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2018 U.S. Open--Shinnecock

Discussion in 'General Sports' started by Bob Montgomery's Helmet Hat, Jun 10, 2018.

  1. Bob Montgomery's Helmet Hat

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  2. Bob Montgomery's Helmet Hat

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    First- and second-round tee times for the 2018 U.S. Open, June 14-15 (all times ET)

    Thursday, No. 1 tee / Friday, No. 10 tee

    6:45 a.m. / 12:30 p.m. – Harold Varner, TBA, Matthieu Pavon

    6:56 a.m. / 12:41 p.m. – Michael Putnam, Scott Gregory, Will Zalatoris

    7:07 a.m. / 12:52 p.m. – Brendan Steele, Chesson Hadley, (a) Harry Ellis

    7:18 a.m. / 1:03 p.m. – Jhonattan Vegas, Dylan Frittelli, (a) Doug Ghim

    7:29 a.m. / 1:14 p.m. – Louis Oosthuizen, Jimmy Walker, Justin Rose

    7:40 a.m. / 1:25 p.m. – Bubba Watson, Jason Day, Brooks Koepka

    7:51 a.m. / 1:36 p.m. – Tyrrell Hatton Danny Willett, Ian Poulter

    8:02 a.m. / 1:47 p.m. – Kevin Chappell, Andrew Johnston, Daniel Berger

    8:13 a.m. / 1:58 p.m. – Bryson DeChambeau, Matthew Fitzpatrick, Matt Kuchar

    8:24 a.m. / 2:09 p.m. – Thorbjorn Olesen, Shubhankar Sharma, Patrick Rodgers

    8:35 a.m. / 2:20 p.m. – Lanto Griffin, Tom Lewis, (a) Jacob Bergeron

    8:46 a.m. / 2:31 p.m. – (a) Kristoffer Reitan, (a) Luis Gagne, Cole Miller

    8:57 a.m. / 2:42 p.m. – Mickey DeMorat, (a) Tyler Strafaci, Calum Hill

    Thursday, No. 10 tee / Friday, No. 1 tee

    6:45 a.m. / 12:30 p.m. – Scott Stallings, Sebastian Munoz, Matthew Southgate

    6:56 a.m. / 12:41 p.m. – Trey Mullinax, (a) Matt Parziale, Jason Scrivener

    7:07 a.m. / 12:52 p.m. – David Bransdon, Eric Axley, Tyler Duncan

    7:18 a.m. / 1:03 p.m. – (a) Garrett Rank, Mackenzie Hughes, Aaron Baddeley

    7:29 a.m. / 1:14 p.m. – Alexander Levy, Brian Harman, Patrick Cantlay

    7:40 a.m. / 1:25 p.m. – Paul Casey, Satoshi Kodaira, Branden Grace

    7:51 a.m. / 1:36 p.m. – Zach Johnson, Charl Schwartzel, Patrick Reed

    8:02 a.m. / 1:47 p.m. – Rory McIlroy, Jordan Spieth, Phil Mickelson

    8:13 a.m. / 1:58 p.m. – Hideki Matsuyama, Marc Leishman, Rickie Fowler

    8:24 a.m. / 2:09 p.m. – Charles Howell III, Bill Haas, Charley Hoffman

    8:35 a.m. / 2:20 p.m. – Sungjae Im, Russell Knox, Matthew Wallace

    8:46 a.m. / 2:31 p.m. – (a) Shintaro Ban, Sung Joon Park, Timothy Wilkinson

    8:57 a.m. / 2:42 p.m. – Dylan Meyer, Sulman Raza, Chris Naegel

    Thursday, No. 1 tee / Friday, No. 10 tee

    12:30 p.m. / 6:45 a.m. – Sam Burns, Brian Gay, Dean Burmester

    12:41 p.m. / 6:56 a.m. – TBA; (a) Chun An Yu, Wenchong Liang

    12:52 p.m. / 7:07 a.m. – Russell Henley, Aaron Wise, Peter Uihlein

    1:03 p.m. / 7:18 a.m. – Tony Finau, Luke List, Gary Woodland

    1:14 p.m. – 7:29 a.m. – Sergio Garcia, Jon Rahm, Rafa Cabrera Bello

    1:25 p.m. / 7:40 a.m. – Tommy Fleetwood, Francesco Molinari, Alexander Noren

    1:36 p.m. / 7:51 a.m. – Cameron Smith, Kyle Stanley, Pat Perez

    1:47 p.m. / 8:02 a.m. – Justin Thomas, Dustin Johnson, Tiger Woods

    1:58 p.m. / 8:13 a.m. – Haotong Li, Si Woo Kim, Kiradech Aphibarnrat

    2:09 p.m. / 8:24 a.m. – Jason Dufner, (a) Braden Thornberry, Brandt Snedeker

    2:20 p.m. / 8:35 a.m. – TBD, (a) Ryan Lumsden, James Morrison

    2:31 p.m. / 8:46 a.m. – Cameron Wilson, (a) Will Grimmer, (a) Philip Barbaree

    2:42 p.m. / 8:57 a.m. – (a) Rhett Rasmussen, Michael Hebert, Michael Block

    Thursday, No. 10 tee/ Friday, No. 1 tee

    12:30 p.m. / 6:45 a.m. – Matthew Jones, Ryan Fox, Shota Akiyoshi

    12:41 p.m. / 6:56 a.m. – Paul Waring, (a) Theo Humphrey, TBD

    12:52 p.m. / 7:07 a.m. – Richy Werenski, Roberto Castro, Ollie Schniederjans

    1:03 p.m. / 7:18 a.m. – (a) Noah Goodwin, Richie Ramsay, Kenny Perry

    1:14 p.m. / 7:29 a.m. – Keegan Bradley, TBD, Xander Schauffele

    1:25 p.m. / 7:40 a.m. – Lucas Glover, Webb Simpson, Graeme McDowell

    1:36 p.m. / 7:51 a.m. – Ernie Els, Steve Stricker, Jim Furyk

    1:47 p.m. / 8:02 a.m. – Henrik Stenson, Adam Scott, Martin Kaymer

    1:58 p.m. / 8:13 a.m. – Kevin Kisner, Ross Fisher, Adam Hadwin

    2:09 p.m. / 8:24 a.m. – Shane Lowry, TBD, Chez Reavie

    2:20 p.m. / 8:35 a.m. – Lucas Herbert, Brian Stuard, (a) Stewart Hagestad

    2:31 p.m. / 8:46 a.m. – (a) Franklin Huang, Sebastian Vazquez, Michael Miller

    2:42 p.m. / 8:57 a.m. – Christopher Babcock, (a) Timothy Wiseman, David Gazzo
     
