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2018 U.S. Open--Shinnecock

Discussion in 'General Sports' started by Bob Montgomery's Helmet Hat, Jun 10, 2018.

  1. cshea

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    Tony Finau and Daniel Berger, final pairing.
     
  2. DeadlySplitter

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    I'm pretty sure the course is not the main reason DJ putted like utter crap today.
     
  3. johnmd20

    johnmd20 literally like ebola Lifetime Member Gold Supporter SoSH Member

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    Berger and Finau were ELEVEN shots back on Friday night and both are in the final pairing on Sunday.

    That most certainly has to be a record.
     
  4. Deathofthebambino

    Deathofthebambino Drive Carefully SoSH Member

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    Who is playing well?
     
  5. Papelbon's Poutine

    Papelbon's Poutine Homeland Security SoSH Member

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    I wasn’t able to watch every shot every golfer hit, as you obviously were, so I can’t comment on particulars like that. Perhaps somewhere on an earlier hole one of those guys hit what would be a perfect shot or what would normally be a tough leave but workable and instead it ended up being a double because the conditions were so hard that it ended up rolling into a swell forty yards away. Then that putt Speith missed doesn’t mean as much.

    I really don’t know what you’re looking for here. Do the conditions and setup bring luck into play more than usual? I think that’s hard to argue against. Would the game, in general, benefit more from there being bigger names in the mix tomorrow? I would say yes, you obviously disagree. Did they go too far? I think when you are getting footprints on the greens, Fay is agreeing on air and we see them watering greens all day, it’s hard to say they don’t agree with that. When I watch a golf tournament and a handful of holes the announcers are saying things like ‘it’s impossible to get close to this pin’ or ‘if you go a foot past it’s gone’ on an approach, yeah I think they went too far. They could have simply moved to easier pin positions and had it balance out a bit.

    Maybe settle down on insinuating that anyone who’s getting tired of the drama the USGA feels the need to inject into this tournament year after year - either with ridiculous conditions or setup or courses like Chambers Bay - is clutching pearls. None of the other majors have this issue, I just don’t get why the US Open has to.
     
  6. cshea

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    Oh and here’s Mike Davis!!
     
  7. dcmissle

    dcmissle Deflatigator Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Here we go with Phil DQ question ... matter of time with this panel.
     
  8. Papelbon's Poutine

    Papelbon's Poutine Homeland Security SoSH Member

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    To say it’s too hard. Guess he’s just a crybaby like some of us here.
     
  9. DeadlySplitter

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    Joe wants Phil DQ'd so bad
     
  10. dcmissle

    dcmissle Deflatigator Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Great, no DQ ... they are not going to Roger Goodell this thing when they have a rule on point.

    Fuck you Buck with your “feel.”

    14-5 Very Clear
     
  11. cshea

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    I fall in the camp where this is probably unfair but is still wildly entertaining. Looking forward to tomorrow.
     
  12. dcmissle

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    They acknowledged things got out of hand with pin placement on 3 holes. They admitted they did not foresee the strength of the wind. They promised to remedy this tonight.

    That is remarkable candor for a professional sport. One can only imagine the NFL or NBA in a comparable situation.
     
  13. RedOctober3829

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    Well tomorrow just got very interesting
     
  14. ezemerson

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    Duval, Nobilo and Chamblee giving the usga the business
     
  15. Bob Montgomery's Helmet Hat

    Bob Montgomery's Helmet Hat has big, douchey shoulders Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    I thought they were pretty good, especially Duval
     
  16. RedOctober3829

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    Mickelson/Fowler pairing early tomorrow morning
     
  17. ezemerson

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    Absolutely...all valid points
     
  18. cshea

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    Yeah, they put it too close to the edge and had no out for the change in weather.

    Like I said I still find it all wildly entertaining from a viewing standpoint, but Mike Davis shouldn’t be at the center of this thing every single year.
     
