Bowl Gamethread - Screw it, all the bowls.

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wibi said:
Co-worker of mine is an FSU grad and was talking shit about Oregon's chances in the past couple of weeks.  He hasnt responded to a single text I've sent today
 
And I'm sure he'll text you back when/if the Seahawks get bounced from the playoffs. 
 

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Sure, but top 8 seems to be the sweet spot for teams that SHOULD be in the national championship conversation. I can't think of a season where the 9th best team deserves to have a shot. Can you?
I can think of a situation where the 9th best team is pretty much as good as the 8th. One is allowed in, and one is snubbed.
 

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DannyHeep said:
 
Sure, but top 8 seems to be the sweet spot for teams that SHOULD be in the national championship conversation. I can't think of a season where the 9th best team deserves to have a shot. Can you?
Exactly. Obviously in an 8 team system the 9th team will bitch and moan but no one will really take them seriously. Like for instance this year no one would shed a tear for Ole Miss not making the playoff as the #9 team.

Edit: I'd even settle for a 6 team playoff with 2 byes
 

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Spacemans Bong said:
With the way the committee operates, isn't Florida State getting blown out while Texas Christian moidered Ole Miss kind of a prima facie case that they screwed up? From what I understand, the way they selected teams was very of the moment.
To be fair, the problem is with the system. As long as off-field qualifying factors (strength of schedule, style points, national rankings) matter more than won-loss record and performance within one's conference, the outcome with have a hint of joke to it. The obvious (to me) way to fix this, painting with a broad brush, is an 8-team playoff that has automatic bids for conference winners, with something else to complete the field. The emphasis should be on competition determining who gets to the playoff.

Overall, a healthy divorce from this antiquated, money-hungry bowl/ranking system is desperately needed. It works in all other sports. Go figure.
 

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DannyHeep said:
 
Sure, but top 8 seems to be the sweet spot for teams that SHOULD be in the national championship conversation. I can't think of a season where the 9th best team deserves to have a shot. Can you?
 
Nope, #5 destroyed #9. I think 6 seems to be the sweet spot, but the 8 with the Big 5 and 3 at large seems less controversial. But I don't want to deprive these student athletes of valuable studying time.
 

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Greg29fan said:
 
you might want to check the Big 12's bowl record before you start talking about joke conferences

 
 
Eh, don't let facts get in the way.  FSU's last game was a win against a Georgia Tech team that just beat the shit out of SEC juggernaut, Mississippi State.  That happened like yesterday though, so I wouldn't expect folks to remember that far back.  Much easier to just look at tonight's scoreboard and say that FSU sucks and their conference does too. 
 

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Deathofthebambino said:
Heep, it's not worth it.  It's just not. 
 
I can't stand FSU, but I really wished that this wasn't the result, so we didn't have to hear this nonsense.  It's a 5 point game at halftime, and FSU would have been winning if not for a reversal (a correct reversal) on a TD by Winston at the goal line.  They get the ball to start the half and are moving it, and the Freshman coughs it up.  They then give up a td in about 2 plays, and respond with one of their own.  Then the freshman coughs up another one.  They give up a td, drive the field again and then Winston coughs one up trying to make a play on fourth down.  They give up a td, and then the interception happens on a dropped pass (one of about 10 by my count) and they give up another td.
 
Folks who don't understand how football works will see the score board and think one team was overmatched, but that's not remotely true.  The FSU offense could have easily put up 40+ on this Oregon defense and kept this game close.  Those same people will also blame Winston for this loss, when he basically had nothing to do with it.  If his teammates aren't puking the ball up all over the field, and if his defense (and in particular one corner back wearing #26) didn't just lay down every single time they were called upon to make a play or a stop, he could have very well won this game by himself. 
 
Oh well, instead we'll hear about how folks said they knew FSU sucked and didn't deserve to be here, and whatever other shit they want to say.  It's not worth arguing about.
Oregon has 640 yards. 640! In what world is that remotely competitive?
 