  3. tims4wins

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    Rory Spieth Phil is a group? Holy shit
     
  4. Bob Montgomery's Helmet Hat

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    DJ, JT, Tiger is about as good as it gets
     
  5. cshea

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    How tricked out does Davis make Shinnecock after Koepka got to -16 at Erin Hills?
     
  6. RedOctober3829

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    Can't wait to be out there Tuesday and Friday through Sunday. Weather looks great and a lot of the best players are in form.
     
  7. Bob Montgomery's Helmet Hat

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    The difference is they have plenty of history at Shinnecock, whereas they had none at EH. They know how to set this up.
     
  8. Average Reds

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    At the same time, the memory of 2004 (when the overly aggressive set up caused them to lose the 7th green and almost a few others) will probably temper their efforts. Here's a good overview of what the USGA is doing for this year:

    https://nypost.com/2018/06/10/unprecedented-shinnecock-hills-going-all-out-to-test-golfs-best/

    It's going to be very difficult, but I won't be surprised if scores are lower than normal.
     
    #8 Average Reds, Jun 11, 2018
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  9. Saints Rest

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    Sunday will be my first time ever attending a golf outing in person. My business partner got a handful of VIP passes for the 1895 Club (A/C, private bathrooms, open bar).
     
  10. ConigliarosPotential

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    I would be very happy if the USGA held the US Open at Shinnecock every year. It's that good.
     
  11. RedOctober3829

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    Mickelson is at the podium and said this year is the best setup of Shinnecock of the 4 US Opens he's played in here. Says the balls out of the fairway won't automatically end up in the deep rough so touch is a huge factor.
     
  12. Bob Montgomery's Helmet Hat

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    I love the press conferences with these guys

    EDIT--DJ is just so laid back and non-analytical it's funny, especially compared to others.
     
  13. cshea

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    Apparently DJ just played Shinnecock for the first time yesterday. Normally that would be something that scares me off picking a player, but that seems about right for DJ. I’m not sure DJ and DeChambeau will be a pairing come September though.

    I listened to a few Open related podcasts this week. Seems like the setup is good. Everyone is nervous about 7, but the USGA insists it’ll be fine. Fairways are wide, averaging 41 yards, up from 26 yards in 04. It isn’t totally a bombers paradise with wide fairways though, there’s risk/reward depending upon the line/angle a player takes and Davis says the fairway bunkers are more in play than in previous Open’s there. They also closely mowed the green sides on almost every hole so there will be more run off if you miss or can’t hold a green.

    Can’t wait for Thursday. I’m a fan of carnage at the US Open, but not forced carnage from dumb set ups. Seems like this week will be a heck of a test.
     
  14. RedOctober3829

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    I’m on 7 right now. I’d say over half the shots have been short with the wind picking up this afternoon. It’s so hard for a ball to hold on the green. Rahm just got a ball that landed 2 feet from the pin and nearly rolled off. It’s supposed to rain a bit tomorrow so maybe that will help.
     
  15. RedOctober3829

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    If anybody is heading out to Shinnecock this week, I strongly encourage you to take the LIRR. The traffic situation is a complete disaster. Taking Sunrise Highway is inviting yourself to sit in a parking lot to get to Gabreski Airport. The shuttles take longer than expected to get to the course because of the traffic. The LIRR added a special train stop right across from the entrance to the course. I got the train at around 8 am yesterday and was on the course by 9:15-9:30.
     
  16. cshea

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    Some odds..

