Chip Shot in New England?

RedOctober3829

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 19, 2005
55,298
deep inside Guido territory
Paul Perillo on 98.5 thinks Chip Kelly could be brought in by Belichick to be an offensive consultant/assistant. He says the possibility exists that he could be brought in as soon as this week for the playoffs. I think it would be good to have another set of eyes in the room to scout tendencies this week and help game plan down the road. We all know how much of a relationship Chip and Bill have. If McD moves on, Kelly could slide into the OC role. BB has done this in the past but never for an outside the organization type. He's brought McDaniels back in January of 2012 and also brought Daboll back in January of 2013 but they previously served stints in the organization.

Does anyone think it would be a good idea for Chip Kelly to be brought in at this point?
 

TheoShmeo

Skrub's sympathy case
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Jul 19, 2005
12,890
Boston, NY
While the idea has some logical appeal, I am a little hesitant. The Pats offense is pretty damned good, Tom and Josh have an excellent working relationship by all accounts and appearances, and the injection of a new ingredient in the playoffs could invoke the Law of Unintended Consequences. Might they accommodate the New Guy here and there in a way that is not actually beneficial? It seems unlikely but they might think that they are supposed to work him in a bit and it could backfire.

My guess is that this is pretty likely in that I tend to doubt that Perrillo would float it if it was rank speculation given his position.
 

rsmith7

New Member
Jul 18, 2005
58
-1
Headline from SF Chronicle: "Questions over Chip Kelly’s willingness to adjust 49ers’ offense"

One of McDaniel's strengths is his ability to adapt the offense to his personnel and further to adapt the offense to take advantage of the opponent's defense. Adaptation is a rare form of humility (or genius) in this ego driven business. Kelly is locked by his hubris, as much as I really liked what he did at UNH.
 

Ed Hillel

Wants to be startin somethin
SoSH Member
Dec 12, 2007
43,558
Here
As long as Tom Brady is the QB, any hires should be internal. Brady knows the offense better than anyone, and I'd rather not rock the boat with a system overhaul or potentially large personalities and egos.
 

alydar

Member
SoSH Member
Nov 19, 2006
921
Jamaica Plain
-1 on this idea. Chip is a train wreck of a personality and I'm not sure why you'd rock the boat at this point. You're not trying to band-aid together a wildly-injured offense with few healthy and talented skill players (as they have been in the past headed into the post-season).
 

NoXInNixon

Member
SoSH Member
Mar 24, 2008
5,296
I can't imagine Kelly has any interest in staying in the NFL. His chances of ever getting another head coaching job are infinitessimal, so he'll go back to college where his gimmicks apparently can work.
 

twibnotes

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 16, 2005
20,232
I'd be more interested in Kelly as OC next year if Josh McD leaves. Maybe there's a scenario where Kelly wants to have a bridge year to his next head coaching gig. Not sure why you'd want to disrupt the current coaching staff during the season though.
 

PedroKsBambino

Well-Known Member
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Apr 17, 2003
31,187
No harm getting input and ideas from him--it is not like BB and Brady are suddenly going to say "better defer to what Chip said, he's got a better tack record than we do" about anything if it doesn't resonate with them.

No reason for this team to worry about hearing bad ideas---they should get as many good ones as they can and we should trust them to sort out what fits
 

PayrodsFirstClutchHit

Bob Kraft's Season Ticket Robin Hoodie
SoSH Member
Jun 29, 2006
8,319
Winterport, ME
I'd be more interested in Kelly as OC next year if Josh McD leaves. Maybe there's a scenario where Kelly wants to have a bridge year to his next head coaching gig. Not sure why you'd want to disrupt the current coaching staff during the season though.
If Josh is interviewing for most of the head coaching gigs, there is probably work not getting done back at the office. I would see Chip as more of a substitute teacher in this scenario.

This might also serve as a way for Chip/Bill to see if they could possibly work together next season assuming Josh will get one of the available jobs.
 

