Hoya81 said:
Wasn't it one of the few official NFL statements on this matter that called the pissin' ball boy a "strong person of interest." Not only the media have been making this about the Pats.
That said, I really hope he's right....
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Wasn't it one of the few official NFL statements on this matter that called the pissin' ball boy a "strong person of interest." Not only the media have been making this about the Pats.
That said, I really hope he's right....
I don't think that was an NFL statement but an NFL leak...like everything else.loshjott said:
One thing I haven't seen put forward is the possibility that Goodell hired Wells to investigate misconduct and unprofessional behavior on a bunch of his insubordinate underlings to justify a big purge of NFL head office staff.
Well, fucking with that one football, and then trying to use that to sting the Pats. Who cares if they deflated a ball that was out of play at that stage? The real violation is falsification of evidence, and using that to manipulate the refs during the game, and the league after the game.dcmissle said:
I don't think it's as likely as them messing with one or more of the pats footballs, but the other possibility is that they fucked with their own footballs before handing them over at the half to make sure they were at the required PSIdcmissle said:
IF the Colts deflated a ball, they will lose their first round draft pick, and that will be just for starters.
Unless they lied during the course of the initial investigation, I can't of anything other than ball manipulation that would make them the target of Wells' investigation.
Unless they lied during the course of the initial investigation, I can't of anything other than ball manipulation that would make them the target of Wells' investigation.
They don't even need to have deflated the ball intentionally, the simple fact that they even tested was already against the rules and could have accidentally deflated the ball.simplyeric said:
True.BrazilianSoxFan said:
But there's a big difference between them accidentally screwing up a football, and intentionally meddling with a football in an attempt to frame another team.
I'm not picking on you EH, but we really should be cautious. We're talking about a guy who's described as this:Ed Hillel said:
Man, even after reading that multiple times, I still laugh.
The item that I've always wondered about, and never seen mentioned elsewhere (admittedly I haven't come close to reading anything approaching everything in this matter) is the possibility that the antecedent to the phrase that the early tweets reported -- that the league was very upset -- could have been that the league was upset that this issue had come up, that they were very upset at others, be that the Colts, the game officials, or others. The assumption has always been, and again, I can't say for certain that this assumption was actually specified elsewhere, that the league was very upset at the Patriots. Everything follows from that assumption.
Ed Hillel said:
Wish he was my friend. Point stands that SoV had some very accurate tweets early in this saga. While he isn't an 'NFL name' he clearly has some source or insight into this drama.
We're all just sitting around trying to anticipate what the cart might be. I'm not making a prediction of what the report will say, nor am I stating a presumption of what actually happened.E5 Yaz said:
I'm simply talking about an if-then scenario. Nothing more.
McBride11 said:
I remember him saying early on that this goes beyond the Pats. I remember nothing he's tweeted that has proven correct as of yet.
If you remember what they were, it might help add to the idea that this is a credible source
Ya, this idea has been broached several times. Ultimately, like everything else, nobody has any idea what the league being "very concerned" or whatever means. It might not mean anything at all; what else are they going to say, "the league couldn't care less about a charge of cheating during championship weekend!"?Saints Rest said:
Accurate. As in the NFL has very little evidence and would investigate elsewhere. No sanctions prior to super bowl., etc. SoV was cited several times early in the thread.E5 Yaz said:
Proven true? No. I agree. But nothing has been 'proven true' with regards to what the NfL is doing in 3 mos. But his tweets have been more accurate than the rest of the 'reports' early on. That's all (i agree it isnt much but better than a lot of others).
You/we don't know that.McBride11 said:
And spare us the convoluted reasoning that "proves" or "suggests" what the NFL REALLY knows, because that's beyond our knowledge as well.
Nobody knows shit. The NFL could do literally anything at this point.
