They do this every year -- use the rest of the rankings to help support their arguments at the top.The committee had to push LSU down in order to make FSU look worse.
They do this every year -- use the rest of the rankings to help support their arguments at the top.The committee had to push LSU down in order to make FSU look worse.
I keep seeing this clip and variations on the same quip. I'm not sure how the Michigan players were supposed to react. This isn't like a bubble team hearing that they got an at-large bid to the tourney. Do people really think they would've erupted into cheers if they'd found out they were playing Texas or Washington?
Under my scenario, I think that it has to be Michigan, Washington, FSU, and Texas, probably in that order. I don't see how else you do it. Otherwise you're fucking a power 5 undefeated conference champ to sneak in a one-loss power 5 conference champ. I think if Texas had not beaten Bama then clearly the committee would have fucked TExas and taken Bama but you can't do that given the h2h win.I don't really know. The unfolding narrative would have been different. I could see Bama getting dropped. Putting Bama in over Texas is hard. If FSU with Travis was undefeated, It's not clear how any argument besides narratives and preconceived notions has them worse than Michigan. Michigan played a horrible schedule this year yet it is a foregone conclusion that they are the #1 seed. Please go look at their schedule. No hate involved, I like Harbaugh, just go look at that schedule. You're going to say OSU. OSU beat no one and needed a miracle at South Bend.
Logic would seem to make him second at worst (Penix) but logic is irrelevant. He is out.I don’t watch enough to make this determination, but should Jordan Travis at least get an invite to New York?
Some teams have 20 players in the portal. Texas A&M has many lineman and WRs and a QB. Some teams might cancel due to not enough players.Ooh.. rumors on the internets that multiple Florida State players are opting out of the bowl game. Doesn't sound like a forfeit is coming but more like the Orange Bowl is going to be a glorified scrimmage.
A&M did this “due to Covid” in 2021Canceling a game sounds very extreme
I just wish the players had strung it along until they could totally fuck over the TV folks the day of the game.Rumors that Florida State might boycott the Orange Bowl. Press conference tomorrow cancelled.
This is incorrect.I have no idea; I was referring to picking the final four in general, and I made no representation that the committee got it "right." But proclamations that "the regular season makes no difference" or arguing about margins of victory over various opponents earlier in the season are nonsensical. The impact of those close wins/loses has already been baked into the rankings on a week-over-week basis, and the regular season has brought us to the point where we have a handful of teams that can all make a very good case for being in. The arguments are heated because the margins between the teams are pretty small vis a vis the rest of the field.
Along those lines, I also don't get why this is some monumental dis to the ACC; it has nothing to do with the strength of the conference. FSU is obviously in if Travis is healthy, but he's not, and the committee has not unreasonably decided that FSU can't hang with the other participants given that reality.
Your arguments have been pretty successfuly rebuked by @CFB_Rules and @smokin joe wood and you keep moving the goal posts or basically putting your fingers in your ears. The crux of your argument is that FSU should be penalized because their conference, and more specifically Clemson, had a down year (even though they had a winning record against the SEC, go figure)What was their most impressive win?
The crux of my argument is that FSU being left out isn't the unjust result that many people are making it out to be. It's not clear that FSU is better than Alabama (or Texas). How many of the Michigan fans of this board would rather play FSU than Alabama (or at least have no preference either way)? I'm betting none, and that they would all prefer to play FSU. That alone is indication that Alabama making it over FSU isn't unjust.Your arguments have been pretty successfuly rebuked by @CFB_Rules and @smokin joe wood and you keep moving the goal posts or basically putting your fingers in your ears. The crux of your argument is that FSU should be penalized because their conference, and more specifically Clemson, had a down year (even though they had a winning record against the SEC, go figure)
The SEC had a down year this year. The only teams that scheduled tough non-conference games lost (Alabama AT HOME to Texas and LSU on a neutral field to FSU). They all cannibalized each other.
What is Georgia's most impressive non-SEC win? They played Tennessee-Martin, Ball State, UAB and Georgia Tech
Alabama's? They played Texas (L), USF on the road (struggled mightily to win), Chattanooga, and Middle Tennessee.
So the best non-conference win for BOTH teams is.....USF.
I still blame Louisville in a very weird game they played.I'd add Florida AT Utah (another SEC loss) as a tough non-conference game.
This is all Auburn's fault .
This is the ultimate slippery slope argument because it gets incredibly close to "why even play the games?". Just let Vegas decide the 4 best teams at the beginning of the year and that's the playoff.The crux of my argument is that FSU being left out isn't the unjust result that many people are making it out to be. It's not clear that FSU is better than Alabama (or Texas). How many of the Michigan fans of this board would rather play FSU than Alabama (or at least have no preference either way)? I'm betting none, and that they would all prefer to play FSU. That alone is indication that Alabama making it over FSU isn't unjust.
Yes, I think it's a combination of who's deserving based on record and with emphasis on later games over earlier games. They'd rather have the Alabama team that beat Georgia than the FSU team that struggled against Louisville (even though FSU's second-string QB will be healthy in a month), even though FSU had the better record (but only by a game and they had their share of "close calls", too)....what have you done for me lately...
Huh. Had no idea you were on the selection committee. I don't think they could have left FSU out if Travis is still playing regardless of how much they wanted Alabama in; in that scenario, even if your hypothesis about the raging Bama boner the marketing guys have is true, I'd guess Texas is out in the cold.This is incorrect.
