Yup I didn`t realize it was a biased newspaper. I actually thought it was liberal. Here`s a better one.Educated and NY Post don’t belong in the same sentence.
This is not the thread for this, but that article was from early April and it was a flat-out lie. This is from last week:This is were I educated myself a little.
https://nypost.com/2020/04/02/hydroxychloroquine-most-effective-coronavirus-treatment-poll/
The girl in your article had heart trouble and they didn`t know if it was even prescribed by a Dr.
Like my post above, the NY Post was bias so I found another. Respectfulinsolence I can`t get behind. Again this is the trouble, peoples agendas. We can go back and forth all day and night refuting each other. I totally respect your opinions but you are right about this not being the thread for this. I`ll end this with a comment that is only me trying to be funny. I`m only going to dislike you because you`re a Yankee fan.And here's the answer to the Henry Ford study:
https://respectfulinsolence.com/2020/07/09/henry-ford-hospital-hydroxychloroquine-trial-covid-19/
Can you please share a link for that from a reputable source if you are going to assert it.Others are saying early on hospital were getting $10,000 in reimbursements from medicare to put covid. I believed this because all of a sudden no one was dying of things such as pneumonia or influenza.
There is also some thoughts that the death rate could be down because deaths could be lagging infections by more than 1-2 weeks (which is what we saw in the Northeast) due to infections being caught much earlier now than they were back in March and April. I have been reading someone doing modeling on another forum and he thinks that deaths could lag infections by 4-6 weeks now due to vastly increased testing catching infections earlier.And the death rate is down in large part because those states are marking ‘other’ as cause of death instead of Covid if at all possible.
This post has information I wasn't aware of, and I do wish that you would repeat at least some of it in V&N, as I see you are a member.Two big caveats before this post: not a doctor and certainly not a professional athlete.
That being said, I currently live in Spain where professional sport has returned and so far rather successfully in terms of players not getting infected, staying healthy, etc. While I haven't spent too much time following baseball's attempt to return, or the NBA or NHL for that matter, I have wondered to myself why it is so much more complicated and difficult.
Spain's first major outbreak occurred in Madrid and Barcelona in the second week of March, as many of you know. About one week later New York City and Seattle saw similar outbreaks. La Liga returned here on June 11, about 3 months after its last game on March 10. The Italian league began about a week and a half later with other European leagues more or less following suit (except for France which canceled the season outright -- partially due to the virus and partially due to PSG having already clinched the league). I mention specifically Spain and Italy due to their similar situations.
When Madrid spiked, it took a bit of time for the central government here to react, and they have received criticism for that. However, they did act, and by March 16 we were in a "State of Alarm" country-wide, despite the outbreak really having only hit Madrid and Barcelona at that time. Many of you perhaps already know this, but the "lockdown" American speak about/spoke about is a bit of a disservice to the term lock-down when compared to what happened in Spain (and Italy). We were only let out of our residences to go grocery shopping (in Italy you needed to carry a self-authorization that could be requested by police and if you were out too frequently, that was a fine or even jail) or to the pharmacy. No travel, no exercise, no parks, no "paseando." This lasted until May 22 when we entered "phase 0" and could take walks and exercise individually outside during certain timetables. I am certainly not a proponent of coercive governments, especially in countries with recent experience with fascism and a rather active far-right, but the measures had an effect. We are now seeing some "rebrotes" or resurgences of the virus after a few weeks of freedom, but so far they are manageable and we can still live somewhat normal lives, all with masks on for the most part. On top of this, there was decent coordination within the EU, reducing if not eliminating travel to cut spread, and aside from the UK, things are looking somewhat positive here. This was possible with an even more decentralized system than the US.