  19. cshea

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    Chamblee spitting fire at Phil

    Nobilo too

    Duval was a bit more subdued
     
  20. steveluck7

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    Absolute fire.(paraphrasing) “Show me the video of Hogan, Snead, Palmer (other legends) doing something like this. This was Phil Michelson disrespecting his position in the game, the game.”
     
  21. ( . ) ( . ) and (_!_)

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    There is an interview with Beef where he says that he and Phil were taking before the rules official spoke to Phil. Beef said that they talked about neither of them knowing what the penalty for that was going to be.
    Phil’s I’m taking advantage of the rules line is BS. And if you can’t trust a guy named Beef to be honest then who can you trust?
     
  22. dcmissle

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    Maybe presumptuous to grant Phil a position among that triumvirate, which I don’t recall Phil ever claiming for himself.

    Quick — someone send a camera crew over to Tom Watson’s house for a hot take.
     
  23. Bob Montgomery's Helmet Hat

    Bob Montgomery's Helmet Hat has big, douchey shoulders Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    He was talking about all time greats, and by any definition, Phil is in that group.
     
  24. dcmissle

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    The explanation doesn’t ring true. What rings true is that Phil lost his composure. He then felt more embarrassed about that than about offering an explanation that doesn’t pass the smell test but casts him in a composed and calculating light.

    The problem for Phil is that the explanation will soon become more embarrassing than the loss of composure.
     
  25. cshea

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    The standard bearer also heard Phil say “whatever I get, I get.”

    I’m going with it was a mix of frustration realizing another US Open was lost as well as giving an FU to the USGA.
     
  26. dcmissle

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    Not every great deserves a spot on Rushmore.



    We’ll all get over this b move, and the world will go on.
     
  27. Bob Montgomery's Helmet Hat

    Bob Montgomery's Helmet Hat has big, douchey shoulders Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    No one put him on Rushmore. In context, the statement was perfectly fine. Maybe listen to what was said before pontificating about it.
     
  28. BigMike

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    2015 was competitive, but it was played in a freaking amusement park, where you were often better off aiming at some mound 20 yards past the hole, and 25 yards to the right, rather than hitting a shot towards the cup, I know good courses sometime have the occasional backstop (ridge), behind the whole which can be used, but that course was unforgivably silly.

    We are talking about a course being unplayable where the 2 new leaders shot 66 today. I know they went out early and the course played harder as the day went on, but the course was set up to be playable today.
     
  29. Deathofthebambino

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    That's a bit disingenuous. 2 guys shot 66, and one guy shot 68. That's it. There was a grand total of 3 golfers out of 67 that were below par today. The same amount of golfers shot 80+ as shot +1 or better today.

    These are the best golfers in the world. Just because 3 of them got really lucky (and I guarantee if you go back and watch their rounds, not only did they get lucky with the conditions in the morning, I'm sure they got a couple of lucky breaks with good lies in the rough, decent bounces, etc.) doesn't make the course "playable," it makes them the exception to the rule.
     
  30. cshea

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    The last five groups averaged scoring was 3.5 shots higher than the first five groups. Typically courses do get harder as the day goes on, but that an enormous difference.
     
  31. Bob Montgomery's Helmet Hat

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    Especially given that the guys in the last 5 groups were playing considerably better than the guys in the first 5 for the first two full rounds.
     
  32. SumnerH

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    As everyone else on tour will tell you, just ask him.

    FIGJAM, indeed.
     
  33. Bob Montgomery's Helmet Hat

    Bob Montgomery's Helmet Hat has big, douchey shoulders Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    Yeah, his 43 wins and 5 Majors don't mean much. It's all about his bravado.
     
  34. Papelbon's Poutine

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    It’s amusing how many people choose to ignore/forget that sans Tiger, Phil would easily be the best golfer of his generation.
     
  35. SumnerH

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    He's definitely great. He's also definitely full of himself and annoyingly arrogant.

