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A quarter into the season and Montrezl Harrell is leading the league in WS/48. Sure, I cherry picked a flawed stat to emphasize my point, but he's been great by most measures after a solid season last year. And credit where it's due, I recall the shit-poster formerly known as Brickowski was a big fan of his coming out of Lou when I had him pegged as an end-of-bench undersized big. Just another example of just how small the NBA has trended that he's playing as well as he is (and with as much burn as he's getting) at center. I feel like I re-learn this lesson every time I overrate a rim-protecting big who can't defend the perimeter. Kevin Willis should be the mascot of 90s basketball- beefy, immobile bigs are dinosaurs now, and who better embodies that than T Rex himself. Note to self- don't let Bruno Ferdinando be your new Festus Ezeli/Diamond Stone. And pay more attention to Sagaba Konate working in space.

Speaking of late bloomers, Noah Vonleh, who somehow is younger than Kyle Kuzma, should be life-coaching all of the 2016 lottery bigs. His shooting should regress, but the defense looks real and he's passing the ball well too. There's this phenomenon wherein shitty teams draft uber-young bigs in the lottery, and then give up on them too early when they struggle, only to watch them turn into useful players elsewhere. It's nice to take flyers on those guys as they're typically easy to acquire, still relatively young, and have at least learned a lot of the ancillary stuff about how to be a professional.

So take caution writing off really young guys too early. A corollary to this is that there's a bunch of teams out there now who have to be really encouraged by the way their 19 year olds have played. Doncic, Ayton and the Juniors (Jaren Jackson and Wendell Carter) are going to be really, really good.
 

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When your injury is literally what you are...



Dwight Howard (gluteal soreness) is listed as questionable on the injury report for Saturday's game vs. New Orleans.
 

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A quarter into the season and Montrezl Harrell is leading the league in WS/48. Sure, I cherry picked a flawed stat to emphasize my point, but he's been great by most measures after a solid season last year. And credit where it's due, I recall the shit-poster formerly known as Brickowski was a big fan of his coming out of Lou when I had him pegged as an end-of-bench undersized big. Just another example of just how small the NBA has trended that he's playing as well as he is (and with as much burn as he's getting) at center. I feel like I re-learn this lesson every time I overrate a rim-protecting big who can't defend the perimeter. Kevin Willis should be the mascot of 90s basketball- beefy, immobile bigs are dinosaurs now, and who better embodies that than T Rex himself. Note to self- don't let Bruno Ferdinando be your new Festus Ezeli/Diamond Stone. And pay more attention to Sagaba Konate working in space.

Speaking of late bloomers, Noah Vonleh, who somehow is younger than Kyle Kuzma, should be life-coaching all of the 2016 lottery bigs. His shooting should regress, but the defense looks real and he's passing the ball well too. There's this phenomenon wherein shitty teams draft uber-young bigs in the lottery, and then give up on them too early when they struggle, only to watch them turn into useful players elsewhere. It's nice to take flyers on those guys as they're typically easy to acquire, still relatively young, and have at least learned a lot of the ancillary stuff about how to be a professional.

So take caution writing off really young guys too early. A corollary to this is that there's a bunch of teams out there now who have to be really encouraged by the way their 19 year olds have played. Doncic, Ayton and the Juniors (Jaren Jackson and Wendell Carter) are going to be really, really good.
Astute post, and this is entirely a math issue. 3Ps are so valuable having someone on defense who can't get out and guard the perimeter is going to be a problem. That's why I thought RWill was such a good pick - he blocked yet another jump shot last night.

And note Alex Len appears to be adding a 3P shot to his game.

As a corollary to your post, I still would take a flyer on Bender when he gets cut. He's still young nad still trying to figure it out. I'd let him sit in a corner on offense but his ability to guard people on the perimeter and hopefully make 3P shots will at least make him a decent guy off the bench. IMO.
 

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A quarter into the season and Montrezl Harrell is leading the league in WS/48. Sure, I cherry picked a flawed stat to emphasize my point, but he's been great by most measures after a solid season last year. And credit where it's due, I recall the shit-poster formerly known as Brickowski was a big fan of his coming out of Lou when I had him pegged as an end-of-bench undersized big. Just another example of just how small the NBA has trended that he's playing as well as he is (and with as much burn as he's getting) at center. I feel like I re-learn this lesson every time I overrate a rim-protecting big who can't defend the perimeter. Kevin Willis should be the mascot of 90s basketball- beefy, immobile bigs are dinosaurs now, and who better embodies that than T Rex himself. Note to self- don't let Bruno Ferdinando be your new Festus Ezeli/Diamond Stone. And pay more attention to Sagaba Konate working in space.

Speaking of late bloomers, Noah Vonleh, who somehow is younger than Kyle Kuzma, should be life-coaching all of the 2016 lottery bigs. His shooting should regress, but the defense looks real and he's passing the ball well too. There's this phenomenon wherein shitty teams draft uber-young bigs in the lottery, and then give up on them too early when they struggle, only to watch them turn into useful players elsewhere. It's nice to take flyers on those guys as they're typically easy to acquire, still relatively young, and have at least learned a lot of the ancillary stuff about how to be a professional.

