I think lots of people in this thread have articulated the concern. You may not share it, or discount it, but it's been articulated. So read the thread, but it has nothing to do with BB having "conversations" with someone.So the concern is what, then, that he'll somehow convince BB, MCD and Brady to do something dumb? That makes little sense given the guys we're talking about. And, to my point, the concern is totally contrary to what BB has long done anyway.
They both had some innovative tactics on offense, but it was Socrates who really knew how to handle tight ends.Felger: Oh please. Patriot fans would be all for signing Attila the Hun or Saddam Hussein as long as Bill thought it was a good idea.
Oh man, I'd rather another dozen deflategate jokes than having to hear that junior high gay joke dusted off here.They both had some innovative tactics on offense, but it was Socrates who really knew how to handle tight ends.
What is the concern then, even about meetings? That Kelly exudes some kind of rub-offable stink? That he'd stage a mutiny? Replace game film with porn? Chip Kelly -- like Martz, Norv Turner, Chan Gailey, to name a few -- is pretty clearly a smart football guy especially on offense, but may not be head coach material. Whether its providing intel on other teams, or insights into Patriots tendencies, there is literally no *conceivable* downside to this. There are many *inconceivable* ones, though.I'm not really sure where I stand on this whole thing, but BB is free to have whatever conversations he wants with Kelly, who presumably would return BB's phone calls, without actually making him a member of the coaching staff.
I think what people are worried about is something more than that, having Kelly on the staff and in meetings and the like. I think I probably come down on the side of trusting BB not to do anything that would fuck with things at this point. But for those who are saying they aren't enamored with this move it has nothing to do with BB having conversations with other smart people.
Look, you are typically a thoughtful Pats poster and obviously, I have read the thread. Doing so, and thinking about where an impact on the Pats would come from, is exactly why I asked the question I did.I think lots of people in this thread have articulated the concern. You may not share it, or discount it, but it's been articulated. So read the thread, but it has nothing to do with BB having "conversations" with someone.
Oh man, I'd rather another dozen deflategate jokes than having to hear that junior high gay joke dusted off here.
Does an offensive consultant really get enough time with a team/players where he can disrupt chemistry? Seems like he'd meet with staff and review film, etc.I think the short answer as to why not just bring him in is, "chemistry".
Chip may be an awesome football guy, and may bring a unique perspective but is the upside he brings to a 14-2 team which appears on a roll, really worth the potential downside to fucking with chemistry, or muddying lines of communication, this late in the season?
Depending on his role (assistant coach versus advisor or consultant) I don't think the risk/reward is favorable.
I'm not even taking sides here. I'm just saying, for those concerned about Kelly being brought in at this point it extends beyond BB having "conversations" with people he respects, which is how you framed your initial post in this thread.Look, you are typically a thoughtful Pats poster and obviously, I have read the thread. Doing so, and thinking about where an impact on the Pats would come from, is exactly why I asked the question I did.
You might note a couple of us making the same basic point---perhaps you'd do well to consider why. Then again, the choice between "this is what I think, I don't want to hear anything else" and "how can I get better by hearing more perspectives" is kind of the point here anyway, isn't it?
I'm talking more of the input and communication that would flow from current staff to BB.Adding another presumably senior guy like Chip would seem to me as blurring the normal lines of communication.Does an offensive consultant really get enough time with a team/players where he can disrupt chemistry? Seems like he'd meet with staff and review film, etc.
Gotcha.I'm talking more of the input and communication that would flow from current staff to BB.Adding another presumably senior guy like Chip would seem to me as blurring the normal lines of communication.
Now if this were mid-season, and we had several regular season games and there was a need for an additional senior guy, sure bring him in. But as we are now in "win or go home" land, a potential disruption of normal communications doesn't seem wise.
This is such a major value-add.If this were to happen I think it's probably at least in part because Kelly's seen Seattle twice this year and as well as Dallas and The Giants twice each in the three previous seasons.
There are several of us who have made the same point, and asked the same question, which suggests that others share my conclusion about what's been said thus far. If you want to engage in the substantive discussion, feel free...otherwise, I do not think you're helping.I'm not even taking sides here. I'm just saying, for those concerned about Kelly being brought in at this point it extends beyond BB having "conversations" with people he respects, which is how you framed your initial post in this thread.
Again, you can disagree with people who have articulated concern over what Kelly might bring to the table, but those opposed to it have laid out their concerns in this thread.
Why would one assume they'd set up his role that way, though? That is not what McDaniels did, for example, when he came back. It's now how Weis has interacted with them when he's been at games or at practices since leaving.I'm talking more of the input and communication that would flow from current staff to BB.Adding another presumably senior guy like Chip would seem to me as blurring the normal lines of communication.
