stuff.
In all seriousness, its difficult to fairly judge Kraft without knowing what other issues (completely different than this stupid shitshow) are at play between him and the rest of the league.MarcSullivaFan said:
Given his track record in business and as an owner, he should get the benefit of the doubt.
SAS blustering about the NFL being "incredibly confident" they will prevail in court, plus today revealing the only reason BB isn't banned for life is that they graciously (so far) let him skate, plus
their confidence that TB and the Patriots couldn't survive depositions--it all (especially the BB part) sounds like pretty heavy last minute threatening:
"Nice little SB winner you got there , Mr. K., be too bad if something happened to your coach..."
their confidence that TB and the Patriots couldn't survive depositions--it all (especially the BB part) sounds like pretty heavy last minute threatening:
"Nice little SB winner you got there , Mr. K., be too bad if something happened to your coach..."
joe dokes said:
or to do something shameful that their regular partner has too much self-respect to engage in...
dcmissle said:
He also dipped his toe in the "Brady is a racist" pond after Brady didn't show up to the White House earlier this year. He said he was "uncomfortable" that Brady showed up when Bush was in office, but not now.
One of the most insane suggestions that gets tossed around a fair amount is that the league has some sort of evidence or information that would somehow make things worse, but they have held it back for some reason. They spent months and $5 million for the report. Even if the report was 100% rock solid, the punishment handed down was outrageously out of proportion with the reports conclusions.Omar's Wacky Neighbor said:
In what world would an entity that is acting like that hold anything back that makes the Patriots look worse??
NFL insists on strict no leaking policies. Unless of course they do the leaking that suits their interests. Wonderful organization.
Albert Breer @AlbertBreer 6m6 minutes ago
There've been continued settlement talks between NFL and NFLPA on Tom Brady. One major sticking point: Brady's willingness to admit guilt.
There've been continued settlement talks between NFL and NFLPA on Tom Brady. One major sticking point: Brady's willingness to admit guilt.
In a galaxy far, far away . . .
There will be a hearing in Minnesota in the winter. And the PA will measure the air pressure in the tires of Goodell's limo when he arrives after the long drive from the heated hotel parking garage, and again at the end of he day, after they've been sitting outside in Minneapolis.
There will be a hearing in Minnesota in the winter. And the PA will measure the air pressure in the tires of Goodell's limo when he arrives after the long drive from the heated hotel parking garage, and again at the end of he day, after they've been sitting outside in Minneapolis.
jsinger121 said:
I hear the other two are the length of the suspension and the size of the fine.
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 1m1 minute ago
NFL and NFLPA are not expected at this time to reach a settlement regarding Tom Brady's four-game suspension, per sources.
NFL and NFLPA are not expected at this time to reach a settlement regarding Tom Brady's four-game suspension, per sources.
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 1m1 minute ago
NFL and NFLPA are not expected at this time to reach a settlement regarding Tom Brady's four-game suspension, per sources.
NFL and NFLPA are not expected at this time to reach a settlement regarding Tom Brady's four-game suspension, per sources.
Mike Reiss @MikeReiss 24s25 seconds ago
NFL announces that #Patriots QB Tom Brady's suspension has been upheld -- 4 games.
NFL announces that #Patriots QB Tom Brady's suspension has been upheld -- 4 games.