RG33

Certain Class of Poster
SoSH Member
Nov 28, 2005
7,199
CA
I figured he would be the favorite for OC if McDaniels leaves, but not sure I see much benefit to bringing him in there now. I suppose it is an extra set of eyes watching film, but either way would think it is doubtful that he would play any significant role with the offense in the coming weeks.
 

Ralphwiggum

Member
SoSH Member
Jun 27, 2012
9,824
Needham, MA
I can't recall this board's feelings on the matter when they did this same thing with Josh while BO'B was still the OC. Had BOB taken the PSU job at that point or was he in the interview process?
Well I think the big difference there was a recent track record for McD in the same role with the Pats, and he was obviously a guy who had an established relationship with Brady. This is much more of a wild card.
 

PedroKsBambino

Well-Known Member
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Apr 17, 2003
31,187
Didn't the coaches union complain? If not, they certainly should have.
 

Eddie Jurak

canderson-lite
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Dec 12, 2002
44,475
Melrose, MA
I'd love to see this happen. I think that with BB and McD around, the "too many cooks" thing won't be a problem.
 

BigSoxFan

Member
SoSH Member
May 31, 2007
47,083
I don't get the apprehension. It's not like Belichick would rip up the playbook because of this. If anything, we might see a couple new plays. If Belichick thinks it can help, I'm all for it.
 

sodenj5

Well-Known Member
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Jul 14, 2005
6,619
CT
I said this in the other thread, but Kelly truly believes his system is everything and the players are interchangeable cogs. He doesn't change his system to fit his personnel or adjust for opponent.

As a Dolphins fan, I hope he takes over for McDaniels, who is basically the polar opposite. Having a tricky system works in college where the players change over every few years. The book is out on Chip. His offense doesn't fly in the NFL.
 

jsinger121

@jsinger121
SoSH Member
Jul 25, 2005
17,676
I said this in the other thread, but Kelly truly believes his system is everything and the players are interchangeable cogs. He doesn't change his system to fit his personnel or adjust for opponent.

As a Dolphins fan, I hope he takes over for McDaniels, who is basically the polar opposite. Having a tricky system works in college where the players change over every few years. The book is out on Chip. His offense doesn't fly in the NFL.
Even if he came to NE he wouldn't be running his offense. That is a fact.
 

Mugsy's Jock

Eli apologist
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Dec 28, 2000
15,069
UWS, NYC
In BB I trust. Period.
Truth. I don't like it, but my credntials are wanting.

And even leaving that cop-out aside, Kelly would be coming in to provide extra scouting perspective and another opinion. He'd never be in a position to overrule BB or Josh or TB12. He may not ever even be in a room with Brady.
 

5dice

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 31, 2001
663
west of town
Exactly. The idea that after being fired twice in 2 years he walks in and "does his inflexible offense" is silly. BB doing a friend a solid if it even happens.
 

TheoShmeo

Skrub's sympathy case
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Jul 19, 2005
12,890
Boston, NY
Truth. I don't like it, but my credntials are wanting.

And even leaving that cop-out aside, Kelly would be coming in to provide extra scouting perspective and another opinion. He'd never be in a position to overrule BB or Josh or TB12. He may not ever even be in a room with Brady.
I don't see it as that binary. Meaning I don't have any worry about Kelly taking control of anything. I worry that there's a good balance and injecting another ingredient into the mix COULD screw it up. Could. Not will. But I guess I don't see a lot of upside in experimenting now. This machine is already finely oiled.
 

Tyrone Biggums

nfl meets tri-annually at a secret country mansion
SoSH Member
Aug 15, 2006
6,424
I remember reading some articles from years ago where Bill actually consulted with Chip on some offensive hurry up schemes. Wouldn't be a bad person to bring in as a consultant/OC if McDaniels leaves. Either way he's got to be kicking himself for not going back to Oregon.

The most likely scenario if he moves on is Daboll getting the OC post. Bill doesn't really hire outside the organization.
 

