2023 MLB Draft
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In terms of timing, Hatfield notes that it's normal for them to announce the signings in groups.
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We were chatting about Phoenix Call earlier. He's a 15th rounder who can get $150k without the Sox needing to reach into the bonus pool. It remains to be seen if they will / how much they will but the thought is that $150k will not get it done.
The three high schoolers they picked from the 15th round on (Phoenix Call, Dylan Schlaegel, Robert Orloski) are all question marks. Everyone else should be expected to sign.
11th rounder is looking pretty good, too.
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Curious. With all the draftees signing, presumably most will be assigned to the org a some level. Does this necessitate a corresponding promotion or cut from said rosters to make room for the new draftee’s? If so, why don’t I ever hear about players getting let loose?
It’s a good question but I think it’s mostly because the guys getting released are fairly unknown, and not so much of it happens midseason as generally not too many draft picks play that same season. FWIW, NY released two minor leaguers today.
Yeah, it's mostly like a gradual progression thing. For example, the Greenville Drive (high-A) have a 27 y/o relief pitcher named Casey Cobb who was signed as a UDFA after the 2020 draft. He allowed 3 runs in 2.1 innings today in a 6-4 loss & raised his ERA to 7.07. If pitchers get bumped up to make room for new guys, he's someone who could fade out of the system & no one would really notice & it's not like there would be a big news story about it.
Most of these kids are going to be in Ft Myers for the majority of this season. The top kids they’ll move up to the lower levels, so you won’t see as much cutting this season (IMO). Those moves will most likely be in the off-season
There's no roster limit in rookie ball (the complex league) so they can put a lot of draftees down there without making cuts. I think nine draftees from the first ten rounds of the 2022 draft started with FCL assignments.
We seem to be keeping out signings under wraps compared to most teams.
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They’ve done this the last few years. They’re one of the last few teams to announce the big signings.
Wow, that's a lot of savings! He must've meant what he said with wanting Varitek prep time.
IIRC, Boras represented Tek back in the day, and honored (presumably grumpily) Tek's desire to stay in Boston when he may have had a better free agent market?
Edit: more background here...https://bleacherreport.com/articles/112460-does-jason-varitek-even-like-scott-boras
Teel really had little leverage, though. He certainly wasn’t going back to school for his senior year. Probably some truth to wanting to work with Tek right away (although how much is that really going to happen?) but also a way for Boras to rationalize an under slot deal (similar to how he used the “Tek didn’t want to go anywhere else” line many years ago when other offers seemed to fail to materialize).
I think all the fresh signings are coming to Boston to hit in BP and meet the MLB team and coaches.
Back-of-the-envelope math says they have about $2.5M left (assuming they use the 5% overage) allocated to Anderson, Duffy, Reimer, and any >$150k bonuses after round 10.
$8,251,200 on Teel, Zanetello, Campbell, Early, Weins, Rose, O’Donnell, Wehunt, and Ammons. $10,295,100 in pool money, $10,809,855 with the overage.
$8,251,200 on Teel, Zanetello, Campbell, Early, Weins, Rose, O’Donnell, Wehunt, and Ammons. $10,295,100 in pool money, $10,809,855 with the overage.
I know Taylor signed but haven’t heard the amount yet. (11th round). Be curious if he’s over $150k.
A little surprised we had to go so far overslot for 2nd (50th) and 3rd (83rd) round picks* since the draft grades articles I've seen** were not particularly ecstatic about either the Zanetello or Anderson picks at their draft slots. I guess they were both late risers? Certainly Sox nailed it with previous late-riser Roman Anthony so will be happy to see pundits be proven wrong.
*$3m over $1.7m slot for Zanetello and $1.5m over $0.85m slot for Anderson
**Keith Law has Zanetello 33rd/Anderson outside top-100
Kiley McDaniel (ESPN) 64/72
MLB Pipeline 52/77
Sporting News 49/77
ProspectsLive 54/87
*$3m over $1.7m slot for Zanetello and $1.5m over $0.85m slot for Anderson
**Keith Law has Zanetello 33rd/Anderson outside top-100
Kiley McDaniel (ESPN) 64/72
MLB Pipeline 52/77
Sporting News 49/77
ProspectsLive 54/87
Agreed. All I can surmise is that they really like these kids. Here’s to hoping they’re right.
Hatfield thinks still probably not enough for Call. I wonder if they get Schlaegel/Orloski?
