Holy fuck that’s a bad sign. It’s not the 80s any more.Yup. Neely said he wanted them to play more dump and chase in his end of year presser.
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Holy fuck that’s a bad sign. It’s not the 80s any more.Yup. Neely said he wanted them to play more dump and chase in his end of year presser.
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But (to me anyway) its not just his comments, its the offseason moves, which are more planning-oriented than midseason ones. I could be forgetting, but it doesn;t seem like "tempo" was much of a part of their games.We covered a lot of this in a different thread.
Neely and Sweeney’s relationship does not extend beyond work. I also took a close look at Neely’s comments and broke them down- he doesn’t not want “dump and chase” as we picture the 1980s style but rather a more up tempo style with greater flexibility on zone entries and OZ possession.
I’m not saying they’re correct, and I’d probably rather see Neely/Sweeney go than Butch, but people are reading what they want to from Neely’s comments.
Half the team is laid up at MGH for the next 6 months or so and they have some, but very little, talent as far as prospects go and no first rounder this year, so it's hard to envision him coming to Boston. An original six team but a fledgling one.The lead coaching candidate is Barry Trotz, who is a Winnipeg native and has already interviewed for the job.
Sadly they are stuck with Foligno thanks to DS, this move is BS.Extend Frobot? Bring back Foligno? Are they still paying Backes? Lucic available?
But seriously....Neely, much like Joe Morgan, seems to forget that he is favoring the kind of player that he was a million times more successful than. Neely was big and strong, but he was no plodder. He was something of a unicorn in his day, and he seemingly doesn't realize that, and is trying to recast the team in what is *not* his image.
I don’t know as much hockey as you experts here so I’m asking: is dump and chase a better style than what they’ve been playing?Yup. Neely said he wanted them to play more dump and chase in his end of year presser.
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It was thanks for sharing. That makes a lot of sense.I’m simply talking about his comments coming out of the CAR series. I think the linked thread is worth a read
Nope. The opposite actually. Modern data analysis have shown that dump and chase hockey is a quick way to lose.I don’t know as much hockey as you experts here so I’m asking: is dump and chase a better style than what they’ve been playing?
Makes sense, given the reboot. I'd add Marco Sturm to the list. I agree with Fluto that Sweeney will want his own guy, not a retread. Leach is well-known to many of the current players, Sturm played with Bergeron and Marchand. Carbery is highly thought of. Quinn obviously coached Gryz and MacAvoy. Leaman would be surprising, given his lack of NHL experience.Who are some possible candidates to replace Cassidy?
The Bruins will hire a coach with a track record of working well with young players. Former Providence coach Jay Leach, currently an assistant in Seattle, should be first in line among candidates. Ryan Mougenel, who replaced Leach in Providence, will also be under consideration. Other candidates include Toronto assistant Spencer Carbery, former Rangers coach David Quinn and Providence College coach Nate Leaman.
It took me way too long to realize that wasn't Shawn Thornton.John Buccigross throwing one idea that would be obscenely stupid:
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Carbery is really interesting. He's young (40) won ECHL coach of the year, moved to Hershey where his teams were really good and he won coach of the year, then the leafs hired him this year. It's hard to get a full read on his style but I watched some press avails when Neely threw Cassidy under the bus and I was impressed. His team in the AHL was really strong defensively but also pushed the pace on the offensive size of the ice. He was the ozone and PP coach for the leafs this year. If you remember the leafs PP before Carbery, they were super talented but very predictable. If you took away Matthews' shot, they couldn't score (sound familar?) This season their power play was unstoppable.Fluto
Who are some possible candidates to replace Cassidy?
The Bruins will hire a coach with a track record of working well with young players. Former Providence coach Jay Leach, currently an assistant in Seattle, should be first in line among candidates. Ryan Mougenel, who replaced Leach in Providence, will also be under consideration. Other candidates include Toronto assistant Spencer Carbery, former Rangers coach David Quinn and Providence College coach Nate Leaman.
https://theathletic.com/3352301/2022/06/06/bruce-cassidy-facts-bruins-firing/
On the bright side, going to the bottom of the league was what finally brought regime change after the Thornton trade. Having this strategy blow up in their faces might actually get ownership to clean house again, and if we’re really lucky, Connor Bedard.Nope. The opposite actually. Modern data analysis have shown that dump and chase hockey is a quick way to lose.
If they hire a bad coach, play a shitty and outdated system, and have additional injuries to the ones that they already have? Sure there is.Can't see any path to the number one pick absent crazy ass luck in the lottery.
Ugh, you just ruined my summer.If they hire a bad coach, play a shitty and outdated system, and have additional injuries to the ones that they already have? Sure there is.
Hell, there’s a legitimate shot that Coyle & Haula are the top two centers next year. That’s bottom of the league bad.
I would first pay attenton to what Dummy Hoy says here - I doubt Neely is calling for a return to 1980s style dump and chase.I don’t know as much hockey as you experts here so I’m asking: is dump and chase a better style than what they’ve been playing?