So take caution writing off really young guys too early. A corollary to this is that there's a bunch of teams out there now who have to be really encouraged by the way their 19 year olds have played. Doncic, Ayton and the Juniors (Jaren Jackson and Wendell Carter) are going to be really, really good.
Harrell has been great for a while now as you noted. The Clippers actually did fairly well in turning CP3 into some very useful pieces.
 

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Astute post, and this is entirely a math issue. 3Ps are so valuable having someone on defense who can't get out and guard the perimeter is going to be a problem. That's why I thought RWill was such a good pick - he blocked yet another jump shot last night.

And note Alex Len appears to be adding a 3P shot to his game.
I saw a stat recently about who's at the bottom of the league in terms of catch-and-shoot threes, which was intended to illustrate how remarkable it was that the only two non-centers in the bottom 20 were the 2016 and 2017 overall #1 draft pick PGs for the Sixers, but I was also struck by just how many centers are taking wide open threes these days.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&type=totals&per_minute_base=36&per_poss_base=100&season_start=1&season_end=-1&lg_id=NBA&age_min=0&age_max=99&is_playoffs=N&height_min=0&height_max=99&year_min=2019&year_max=2019&birth_country_is=Y&as_comp=gt&as_val=0&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&c1stat=mp&c1comp=gt&c1val=200&order_by=fg3a

55 centers this year have played more than 200 minutes so far. Of those, just about half are taking at least a three per game. Go back a decade, adjust the minutes accordingly, and it drops down to about 12%.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&type=totals&per_minute_base=36&per_poss_base=100&season_start=1&season_end=-1&lg_id=NBA&age_min=0&age_max=99&is_playoffs=N&height_min=0&height_max=99&year_min=2009&year_max=2009&birth_country_is=Y&as_comp=gt&as_val=0&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&c1stat=mp&c1comp=gt&c1val=1000&order_by=fg3a

In 2000, only 4 out of 60 did it (Raef, Sheed, Chris Gatling and Cliff Robinson. KG was close).

Gotta shoot and gotta be able to defend shooters these days.
 

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It’s amazing to think that not that long ago KG made a career out of taking 18-20 foot jump shots but never expanded that game out to the three point line.
 

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The Derrick Rose resurgence is real, folks. When Thibs recognizes it, and replaces Teague with him in the starting lineup, the TWolves could be a contender.
 

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The Derrick Rose resurgence is real, folks. When Thibs recognizes it, and replaces Teague with him in the starting lineup, the TWolves could be a contender.
I wonder how his 3P% is going to hold up. Career average of 30.5% and at 47.5% this year. If he can maintain something like a 35% clip... sign me up
 

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Covington and Wiggins have combined to go 1-29 tonight and the Wolves are still up 20 on the Bulls...
 

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I wonder how his 3P% is going to hold up. Career average of 30.5% and at 47.5% this year. If he can maintain something like a 35% clip... sign me up
9/13 from the floor tonight (2/4 from 3) for 22 points, 4 assists, 2 rebounds, a block, +18 in 31 minutes.

KAT continues to put up big numbers since the Butler trade, 35/22/6 tonight.
 

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I wonder what the best collective home record for a conference for a season is, the West is currently a ridiculous 97-42 combined.
 

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9/13 from the floor tonight (2/4 from 3) for 22 points, 4 assists, 2 rebounds, a block, +18 in 31 minutes.

KAT continues to put up big numbers since the Butler trade, 35/22/6 tonight.
Yeah but KAT didn't step up to Butler during his publicity stunt; he's soft man.
 

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Make it 1-30 in the final tally. With only two freaking FTAs total to mitigate it. For an overall true shooting percentage of ... wait for it ... .065.

With 2 measly assists and 2 turnovers, so call that a wash.

In a 15-point Wolves win.

If there were an Adjusted Game Score that factored in having to offset your two starting wings using up 33 possessions to score 4 total points, you have to think KAT just put up an NBA season-best.
 

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Just a random thought but E'Twaun Moore has turned into a really good basketball player.
Last year he shot .508/.425/.706 on 10.1 FGA/3.7 3PA per game.
This year he is at .551/.466/.667 on 12.3/3.7. He's averaging a career high 16.3 ppg.

Since the start of the 2015/16 season, he is at .493/.417/.710.

NO is pretty interesting in general. They have 5 guys averaging over 16 points per. Davis at 27.0, Holiday at 20.0, Mirotic at 19.1, Randle at 18.1 and Moore at 16.3. Those 5 guys make up 100.5 of the 118.8 points the Pelicans are averaging per game. Those 5 guys are all averaging over 12 shots a game, while the 6th is averaging 4.8.
 

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Magic hold on to win after a late rally by the Lakers to catch them at 104 with about 50 seconds left. Some glorious misses and defensive blunders by the lakers down the stretch!

I enjoyed it so much.
 

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Magic hold on to win after a late rally by the Lakers to catch them at 104 with about 50 seconds left. Some glorious misses and defensive blunders by the lakers down the stretch!

I enjoyed it so much.
+1, and I wasn't even watching!