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SoxFanInPdx said:
 
And I'm sure he'll text you back when/if the Seahawks get bounced from the playoffs. 
 
I'm sure he will if such a thing were to happen.  And I'd expect it because he's done it this year when Seattle was not playing that well.  
 

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And the defending national champs go out with class; over 70% of them went strait to the locker room.
 
Good job Jimbo.
 

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DannyHeep said:
 
Sure, but top 8 seems to be the sweet spot for teams that SHOULD be in the national championship conversation. I can't think of a season where the 9th best team deserves to have a shot. Can you?
I can't think of a season where a team below about 6 deserved a shot.
 

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Kremlin Watcher said:
And a trophy for a semi-final game? Give me a freaking break. Participation trophies and orange slices for everyone!
 
Well it is still the Rose Bowl.
 

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Kremlin Watcher said:
And a trophy for a semi-final game? Give me a freaking break. Participation trophies and orange slices for everyone!
It's the Rose Bowl, they aren't going to stop giving trophies for the Rose Bowl just because it's now a semifinal. 
 
AFC and NFC champs also get trophies. 
 

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70% of the FSU team heads straight to the locker room rather than show sportsmanship. Golly, what a fucking surprise.
 
 
Wibi just texted his coworker that fun fact to put a cherry on the ballbreaking sundae he's been serving up
 
 

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staz said:
I can think of a situation where the 9th best team is pretty much as good as the 8th. One is allowed in, and one is snubbed.
 
That wasn't the question. Name a time where the 9th ranked team deserved the championship. Otherwise you agree.
 

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tims4wins said:
Oregon has 640 yards. 640! In what world is that remotely competitive?
 
And Florida State had 530, despite committing 5 fucking turnovers.  Up until the Freshman coughed it up on 2 out of 3 possessions, this game could have gone either way, and I'm sorry if you don't understand that.  Sometimes, bounces just go the wrong way.  There is no excuse for FSU laying down after they fell behind by about 25 or so, and their defense was a sieve, but their offense was playing toe to toe with Oregon's until they started fumbling it away.  They literally just had to hang onto the ball and this game would have been completely different.  It's not like they were even fantastic plays by the defense or blind side strip sacks.  They were soft as shit fumbles and a dropped pass that ended up in the hands of the defender. 
 

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Deathofthebambino said:
 
And Florida State had 530, despite committing 5 fucking turnovers.  Up until the Freshman coughed it up on 2 out of 3 possessions, this game could have gone either way, and I'm sorry if you don't understand that.  Sometimes, bounces just go the wrong way.  There is no excuse for FSU laying down after they fell behind by about 25 or so, and their defense was a sieve, but their offense was playing toe to toe with Oregon's until they started fumbling it away.  They literally just had to hang onto the ball and this game would have been completely different.  It's not like they were even fantastic plays by the defense or blind side strip sacks.  They were soft as shit fumbles and a dropped pass that ended up in the hands of the defender. 
So FSU is good because they cough up "soft as shit" fumbles and drop passes? Uh ok?
 

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McBride11 said:
 
Nope, #5 destroyed #9. I think 6 seems to be the sweet spot, but the 8 with the Big 5 and 3 at large seems less controversial. But I don't want to deprive these student athletes of valuable studying time.
 
I could get onboard with 6, but I agree that 8 is the safe spot where no bitching (serious bitching) will occur.
 

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Holy shit why didn't the Buckeyes jump on that football in the endzone????
 

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54thMA said:
 
Since the previous game was about 4.5 hours long, 1:30 probably.
 
Crap.
 
 
FML.
 
I'm glad I'm my own boss because there is a 0% chance I am waking up at 5:50am tomorrow for work. Still, I hate showing up to the office later than 7:30am. At least it's a Friday.
 

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Deathofthebambino said:
Heep, it's not worth it.  It's just not. 
 