Discussed here a lot actually. Outside of this forum, it's easy for everyone to jump to the conclusion you stated...because that's what people want to believe.Saints Rest said:
If there is any truth to that leak (who knows which leaks to believe?), then my guess is that they were upset with the Patriots. It was a witch hunt early on, and only time could potentially turn the tide.
I know! Right?Ed Hillel said:
I also suspect that the Shark has tiger blood and adonis DNA.
DrewDawg said:
Again ... where has he been closer to the mark? Just because he posts tweets that are in favor of the Patriots doesn't make him accurate. As Dr, Leather pointed out, none of his tweets have been proven correct ... because we don't know what's in the Wells report
With respect to the SharksofVegas tweet:
Could I see the Wells report exonerating the Pats, basically stating that the pressure changes are explainable by atmospheric conditions? Sure, I think it's definitely possible; in fact, it would not all surprise me that this does happen. Doesn't mean Goodell will agree, but that's a different issue that's been discussed here for 300 pages.
Could I see the Wells report spending a significant chunk of tree material on league procedures? That would not surprise me in the least. After all, there seemed to be questions all over the place as to how or even if the Pats and Colts balls were ever properly checked prior to the game. And the chances that the pressure for each ball was recorded seem slim based on what little we've seen. I could see the report emphasizing league procedures even if it concluded that the Pats were guilty of tampering.
Could I see a situation where the Colts submitted balls that were on the high side or slightly over the max allowed prior to the game? Sure. We already have Aaron Rodgers admitting on record to doing the same; perhaps Rodgers shared the same secret with Andrew Luck. Would this get uncovered by the Wells report? Maybe. Would it be a big deal? I say absolutely not, but it would probably give Wells more ammo to spend time discussing league procedures and making recommendations.
Could I see a see a situation where the Colts deliberately tampered with the intercepted ball in an attempt to embarrass the Pats? I guess it's possible, but that seems so incredibly dumb that I have trouble jumping to this conclusion based solely on the SoV tweet.
Could I see the Wells report exonerating the Pats, basically stating that the pressure changes are explainable by atmospheric conditions? Sure, I think it's definitely possible; in fact, it would not all surprise me that this does happen. Doesn't mean Goodell will agree, but that's a different issue that's been discussed here for 300 pages.
Could I see the Wells report spending a significant chunk of tree material on league procedures? That would not surprise me in the least. After all, there seemed to be questions all over the place as to how or even if the Pats and Colts balls were ever properly checked prior to the game. And the chances that the pressure for each ball was recorded seem slim based on what little we've seen. I could see the report emphasizing league procedures even if it concluded that the Pats were guilty of tampering.
Could I see a situation where the Colts submitted balls that were on the high side or slightly over the max allowed prior to the game? Sure. We already have Aaron Rodgers admitting on record to doing the same; perhaps Rodgers shared the same secret with Andrew Luck. Would this get uncovered by the Wells report? Maybe. Would it be a big deal? I say absolutely not, but it would probably give Wells more ammo to spend time discussing league procedures and making recommendations.
Could I see a see a situation where the Colts deliberately tampered with the intercepted ball in an attempt to embarrass the Pats? I guess it's possible, but that seems so incredibly dumb that I have trouble jumping to this conclusion based solely on the SoV tweet.
There was also the later news about the official auctioning off the balls and sending the wrong kicking balls into the game. So whether that means the investigation is more about the officials or not that Jan 25 tweet was at least partly correct.
If anything, Sharks of Vegas have even more of an incentive to get it right, since their business relies a good deal on reliable information. Sports journalists, as we have seen, prioritize being first and generating clicks over getting the facts.
Whatever Yaz, you just wish you had an awesome pic like this:E5 Yaz said:
If the pic doesn't convince you that he's omniscent. Nothing will.
EDIT: Remember, he has a mind for victory, and balls of a fucking champion.
Considering Doyel's been backtracking like a motherfucker over the last few months, "interesting" is about the best term either could use there.