    DJ- 9/1
    Rory- 12/1
    Rickie, Rose, JT- 14/1
    Day, Spieth- 16/1
    Tiger- 18/1
    Rahm, Koepka- 20/1
    Hideki, Phil- 25/1

    I think I’m leaning JT this week.
     
  17. Bob Montgomery's Helmet Hat

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    I'm picking Rose, based on how he's been hitting his irons.
     
  18. RedOctober3829

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    Whoever can hit the most amount of low iron shots into these greens will win as not many of the greens will hold long iron shots.
     
  19. Average Reds

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    Hits the ball long and his irons land softly, which makes them ideal for links courses (generally) and Shinnecock specifically. I think that's a good pick.

    Surprised not to see Reed among those listed As top picks. He'd be in my top 5 based on his combination of talent and mental toughness.
     
  20. cshea

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    Eh, nobody likes him.
     
  21. RedOctober3829

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    To expand on this point, the USGA sent all volunteers(which I am one) an email with the average travel time between Gabreski Airport and Shinnecock for Thursday and Friday based on what it took the first 3 days. Mind you, it's a 12 mile drive to the course.

    Leaving before 5:30--30 minutes
    6-6:30 AM--45 minutes to 1 hour
    6:30 AM-8:00 AM--1 hour and 45 minutes
     
  22. cshea

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    Spieth starts bogey, triple
     
  23. Bob Montgomery's Helmet Hat

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    The wind is blowing big time
     
  24. ezemerson

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    My guy Stallings just posted a 9 on 14
     
  25. Saints Rest

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    Thanks for this. Keep us posted. I wonder if it gets better or worse as the weekend rolls on.
     
  26. cshea

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    The traffic is why Tiger is staying on his dinghy.

    Man it looks absolutely brutal out there.
     
  27. Zomp

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    Does the stream suck for anyone else?
     
  28. cshea

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    Yes, but seems to be better he past few minutes.
     
  29. PayrodsFirstClutchHit

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    I am watching the 4 screen view on the US Open site. Some lag but not too bad for me.
     
  30. cshea

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    If you like carnage, tune in. Phil, Spieth, Rory a combined +11 through 4 holes.

    Edit: Just had an army searching for Rory’s ball in the rough. Spieth in there too.
     
    #30 cshea, Jun 14, 2018
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  31. VORP Speed

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    Add in Hamptons summer weekend traffic? Worse.
    You gotta take the train.
     
  32. Light-Tower-Power

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    Charley Hoffman leading a major at some point on Thursday. Death, taxes, you know the drill.
     
  33. johnmd20

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    It's really amazing.

    Spieth is a damn shame. I bet him against Tiger today. Not looking good and Tiger is 4 hours from teeing off.
     
  34. bostonbeerbelly

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    Matt Parziale from Brockton has somehow played the first 10 holes of his day at even par. Pretty impressive.

    And I jinxed him as he bogeys 11 immediately.
     
  35. RedOctober3829

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    I was told by someone who was working in the VIP area that Tiger got a police escort from his yacht to the course so I'm not sure why traffic is an issue for him.
     
  36. Bob Montgomery's Helmet Hat

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    Well yeah, it's not.
     
  37. bostonbeerbelly

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    everyone else's feed down?
     
  38. Oil Can Dan

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  39. cshea

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    The Fox app is working way better, FYI
     
  40. cshea

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    Rory doubles 1, +9 through 10. May flirt with 90
     
  41. Saints Rest

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    What are they saying for later in the day?
     
  42. johnmd20

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    +10 now.
     
  43. RedOctober3829

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    I'm not out there today, but the best I can tell you is to take those morning times and use them as a baseline for how much time to give yourself. In my opinion, tomorrow will be the worst traffic day due to the combined US Open/regular Hamptons Friday traffic.
     
  44. RedOctober3829

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    73 of 78 players are over par as of this moment. Typical Shinny. What are the odds that Scott Piercy's -1 will be the leading score for the day?
     
  45. bostonbeerbelly

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    Very high. 95% or better. I don't expect to see much more than 12-14 players +1 or better after the day is up.

    I can't wait to watch the next featured group at 1:47.
     
  46. jcaz

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    The "par 3" second hole - playing 252 yards - has produced 0 birdies, 32 pars, 41 bogies, and 5 doubles. Scoring average is 3.65.
     
  47. RedOctober3829

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    That is an absolute bitch of a hole. Nobody I saw on 2 on Tuesday hit anything that would be considered a birdie opportunity.

    As of right now, here are some other hole scoring averages
    #3 500 yd par 4--4.68(38 of 70 players bogey or worse)
    #14 500 yd par 4--4.60(27 of 60 players bogey or worse)
     
  48. Light-Tower-Power

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    I might as well just go home because no work is getting done after 1:47.
     
  49. bostonbeerbelly

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    I haven't got anything done today anyways, so the afternoon will be more of the same.

    I will get in only 8-9 holes today as I am out at 4:30ish. But Friday off from work and no plans for the weekend will give me plenty of viewing.
     
  50. RedOctober3829

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    Rory has birdied his last 2 holes to get up to +8. If he can get to +6 he's not out of the tournament.
     

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