I don't mean for this to be a political post, and if it strays too far, I apologize, and someone can delete, but I think we have a pretty good natural case-study in terms of the effectiveness of a unified and far-sighted (even if it felt a little authoritarian and extreme at the time) response to the virus versus what happened in the US. With one response, something like professional sport is possible and perhaps even rather safe, and with another, let's be honest, if there are ANY professional games played before January 1, I'll be shocked, either at the sudden improvement of the situation or the decision to play regardless.
Yes there are constitutional issues at play, as to whether a unified response would be possible in the States, but it seems like the "dance" that we hear about in the news in terms of dealing with the virus is only really possible after being first "grounded" at home.
Lastly, referring back to one of my caveats, it just seems like there is just too much of the virus around in the States. Questions as to how professional athletes can be infected despite all the care and measures taken to keep them safe proves just how virulent Covid is. The US spent 4 months pretending the virus would stay where it was, and now it hasn't. And it will continue not to.
Anyway, it's sad, and I do hope things improve such that we can enjoy baseball again soon. I miss it, despite it always starting at 2am for me. In the meantime, if you pick a Spanish soccer team, pick Atletico, not Real.
I hope this is true or that option will be taken away from you.Like my post above, the NY Post was bias so I found another. Respectfulinsolence I can`t get behind. Again this is the trouble, peoples agendas. We can go back and forth all day and night refuting each other. I totally respect your opinions but you are right about this not being the thread for this. I`ll end this with a comment that is only me trying to be funny. I`m only going to dislike you because you`re a Yankee fan.
Please don’t subject us to more of this...Can you please share a link for that from a reputable source if you are going to assert it.
"me trying to be funny"that is only me trying to be funny
Here you go:Like my post above, the NY Post was bias so I found another. Respectfulinsolence I can`t get behind. Again this is the trouble, peoples agendas. We can go back and forth all day and night refuting each other. I totally respect your opinions but you are right about this not being the thread for this. I`ll end this with a comment that is only me trying to be funny. I`m only going to dislike you because you`re a Yankee fan.
I have to admit that the amount of posts in V&N is a bit daunting, but I will certainly look for a conversation where this information is relevant and add to the discussion.This post has information I wasn't aware of, and I do wish that you would repeat at least some of it in V&N, as I see you are a member.
Of course the level of virus outside of the clubhouses, in the larger society, is relevant to the pursuit of sports, as it is to the opening of schools. But we are not likely to see the level fall as they have in Europe, because of a lack of will to do what it takes. That lack is why we can't have nice things, like baseball, for example. I will be shocked if there's a baseball season, which is why I haven't looked forward to it.
I hope they thank us here in the US for vividly demonstrating the error of their ways.We saw that here too, don't worry. Anti-government protests starting in the wealthiest neighborhood in Madrid, though they still wore masks, claiming that the government was being dictatorial about forcing people to stay at home all the while some of them were carrying Franco-era flags. It was something to behold.
Guerin Austin said during the pre-season game last night that it was the worst he's ever felt and the sickest he's ever been. IIRC, at one point she said he had every symptom. It sounded like it hit him hard.According to ESPN news crawl, apparently EdRo was shut down due to 'complications from virus'
What? He isn’t never pitching again.There's a low, but definitely non-zero chance ERod is one of those with his lungs ruined and he could never pitch again. We don't yet know the exact long-term effects of COVID but there are some horrible anecdotes out there. That's how serious this shit is and it's terrifying and makes you realize what the hell are we doing playing ball?
Sounds like E-Rod is one of the many recovered COVID patients struggling with persistent fatigue. That fatigue could easily be enough to keep him on the shelf for the entirety of this shortened season. Speculating that it could be something worse than that seems premature — I mean, he could have cancer too, but absent some kind of report suggesting that could actually by the case, we generally don’t speculate about worst-case scenarios.There's a low, but definitely non-zero chance ERod is one of those with his lungs ruined and he could never pitch again. We don't yet know the exact long-term effects of COVID but there are some horrible anecdotes out there. That's how serious this shit is and it's terrifying and makes you realize what the hell are we doing playing ball?