FSU was out the moment Alabama beat Georgia. Doesn't matter if they have Travis or not.
CFB is driven completely by money and ratings. The $EC is it's cash cow. They weren't leaving out Alabama and because Texas beat Alabama at home (and also because Texas is joining the $EC next year), Texas had to be in too.
I would think FSU probably gets in. Why would UGA get in over conference champs (one of which, using CFB math, beat the team that beat UGA)? I guess if the posters above are right on the SEC >>>> all front.If every game had gone as it did, but Auburn beat Alabama, what happens? A two loss SEC champ makes the playoff? Or UGA makes the playoff? Neither, and FSU gets in? UGA and FSU but no Texas or Alabama?
I think the latter - because the committee could say that the Texas victory over a two loss team, even the SEC champion, would be devalued.
Louisville was down 10-6 and had goal to go in the 4th when Plummer threw a pick. It was a 1 score game until 3 minutes to go. The result was very much in doubt.Yeah the whole Bama is peaking argument is really shaky given their miracle win against Auburn. We’re not talking about a struggle like FSU vs Louisville where the outcome was rarely if ever in doubt. We are talking about a once every 10 years type of miracle win.
That was early 4th quarter, but ok, I guess.Louisville was down 10-6 and had goal to go in the 4th when Plummer threw a pick. It was a 1 score game until 3 minutes to go. The result was very much in doubt.
It has nothing to do with a raging Bama boner. It’s a RAGING SEC boner.Huh. Had no idea you were on the selection committee. I don't think they could have left FSU out if Travis is still playing regardless of how much they wanted Alabama in; in that scenario, even if your hypothesis about the raging Bama boner the marketing guys have is true, I'd guess Texas is out in the cold.
I don't really have any issue with the idea that the committee wanted Alabama over FSU; I'm just hypothesizing about what they would be forced to do if FSU still had Travis. iJust have to agree to disagree, I guess.
Hah--I don't think we actually disagree all that much. I woke up the night after the championship games half-expecting to see them cram both Bama and Georgia in. We're just weighing the corruption/bad publicity vector differently.It has nothing to do with a raging Bama boner. It’s a RAGING SEC boner.
Maybe you’re right and Travis being injured just gave the cabal deciding who makes the playoffs the excuse to do what they wanted to do and pack in the “Power Two”
Personally, I think it’s all such a fucking sham that I struggle to say with any confidence that Travis being out made that much of a difference. In the eyes of the committee and network executives, FSU is in a tier two football conferece. I think that had just as much to do with their exclusion, if not more, than the Travis injury.
This. And FSU was going to get trucked by Washington or Michigan and they want competitive games-at least on paper.It wasn't just that the Louisville-FSU game was close, it was that it sucked ass (while Bama is coming off two exciting games). They want entertaining games that keep viewers tuned in all the way through.
How about make the playoff be the champion of the SEC vs the Big 10? The Conf CG being the semifinal.This is the ultimate slippery slope argument because it gets incredibly close to "why even play the games?". Just let Vegas decide the 4 best teams at the beginning of the year and that's the playoff.
On paper is the key point. Because there have been plenty of blowouts in the playoffs.This. And FSU was going to get trucked by Washington or Michigan and they want competitive games-at least on paper.
Who do you think is a better team, Washington or Georgia?It wasn't just that the Louisville-FSU game was close, it was that it sucked ass (while Bama is coming off two exciting games). They want entertaining games that keep viewers tuned in all the way through.
Georgia, but they can't knock Washington out with a straight face.Who do you think is a better team, Washington or Georgia?
In that case, it's both not "the best team" or the "most deserving", but some random judgment with no criteria or consistency. They might as well use Vegas lines.Georgia, but they can't knock Washington out with a straight face.
Michigan coming out as the #1 seed while playing a joke of a non-conference schedule and barely winning at Maryland is the thing that gets me the most.Who do you think is a better team, Washington or Georgia?
One of Michigan's big wins - Penn State - featured them not passing the football for an entire half and relying on stifling defense. Shit, I could have legitimately played QB in that game, which is basically the model that FSU used against Louisville.
Accurate.I think it's "the best 4 teams at the time of selection among teams that can fairly be thought to have an argument to be in the top 4, with the caveat that no team shall fall out of the top 4 absent compelling reason (e.g., starting QB is hurt)."
Alabama isn’t very good. It’s going to be a 3 point game one way or the other. 20-17.Michigan coming out as the #1 seed while playing a joke of a non-conference schedule and barely winning at Maryland is the thing that gets me the most.
Alabama is going to roll them.
That would be a big departure from their last three bowl games against SEC teams.Alabama isn’t very good. It’s going to be a 3 point game one way or the other. 20-17.
Auburn? Arkansas?Michigan coming out as the #1 seed while playing a joke of a non-conference schedule and barely winning at Maryland is the thing that gets me the most.
Alabama is going to roll them.
Why the fuck would FSU get trucked by Washington. Washington hasn’t won a game by more than 10pts since since September.This. And FSU was going to get trucked by Washington or Michigan and they want competitive games-at least on paper.
I don’t have a problem with them playing a tight game, it’s more in reference how they were simply annointed the top spot while FSU is on the outside looking in.Auburn? Arkansas?
Maryland has been a pain in the ass two years in a row.