To win in hockey, a team needs to possess the puck in the offensive zone. The offsides rule means a team can't pass it in, so the only choices are either to carry it in or dump it in and go get it. Better to carry it in since possession is maintained. But, knowing the blue line is an obstacle, the defending team will try to have its guys guard the blue line and deny entry. A lot of the various "trapping" types of hockey defenses involve having 3 guys up on the blue line trying to deny entry. Dumping and chase is another option. If the D is focused on the blue line, and the offensive team is attacking with speed, then they can just dump the puck in and maybe win the race to the puck (the defensive players are closer to the puck but facing the wrong way and moving more slowly). On the other hand, if the offense has just been stood up on the blue line and they aren't moving with speed, the defensive team is virtually certain to recover.We covered a lot of this in a different thread.
Neely and Sweeney’s relationship does not extend beyond work. I also took a close look at Neely’s comments and broke them down- he doesn’t not want “dump and chase” as we picture the 1980s style but rather a more up tempo style with greater flexibility on zone entries and OZ possession.
as far as silver linings go, this one is pretty grim.On the bright side, going to the bottom of the league was what finally brought regime change after the Thornton trade. Having this strategy blow up in their faces might actually get ownership to clean house again, and if we’re really lucky, Connor Bedard.
My first year coaching high school we had a very bad team- the town had only restarted it's girl's hockey youth program a few years earlier, so the kids who were on the varsity team that year were pretty limited. We had a goalie who played college, and I'd say she was directly responsible for 4 of our 5 wins. Anyways...But there used to be an old joke that was somthing like: Q:"How can you tell that the player on a breakaway is a Bruin?" A: "He'll throw it into the corner and muck for it."
That's a nice description of how and why teams bring the puck into the OZ, but I'm not quite sure what you mean by, "the offsides rule means a team can't pass it in." I suspect it's a terminology issue. But as far as entries go, the data I see says that on average in 5 on 5 situations teams attempt to pass the puck into the OZ 13.2% of the time with a 70.4% completion percentage on those passes. They carry the puck in 39.2% of the time, and dump the puck in 47.5% of the time, with a relatively significant percentage of the dump ins made to facilitate a change of personnel. In 2021-22 the Bruins dumped the puck in 49.0% of the time, attempted to pass it in 11.6% of the time (with a 77.4% completion percentage), and carried it in 39.3% of the time.I would first pay attenton to what Dummy Hoy says here - I doubt Neely is calling for a return to 1980s style dump and chase.
To win in hockey, a team needs to possess the puck in the offensive zone. The offsides rule means a team can't pass it in, so the only choices are either to carry it in or dump it in and go get it. Better to carry it in since possession is maintained. But, knowing the blue line is an obstacle, the defending team will try to have its guys guard the blue line and deny entry. A lot of the various "trapping" types of hockey defenses involve having 3 guys up on the blue line trying to deny entry. Dumping and chase is another option. If the D is focused on the blue line, and the offensive team is attacking with speed, then they can just dump the puck in and maybe win the race to the puck (the defensive players are closer to the puck but facing the wrong way and moving more slowly). On the other hand, if the offense has just been stood up on the blue line and they aren't moving with speed, the defensive team is virtually certain to recover.
I think that in the modern game, the only value to dump and chase is as a way to loosen up the defense of they are overcommitting to the blue line and if the offensive team does it right.
But there used to be an old joke that was somthing like: Q:"How can you tell that the player on a breakaway is a Bruin?" A: "He'll throw it into the corner and muck for it."
I attempted to answer this question here.I don’t know as much hockey as you experts here so I’m asking: is dump and chase a better style than what they’ve been playing?
Roght you are on this one - I meant the more trivial observation that offsides rule limits what types of passes are available. You obviously can pass it in if it doesn’t involve someone going offsides.That's a nice description of how and why teams bring the puck into the OZ, but I'm not quite sure what you mean by, "the offsides rule means a team can't pass it in." I suspect it's a terminology issue. But as far as entries go, the data I see says that on average in 5 on 5 situations teams attempt to pass the puck into the OZ 13.2% of the time with a 70.4% completion percentage on those passes. They carry the puck in 39.2% of the time, and dump the puck in 47.5% of the time, with a relatively significant percentage of the dump ins made to facilitate a change of personnel. In 2021-22 the Bruins dumped the puck in 49.0% of the time, attempted to pass it in 11.6% of the time (with a 77.4% completion percentage), and carried it in 39.3% of the time.
I believe that was Ty AndersonWho asked the “Why Bruce and not you?” question? I want to buy them a fruit basket.
They're stuck in that 1990 mentality. My God.What the fuck.
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No, idiot. Winning is necessary in this market.
It's okay, they'll have Foligno back to cover the toughness partWhat the fuck.
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No, idiot. Winning is necessary in this market.
Gross, Don.What the fuck.
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No, idiot. Winning is necessary in this market.