Can’t we just leave it at, he’s having a severe case of covid19 and we will have to see if and when he is able to return? He could be back in 10 days or next season it’s completely impossible to determine.There's a low, but definitely non-zero chance ERod is one of those with his lungs ruined and he could never pitch again. We don't yet know the exact long-term effects of COVID but there are some horrible anecdotes out there. That's how serious this shit is and it's terrifying and makes you realize what the hell are we doing playing ball?
Wow. Should just be barred from entering the clubhouse.I just saw Heath Hembree walking down the street toward the park without a mask on. I don't like the chances of this season finishing.
If he was 6 feet from others, he doesn't need a maskI just saw Heath Hembree walking down the street toward the park without a mask on. I don't like the chances of this season finishing.
Was he walking all by himself with no one else around him or was this a busy sidewalk where he couldn't help but be close to other people? If he was fairly isolated as he walked, I'm hard pressed to fault him for not wearing a mask. If it was somewhat busy with people, that's a different story.I just saw Heath Hembree walking down the street toward the park without a mask on. I don't like the chances of this season finishing.
Yeah not necessarily.If he was 6 feet from others, he doesn't need a mask
Well, the guidance all along across the entire country has been 6 feet or mask, so if the real answer is 10 feet, or 43 feet, it won't matter much.
You'd be surprised. Target was hopping and the area around the park had a bunch of people milling around. I had to circle a bit to find a parking spot. It's not like 15 years ago when it would have been him and the rats behind the Goodyear building. Now it's him, the rats, and lots of residents and medical area workers out for lunch.4 hours before game time with no fans, no concession folks,, no ushers, etc, I'm guessing it is pretty quiet near there.
If you say there were plenty of folks around, no reason not to believe you. He deserves a bit of shaming for not wearing a mask. Meanwhile, shortly after you posted, I noticed this come across Red Sox social media, so Hembree might not be emblematic of the whole team. IIRC, he's a bit of a red-hatter so that might explain his defiance of good social pandemic etiquette.You'd be surprised. Target was hopping and the area around the park had a bunch of people milling around. I had to circle a bit to find a parking spot. It's not like 15 years ago when it would have been him and the rats behind the Goodyear building. Now it's him, the rats, and lots of residents and medical area workers out for lunch.
Well, considering that tweet came out from Red Sox PR it might not emblematic of the team as a whole either as they're certainly going to pick and choose which pictures to show. I keep going to bed hoping I'll wake up and it will be 2021c already..If you say there were plenty of folks around, no reason not to believe you. He deserves a bit of shaming for not wearing a mask. Meanwhile, shortly after you posted, I noticed this come across Red Sox social media, so Hembree might not be emblematic of the whole team. IIRC, he's a bit of a red-hatter so that might explain his defiance of good social pandemic etiquette.
View: https://twitter.com/RedSox/status/1286741460541411330
There's a non-zero percent chance of a wandering black hole appearing on the mound at Fenway, and then none of us will be worrying about this again!Talking about “non-zero” percent chances isn’t helpful. There are non-zero percent chances of many horrible things.
6’ should work!Well, the guidance all along across the entire country has been 6 feet or mask, so if the real answer is 10 feet, or 43 feet, it won't matter much.
I thought it was allowed and advisable to walk down the street without a mask. If not the residents of my community are fucked. Sorry to all the residents of New Haven County.Wow. Should just be barred from entering the clubhouse.
The guidance is to wear a face covering when you can’t ensure 6-foot distancing. So there’s no need to mask up in my suburban neighborhood, and probably no need in yours either, but someone walking down Brookline Avenue at mid-day should probably be masked.I thought it was allowed and advisable to walk down the street without a mask. If not the residents of my community are fucked. Sorry to all the residents of New Haven County.
For the Sox, teams in general or the league as a whole? I see issues for all the above.So, is it too soon to wonder about the potential financial ramifications if this season is cancelled after 3 or 4 games?