SoV walking it back a bit today, now says his "theory" is that the Colts deflated the interception ball, and cites the old stories about Brady liking footballs under-inflated and the "rule book" quote as being what started things in motion.
E5 Yaz said:
I read that as they are backing their story, in fact they re-iterated it, and then SoV is giving the theory as to how the whole thing played out. The "news" bit is that it's a sweeping investigation, and the opinion bit is how everything played out.
The guy also flat out says he has a source on his information. He may well be wrong, but I don't think this guy is randomly making stuff up like Jake. Greg Underwood is certainly a believer.
If these guys have any juice in Vegas, it's not unthinkable they'd be able to tap a Paul Weiss associate or an NFL employee. It's not like they're tweeting the nuclear codes out. There are probably a dozen of us on the board who could get some insight into the Wells report for a $150 bar bill.
With apologies to Samuel Beckett in The Unnameable:
"Grigson: You must go on.
Goodell: I can't go on.
Grigson: You must go on.
Goodell: I'll go on. I must say words, as long as there are any - until they find the secret of the wizened ball. (Strange pain, strange sin!) I must go on. Perhaps it's done already. Perhaps Wells has finished his report already. Perhaps they have carried me to the threshold of the mystery, before the door that opens on the secret. (That would surprise me, if it opens.)....
Grigson: You must go on.
Goodell: I can't go on.
(Grigson dissolves in tears.)
Goodell: I'll go on."
"Grigson: You must go on.
Goodell: I can't go on.
Grigson: You must go on.
Goodell: I'll go on. I must say words, as long as there are any - until they find the secret of the wizened ball. (Strange pain, strange sin!) I must go on. Perhaps it's done already. Perhaps Wells has finished his report already. Perhaps they have carried me to the threshold of the mystery, before the door that opens on the secret. (That would surprise me, if it opens.)....
Grigson: You must go on.
Goodell: I can't go on.
(Grigson dissolves in tears.)
Goodell: I'll go on."
Given that we are nearing the three month mark of an investigation that Troy Vincent said would be wrapped up in a few days, reports like this are not going to be ridiculed. And the longer this goes on, the more credible reports like this will appear.Smiling Joe Hesketh said:
A very long investigation does not necessarily mean they are looking into serious possibilities of Colts and NFL official misconduct. But serious possibilities of Colts and NFL misconduct necessarily mean a very long investigation, barring admissions.
If this report has merit and the charges prove true, we're looking at the biggest and baddest NFL disciplinary matter in the lifetimes of the majority of people here. You have to go at least as far back as the suspensions of Paul Hornung and Alex Karras for gambling.
dcmissle said:
The indefinite suspension of Joe Namath in 1970 over his ownership stake in a NY bar ("Bachelors III") frequented by mobsters comes to mind. As does the suspension and eventually banning of Art Schlicter for much more serious gambling offenses in the 80s.
I'm sure I can come up with other examples, but I get your point. If the story plays out as we are speculating, it would be very big.
Nothing earth-shattering, but suggests the possibility that the report will come out before any discipline is decided upon. That's what happened with the Wells report on the Incognito/Martin investigation.
https://twitter.com/adbrandt/status/587681130683506688
https://twitter.com/adbrandt/status/587681130683506688
Here's an article on the release of the first Wells report that indicates that the league was mulling over discipline.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/early-lead/wp/2014/02/14/nfl-report-finds-richie-incognito-other-dolphins-harassed-jonathan-martin/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/early-lead/wp/2014/02/14/nfl-report-finds-richie-incognito-other-dolphins-harassed-jonathan-martin/
E5 Yaz said:
How childish is it that this whole stupid fucking thing was because Harbaugh was butt-hurt that Tom Brady, arguably the greatest QB ever, defended his team's tactics in the face of Harbaugh's own baseless and incorrect whining that they were borderline-illegal, by daring to suggest that Harbaugh maybe wasn't clear on the rules.
I mean, Brady was right!