Something for which Clippers, Warriors and Celtics fans can all sing kumbaya...
 

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BKNY giving the 76ers all they can handle up by 12 with a half a quarter left in the fourth.

Russell and Dinwiddie are battling Jimmy Buckets.
 

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If I’m reading the shot chart right, Simmons didn’t have a field goal attempt in the entire fourth quarter. He’s obviously immensely talented but his offensive limitations are most apparent in crunch time, half court sets when defenses are locked in, which will certainly rear it’s head often in the playoffs.
 

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Fox has the ball at the arc, goes around a screen and takes it to the hoop, making a layup going to the basket with a full head of steam, his momentum carries him into a cameraman and he careens into stands under the basket. Utah sees it has numbers and pushes the ball up for a fast break but misses the shot on the other end, and who’s there already under the basket to grab the rebound? Fox, who extricated himself from the stands and sped down the floor. That dude is fast.
 

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If I’m reading the shot chart right, Simmons didn’t have a field goal attempt in the entire fourth quarter. He’s obviously immensely talented but his offensive limitations are most apparent in crunch time, half court sets when defenses are locked in, which will certainly rear it’s head often in the playoffs.
He's distant number 3 on that team and I don't think he's going to be happy about it.
 

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If I’m reading the shot chart right, Simmons didn’t have a field goal attempt in the entire fourth quarter. He’s obviously immensely talented but his offensive limitations are most apparent in crunch time, half court sets when defenses are locked in, which will certainly rear it’s head often in the playoffs.
To be fair he is the Sixers 3rd option and maybe 4th if you prefer Redick shooting the ball. This is what Simmons is going to be relegated to with Butler around when the ball isn't in his hands.
 

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The Clippers go into Portland and defeat the Blazers 104-100. Tobias Harris had 34 points (14-22) and 11 boards to lead the Clips. Lillard had 30 for Portland.

The Clippers continue to be the one seed in the West and despite not having any true star players, they are deep and versatile enough that they can give any of the NBA elite teams a hard time. Maybe they are a regular season good team but I would not sleep on them. Unlike the CP3/Blake/Jordan teams, they seem to like playing with one another and are really fun to watch.
 

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The Clippers go into Portland and defeat the Blazers 104-100. Tobias Harris had 34 points (14-22) and 11 boards to lead the Clips. Lillard had 30 for Portland.

The Clippers continue to be the one seed in the West and despite not having any true star players, they are deep and versatile enough that they can give any of the NBA elite teams a hard time. Maybe they are a regular season good team but I would not sleep on them. Unlike the CP3/Blake/Jordan teams, they seem to like playing with one another and are really fun to watch.
Memphis loses.
Kings lose.
Clippers win.
Celtics don’t play.

What a great day of basketball for Boston!
 

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Maybe he'll get off his ass and improve his shot then.
I'm glad I'm not the only Sixers fan pissed off at this. I thought his shooting would improve this year and make him a real threat from at least 15 ft. What else was he doing all off-season? C'mon Ben!
 

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I'm glad I'm not the only Sixers fan pissed off at this. I thought his shooting would improve this year and make him a real threat from at least 15 ft. What else was he doing all off-season? C'mon Ben!
I would have liked to see this player develop more advanced back to basket moves to make a strength an even greater weapon if he wasn't going to work on his 3-point shot. I wouldn't ever want to see him take a face-up 15-footer though as he's already effective enough off the dribble with his leaner or getting to the rim.
 

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Quite the stat sheet for the Beard tonight.

47 minutes
54 points
17-32 fg
7-15 3fg
13-15 ft
8 rebounds
13 assists
11 turnovers

+7 in a 135-131 OT loss in DC. Haha.
 

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Kevin Durant is going to get paid a lot of money next summer. I know that was already a foregone conclusion but he is going to be worth every penny.
 

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Whew.

KD + KT = 153 points the last two games, and the Ws have needed every one of them.

And yeah: Vucevic has to be an all-star, right? Not just tonight — he's been a complete stud all year.
 

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Kevin Durant is going to get paid a lot of money next summer. I know that was already a foregone conclusion but he is going to be worth every penny.
He's pretty good. Last two games sans Steph: 93 points (on 59 fga), 19 rebounds, 16 assists, 2 steals, 4 blocks.

After his 13-13 from the stripe tonight, he's at a ridiculous 93.1% on the season (161-173). If there's one area that might nudge him past the KIng at this stage of their careers, that's it.

Edit: and probably the biggest play in tonight's win, more than any of the 49 points or even the dagger 3, was his insane chasedown block with the Warriors down 18 late in 3rd Q, about to go down 20 and seemingly dead in the water.

 
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Meanwhile Orlando is a fun team. The aforementioned Vucevic is great but they also feature guys like Gordon, Bamba, Isaac and Sniper Terrence Ross - all players capable of doing cool NBA things and carrying the team for a stretch. Clifford is a decent coach too.

The interesting thing about tonight's game was that the Magic didn't quit when it was evident that a Durant/Thompson avalanche was happening. A lot of teams fade in the face of that dynamic but Orlando kept fighting. They could be a dangerous team down the road.
 
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