Average Reds

Member
SoSH Member
Sep 24, 2007
35,330
Southwestern CT
Exactly. The idea that after being fired twice in 2 years he walks in and "does his inflexible offense" is silly. BB doing a friend a solid if it even happens.
Since no one is arguing that he would install his offense this is a classic straw man.

Chip Kelly has an established track record of being inflexible in dealing with other humans. I cannot imagine that he would add anything to the Pats as a special advisor and I can't fathom that they will do this.
 

Average Reds

Member
SoSH Member
Sep 24, 2007
35,330
Southwestern CT
I don't see it as that binary. Meaning I don't have any worry about Kelly taking control of anything. I worry that there's a good balance and injecting another ingredient into the mix COULD screw it up. Could. Not will. But I guess I don't see a lot of upside in experimenting now. This machine is already finely oiled.
This could not be more correct.
 

mauf

Anderson Cooper × Mr. Rogers
Moderator
SoSH Member
Bringing in Chip as a "special adviser" might give BB a chance to evaluate him as a potential replacement for McD -- who, let's face it, is unlikely to be back. So long as it's managed so that there's no downside to this year's team (and I think that's do-able), it seems like a good move.

Of course, I'm not as vehemently opposed as others are to Chip being the Pats' OC next season.
 

staz

Intangible
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Dec 2, 2004
20,659
The cradle of the game.
In BB I trust. Period.
Seconded.

If it happens, great. If it doesn't, great. I can see it being a problem, and I can see it being beneficial- particularly having played SEA 2X this season, should that experience become helpful.

But I bet BB can see it a lot more clearly than I can.
 

Ferm Sheller

Member
SoSH Member
Mar 5, 2007
20,404
You people who are saying that BB knows what's better for the Patriots coaching staff than you do are out of your fucking minds.
 

Average Reds

Member
SoSH Member
Sep 24, 2007
35,330
Southwestern CT
Help me understand the purpose of posting opinions on a message board if "the coach knows more than you" is used to shut down argument?

No one is claiming that we know more than Belichick.
 

E5 Yaz

Transcends message boarding
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Apr 25, 2002
90,014
Oregon
No one is claiming that we know more than Belichick.
Well, not ALL of us

Meanwhile, has this Kelly-as-advisor been seen anywhere independently other than the mention in the opening post? Media type remembers when BB helped out McDaniels in a similar situation, knows Kelly and BB are friends, puts 2 and 2 together and gets ... what ... 7? Sure, it's possible; but all we have is one guy's notion being kept alive by other media types who need something to write about for the next 5-7 days.

As for Kelly being a potential distraction: The only opinion that matters in this offense is that of Tom Brady. Does anyone honestly believe Brady's going to let the opinions of Chip Kelly disturb his focus?
 

Super Nomario

Member
SoSH Member
Nov 5, 2000
14,012
Mansfield MA
Greg Bedard said that's the common assumption but he heard BB might actually be higher on O'Shea.
Either would make more sense than Chip.

If Patricia leaves, it's a lot murkier. Brian Flores is the high man on the totem pole presumably, but he's only been on the defensive side since 2011. Would Pepper Johnson come back, or Patrick Graham, or Rob Ryan (kidding on that last one, mostly)? Flores has about the same amount of experience as Patricia did when he got the DC gig; maybe Belichick would make him the defensive signal caller but withhold the "DC" title for a season.
 

Rook05

Well-Known Member
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Jul 18, 2005
3,115
Boulder, CO
This is 100% about BB doing a solid for Kelly. Kelly is a good head college coach. Who knows if he'd be a great pro coordinator? He's missed the window for most of the prime college gigs. I think this is a water treading move until Kelly figures out where he wants to be. Either way, he's not getting a pro head coaching position anytime soon.
 

Kenny F'ing Powers

posts way less than 18% useful shit
SoSH Member
Nov 17, 2010
14,425
Either would make more sense than Chip.