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You are not bidding against their current ranking. You are bidding against what other teams are willing to pay them. It was reported that the Zanatello was in a bidding war between the Sox at pick 50 and the Nationals at pick 40. So the Sox had to promise him more than the Nats would have paid him. That is why Fabian didn’t sign with the Red Sox. He had a deal that would have paid him more at a later pick and the Sox took him anyway.
Interesting, hadn't seen the Nats considering picking him 40th. Suspicious it can be that cut and try with so many moving parts though (many teams and many rankings). Was there reporting I missed on that being why they didn't sign Fabian? If anything the Sox not signing Fabian is evidence that these pre-draft agreements are not so cut and dry, since obviously they wouldn't have wasted the pick if they thought they weren't close.
In either case my point was more about if it's worth going so far over slot on a guy that universally is ranked right around where they picked him (only Law had Zanatello higher than 49th). Same with Anderson. I'm a big NBA/NFL draftnik and in general teams don't consistently beat the consensus. That said, MLB's draft seems different since the skill gap is so much more vast from HS to the pros.
Here is a report about Fabian being offered 3 million by someone after the Sox.
https://www.nbcsportsboston.com/mlb/boston-red-sox/report-second-round-pick-fabian-wont-sign-with-red-sox/185250/
Here is a report about Zanatello.
https://www.si.com/mlb/red-sox/news/red-sox-reportedly-won-bidding-war-to-secure-high-upside-draft-prospect-scott7
Rumor has it was the Orioles who Fabian eventually went to the following year. The Sox may have thought they could lowball Fabian because he was a college player and most college players don’t have as much leverage as high school players. See Teel getting under slot even though most evaluators had him ranked higher. Fabian was a special case because he still had two years of eligibility in college. Most college players just have one so they have no leverage when they come out as seniors. That is why a “senior sign” is a thing. Many seniors are drafted in rounds 4-10 so teams can pay them way under slot and give higher bonuses to high school players. The Sox signed some for only $10,000 a year or two ago to save bonus money.
The MLB draft is bizarre the team gets a pool of money to distribute how they want. That means that teams have to try and cut deals beforehand to try and maximize the draft in total. The prime example being the Pirates who took Henry Davis to save a lot of money and then draft three high end high school players with the following 3 picks. That strategy is probably the reason the Sox got Marcelo at 4. From a strategic perspective the MLB draft is super interesting for how a team wants allocate their picks and also gives players a little bit of influence in where they are drafted which I think is a good thing.
In the NFL and NBA the draft slot salaries are specifically for that spot so teams can just draft the player they think is best at every pick. Each pick is independent as far as salary is concerned.
https://www.nbcsportsboston.com/mlb/boston-red-sox/report-second-round-pick-fabian-wont-sign-with-red-sox/185250/
Here is a report about Zanatello.
https://www.si.com/mlb/red-sox/news/red-sox-reportedly-won-bidding-war-to-secure-high-upside-draft-prospect-scott7
Rumor has it was the Orioles who Fabian eventually went to the following year. The Sox may have thought they could lowball Fabian because he was a college player and most college players don’t have as much leverage as high school players. See Teel getting under slot even though most evaluators had him ranked higher. Fabian was a special case because he still had two years of eligibility in college. Most college players just have one so they have no leverage when they come out as seniors. That is why a “senior sign” is a thing. Many seniors are drafted in rounds 4-10 so teams can pay them way under slot and give higher bonuses to high school players. The Sox signed some for only $10,000 a year or two ago to save bonus money.
The MLB draft is bizarre the team gets a pool of money to distribute how they want. That means that teams have to try and cut deals beforehand to try and maximize the draft in total. The prime example being the Pirates who took Henry Davis to save a lot of money and then draft three high end high school players with the following 3 picks. That strategy is probably the reason the Sox got Marcelo at 4. From a strategic perspective the MLB draft is super interesting for how a team wants allocate their picks and also gives players a little bit of influence in where they are drafted which I think is a good thing.
In the NFL and NBA the draft slot salaries are specifically for that spot so teams can just draft the player they think is best at every pick. Each pick is independent as far as salary is concerned.
I'm guessing it's either a typo of AVG for average, or he has SAVAGE STUFF. I am choosing to believe the latter until I hear otherwise.
We have one pitcher with savage stuff & another who now has wow stuff.
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Or “not.” It seems like the Sox drafted a number of signable strike throwers with middling stuff that they might be able to unlock.