I can't stand FSU, but I really wished that this wasn't the result, so we didn't have to hear this nonsense.  It's a 5 point game at halftime, and FSU would have been winning if not for a reversal (a correct reversal) on a TD by Winston at the goal line.  They get the ball to start the half and are moving it, and the Freshman coughs it up.  They then give up a td in about 2 plays, and respond with one of their own.  Then the freshman coughs up another one.  They give up a td, drive the field again and then Winston coughs one up trying to make a play on fourth down.  They give up a td, and then the interception happens on a dropped pass (one of about 10 by my count) and they give up another td.
 
Folks who don't understand how football works will see the score board and think one team was overmatched, but that's not remotely true.  The FSU offense could have easily put up 40+ on this Oregon defense and kept this game close.  Those same people will also blame Winston for this loss, when he basically had nothing to do with it.  If his teammates aren't puking the ball up all over the field, and if his defense (and in particular one corner back wearing #26) didn't just lay down every single time they were called upon to make a play or a stop, he could have very well won this game by himself. 
 
Oh well, instead we'll hear about how folks said they knew FSU sucked and didn't deserve to be here, and whatever other shit they want to say.  It's not worth arguing about.
I don't really have a dog in this fight, but FSU was ranked 109th this year in turnovers, and 80-somthing in turnover differential.  It's part of who they were as a team.  To say it was competitive except for the turnovers--as if they shouldn't have been expected, particularly in a game against a team as strong as Oregon--is kind of a weird argument.
 

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tims4wins said:
So FSU is good because they cough up "soft as shit" fumbles and drop passes? Uh ok?
 
Move on. You are wrong It is ok, You will be wrong again. Name one sport where an undefeated team is denied a shot at the championship. If you can't you should move along.
 

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Deathofthebambino said:
Heep, it's not worth it.  It's just not. 
 
I can't stand FSU, but I really wished that this wasn't the result, so we didn't have to hear this nonsense.  It's a 5 point game at halftime, and FSU would have been winning if not for a reversal (a correct reversal) on a TD by Winston at the goal line.  They get the ball to start the half and are moving it, and the Freshman coughs it up.  They then give up a td in about 2 plays, and respond with one of their own.  Then the freshman coughs up another one.  They give up a td, drive the field again and then Winston coughs one up trying to make a play on fourth down.  They give up a td, and then the interception happens on a dropped pass (one of about 10 by my count) and they give up another td.
 
Folks who don't understand how football works will see the score board and think one team was overmatched, but that's not remotely true.  The FSU offense could have easily put up 40+ on this Oregon defense and kept this game close.  Those same people will also blame Winston for this loss, when he basically had nothing to do with it.  If his teammates aren't puking the ball up all over the field, and if his defense (and in particular one corner back wearing #26) didn't just lay down every single time they were called upon to make a play or a stop, he could have very well won this game by himself. 
 
Oh well, instead we'll hear about how folks said they knew FSU sucked and didn't deserve to be here, and whatever other shit they want to say.  It's not worth arguing about.
I like to think that I understand football, and watched a complete beat down. You lost me right up front. FSU would have been winning, if they did not reverse a TD that did not happen.....Uhm....what does that even mean?
 
Scoring 40 (they obviously did not) and keep the game close - moral victory?
 
Winston was okay, but he had several balls that were not sharp. And his stamp on the game was the absurd scramble/fumble/OR TD play. That can't happen.
 
I DEFINITELY thought FSU should be here. They ran the damn table, you get rewarded for that. I expected OR to win, but certainly not by this margin. They have an underrated defense with played with energy, and FSU was not going to be able to match the points of the Ducks O.
 

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johnmd20 said:
 
You're being obtuse. Are you doing it on purpose?
Well it's New Year's Day and I've been drinking for how many hours so I'm gonna say yes.

Just having a little fun. I get why FSU was there and like I said upthread the committee had no choice. It is just slightly frustrating since a lot of folks had a feeling they would get destroyed.