If Patricia leaves, it's a lot murkier. Brian Flores is the high man on the totem pole presumably, but he's only been on the defensive side since 2011. Would Pepper Johnson come back, or Patrick Graham, or Rob Ryan (kidding on that last one, mostly)? Flores has about the same amount of experience as Patricia did when he got the DC gig; maybe Belichick would make him the defensive signal caller but withhold the "DC" title for a season.
Belichick junior, come on down!
 

CoffeeNerdness

Member
SoSH Member
Jun 6, 2012
8,711
I cannot imagine that he would add anything to the Pats as a special advisor and I can't fathom that they will do this.
This already happened when BB consulted with Kelly regarding the no-huddle offense that they used to destroy the Broncos in 2012.

“I was interested to hear how he did it,” Belichick said. “I would say he expanded it to a different level and it was very interesting to understand what he was doing. Certainly I’ve learned a lot from talking to Chip about his experiences with it and how he does it and his procedure and all that.”
https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2012/10/08/patriots-huddle-relies-power-one/nHTapuVnBOwfFlffwTrN6J/story.html

I don't really see a downside to this. He may be a stubborn, failure of an NFL coach, but the guy knows offense and having a fresh set of eyes who could help them scout their playoff opponents is a good move.
 
Yup. He could hire Bobby Valentine and I'd assume it's a good move.
Patriots post game show on CSNNE yesterday (paraphrasing first two lines)...

Mike Felger: What are the fans saying about the game on the Twitter machine?
CSNNE Flunky in charge of monitoring social media for station: Well Felgie, they're loving Michael Floyd. They thought he deserved a second chance and now that's paying off.
Felger: Oh please. Patriot fans would be all for signing Attila the Hun or Saddam Hussein as long as Bill thought it was a good idea.
 

Tony C

Moderator
Moderator
SoSH Member
Apr 13, 2000
13,694
Since no one is arguing that he would install his offense this is a classic straw man.

Chip Kelly has an established track record of being inflexible in dealing with other humans. I cannot imagine that he would add anything to the Pats as a special advisor and I can't fathom that they will do this.
Sure, but this is also a straw man. Kelly as a consultant can be as inflexible as he wants, it won't matter because he won't have power. What does inflexibility have to do with anything in that situation? He's a smart football mind for whom BB clearly has a lot of respect (his response to the Philly firing was very strong in Chip's defense). If it'd be helpful at this point to have a smart guy in the room as they break down opposing defenses/construct the offense, then great - whether or not Chip was inflexible as a HC is irrelevant to that.
 

PedroKsBambino

Well-Known Member
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Apr 17, 2003
31,187
BB always is happy to talk to smart guys---he talks to the mathematicians and economists about 4th down plays; he talks to top college coaches about their approaches; he talks to guys like Jimmy Johnson about motivation. Why would we be worried about Kelly here? As noted by a couple of us, he's not coming on to run anything he's just offering thoughts.
 

Ralphwiggum

Member
SoSH Member
Jun 27, 2012
9,824
Needham, MA
I'm not really sure where I stand on this whole thing, but BB is free to have whatever conversations he wants with Kelly, who presumably would return BB's phone calls, without actually making him a member of the coaching staff.

I think what people are worried about is something more than that, having Kelly on the staff and in meetings and the like. I think I probably come down on the side of trusting BB not to do anything that would fuck with things at this point. But for those who are saying they aren't enamored with this move it has nothing to do with BB having conversations with other smart people.
 

PedroKsBambino

Well-Known Member
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Apr 17, 2003
31,187
I'm not really sure where I stand on this whole thing, but BB is free to have whatever conversations he wants with Kelly, who presumably would return BB's phone calls, without actually making him a member of the coaching staff.

I think what people are worried about is something more than that, having Kelly on the staff and in meetings and the like. I think I probably come down on the side of trusting BB not to do anything that would fuck with things at this point. But for those who are saying they aren't enamored with this move it has nothing to do with BB having conversations with other smart people.
So the concern is what, then, that he'll somehow convince BB, MCD and Brady to do something dumb? That makes little sense given the guys we're talking about. And, to my point, the concern is totally contrary to what BB has long done anyway.