Now if this were mid-season, and we had several regular season games and there was a need for an additional senior guy, sure bring him in. But as we are now in "win or go home" land, a potential disruption of normal communications doesn't seem wise.
I'm not assuming anything other than bringing in a senior guy like Chip Kelly would by definition change the nature of normal communications that existed between current staff and BB.Why would one assume they'd set up his role that way, though? That is not what McDaniels did, for example, when he came back. It's now how Weis has interacted with them when he's been at games or at practices since leaving.
Agreed with this, and echo others' opinion that it theoretically gives BB a chance to see whether Chip is a potential McDaniels replacement if Josh leaves in 6 weeks. Given that Bill running the show & Brady at QB seriously limits the potential that any new offensive coordinator could really rock the boat, I'm fine entertaining the possibility that there's potential future upside.people are making this way too complicated. Yes, if Chip becomes Assistant Head Coach or some such, then worry about chemistry and all this other stuff. But bringing him in as an assistant/consultant type -- on the McD model from a few years back -- has zero to do with lines of communication etc. He'll talk to BB and McD to give his input and they'll make of that what they want. That's all.
Not that I think this is the best idea in history. But should it happen I'm quite certain it has next to zero chance of ruining chemistry/bluring lines of communication. It would be an extra set of (very informed/very smart) eyes. That. Is. All.
This is where I'm at. I would think he would be an office guy reviewing film and giving Josh McD some hints at how to expose opposing defenses. I wouldn't expect him to be on the field at practice showing players how to do their jobs.Does an offensive consultant really get enough time with a team/players where he can disrupt chemistry? Seems like he'd meet with staff and review film, etc.
If you taken out Shady McCoy and just called them LeSean Jackson, this post would have been better. Low bar, but still.Not only no but FUCK NO.
>That Kelly exudes some kind of rub-offable stink?
Yes. The man who dumped Shady McCoy and LeSean Jackson for bags of chips stinks to high heaven. Let him go back to Bumfuck U.
a thousand fucks NO.
He wouldn't be making roster decisions so I fail to see how those moves are at all relevant.Not only no but FUCK NO.
>That Kelly exudes some kind of rub-offable stink?
Yes. The man who dumped Shady McCoy and LeSean Jackson for bags of chips stinks to high heaven. Let him go back to Bumfuck U.
a thousand fucks NO.
If they do bring him aboard, all of those "WTF is McDaniels doing?" hot takes can be replaced by "WTF is Kelly making McDaniels do?" hot takes.Pretty clear from past comments that BB has a lot of respect for Kelly.
I honestly dont even know how to opine on this from a messageboard poster vantage point. Whatever BB decides is almost certainly the right move here and its almost certainly going to be a super marginal decision.
Disagree. Bringing in Chip Kelly is obviously step 1 in a master plan that will see Tom Brady benched, Malcolm Butler cut, and the Pats implementing a run and shoot offense, all before for AFC championship game. /hot takeHe wouldn't be making roster decisions so I fail to see how those moves are at all relevant.
I agree with this, and am baffled by the concerns of some others. Belichick runs the tightest ship in professional sports, and has for 16 years. The idea that any one person could -- or would be allowed to -- disrupt it is nonsense, whether that's an on-field presence like Randy Moss (or Jamie Collins, perhaps) or an off-field coach.Pretty clear from past comments that BB has a lot of respect for Kelly.
I honestly dont even know how to opine on this from a messageboard poster vantage point. Whatever BB decides is almost certainly the right move here and its almost certainly going to be a super marginal decision.
Yeah, there's the pro scouting department. That's their job.BB has always been a "one game at a time" guy publicly, but I think it would be naïve to think that there is no one on the staff that's doing any advance work. I think that if he's brought aboard, Kelly becomes one of those guys.
It was Dan Quinn having him in ATL.I think Jay Glazer said Shanahan wants to talk to Chip about being his OC in SF. Sounds totally nuts.
Seems like a good idea to tinker with that offense.It was Dan Quinn having him in ATL.
Probably? The 27-yard pass to Hogan with about five minutes left in the first quarter looked like an audible into a Chip Kelly play. Brady sent Edelman in motion, and Mike Mitchell came down to the line of scrimmage and Sean Davis rotated to that side of the field. Once Mitchell was at the line of scrimmage, Brady audibled into "Jordan," which was an empty backfield. Chris Hogan looked prepared and knew what was coming, even directing Blount into position, while Artie Burns(rookie corner) looked for help, Sean Davis(rookie safety) was out of position, and James Harrison was left in no-man's land underneath covering Hogan or Blount short. It was all vertical routes, and Hogan was looking for it the whole time past Harrison and before Davis/Burns.Any correlation between Chip's appearance at practice this week and the return of the hurry-up that looked so effective in the first two scoring drives?