    The two aren't mutually exclusive. They're probably positively correlated, in fact.
     
  36. Sox and Rocks

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    I want his pro card revoked and him banned from the PGA for at least two years. He shamed everything the game stands for.
     
  37. Light-Tower-Power

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    So I guess Portnoy really would've won this thing with unlimited time and unlimited mulligans.
     
  38. Average Reds

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    The rules of golf are complicated, often contradictory and asinine.

    Under 14-5 he is not disqualified. Under 1-2 he absolutely should be. They chose not to apply it, which is their right. The whole thing makes the USGA look silly.

    The only time I can think of when a player did that on a US Open was Daly in ‘99. He was not disqualified because he did it in the fourth round, and I guess they are using that as precedent.

    I don’t much care one way or another. It’s kind of a shame that Phil’s arrogance is driving the story and not the tournament.

    FWIW, I’m always amused at the players complaining about how hard the course is because they can go -25 at the Quad Cities Open.
     
  39. Byrdbrain

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    The rule needs to be clarified, 14-5 should be for inadvertently hitting a ball in motion and should be a 2 stroke penalty. Purposely hitting a ball in motion to gain an advantage should be a DQ and should be covered by a different rule.
     
  40. PaulinMyrBch

    PaulinMyrBch Don't touch his dog food Lifetime Member SoSH Member

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    USGA screwed this up. The players don’t complain because a course is hard, they complain when it crosses the line and they aren’t rewarded for good shots. You hit it 15 feet from the pin you shouldn’t have to be focused on how not to 4 putt. No one is looking for a course where the winning score is -20. But today, when the leaders make the turn to the back nine, the guy who shoots +1 from there probably wins. Not exactly what you want to see.
     
  41. Zomp

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    At the end of the day, these guys all play the same course. So if it’s hard, it’s hard for everyone.

    I get the argument that the first groups out have an advantage because once the course dries out it becomes a lot harder however that's when you consider the extreme of the first group out vs the last group out which is usually at least an 8-10 shot swing.

    If this were Thursday or Friday I'd have more of an issue but this was on Saturday so I think all of the groups coming in had an equal playing field, which is all I can ask for.
     
  42. Average Reds

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    Rule 1-2 is all about intent, so the reality is that this distinction exists now. The USGA just chose not to apply it.

    Moving on. Should be a great last round, with tons of players in contention.
     
  43. terrynever

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    The 1963 Open at Brookline, played in high winds, featured a winning score of 293, nine over par. It was a memorable tournament. I think this one will be remembered, too, mostly because the USGA admitted it screwed up and misjudged the wind conditions for Round 3. It will also be remembered for Phil's disgraceful fit of temper.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1963_U.S._Open_(golf)
     
  44. Byrdbrain

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    Yeah that is why I said clarified and not changed, obviously there is some wiggle room that allowed them to apply 14-5 which they used to supersede 1-2, the wording should be changed so that wiggle room goes away.
     
  45. Bob Montgomery's Helmet Hat

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    Eagle for Phil at #5. The comeback begins!
     
  46. lapa

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    Makes no sense to me whatsoever that Phil didn't DQ himself, what is he hoping to gain by playing on? He's not winning this and he's hardly relying on the cash he'll win here. You would think taking the high road and saying ok my bad would be a lot more valuable to him in the long run than duffing around today
     
  47. cshea

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    OWGR points, Ryder Cup points, FedEx points, etc
     
  48. RedOctober3829

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    No matter how much water they put on the course, it’s going to bake in the afternoon. It’s the hottest day of the week and the winds will pick up later in the day as they usually do.

    I think anyone from +7 and up can win this. Just hoping for an exciting finish so there’s something else to talk about besides Rolling Ball Gate.
     
  49. RedOctober3829

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    Stenson was offered a bottle of water this morning. He declined and told them to use it on the greens instead. Classic.
     
  50. drtooth

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    Looking at the early players, they have really softened the daylights out of the course
     

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