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I mean, it was just last year that Philly was in the division hunt with two games to go. Then they got rid of a tremendous amount of dead weight, fired the idiot that refused to do basic things like audible, and added a bunch of talent throughout the off season. I'm a total homer and I get that and I generally always think they're about to go 14-2, but their defense looks top ten to me and with that anything is possible, especially in this crappy division.

So to say they had no real chance of contending seems like crazy talk to me. They just 'contended' last year. And while we'll all agree on the unlikelyness of the eventual NFC East champ running the gamut in the post season, NFL teams aren't wired that way. And you don't have to go back too far to see an example of a team with a pretty stellar d running the table in the postseason en route to one of the most unlikely championships ever.

I'm still a bit disappointed about the Bradford trade, but fuck it. Bring on the kid and lets see what we've got.
 

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I'm not an Eagles fan, but the best way to look at this is regardless of how they finished this season, they were going to trade Bradford after the season, because you don't make the kind of deal they made to get Wentz and then have the guy sit for two years. That being the case, the best they could have hoped for would have been that some team would offer them a first rounder for Bradford in the offseason, never mind a first rounder and a fourth rounder that could turn into a third or second round pick. So the deal had to be made. Plus while you may not be happy watching Wentz this year, you're going to be a lot happier next year watching him with a full season of adjusting to the speed of the NFL under his belt.

Don't look at it as missing a chance to win a crappy division this year (and get smoked by the Seahawks, Packers, or Cardinals in the playoffs), look at it as speeding up the timetable for contending behind the QB in whom the franchise has placed its faith.
 

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I didn't exactly expect it, but it's hardly surprising that (a) Tony Romo is hurt, and (b) a team with a rookie coach and no real prospect of contending this season decided to start the 2nd overall pick over two journeymen.

I was surprised all along that the gambling community thought so highly of Dallas -- this division always figured to be a two-horse race between Washington and New York.
I think you are crazy. The Giants defense is a train wreck. They've been a bottom 5 defense for some time and have overpaid a bunch of ok players - which won't help. Offensively they are plus but until they have a running game of any kind (again awful the last number of years) it's unbalanced.
The Redskins didn't beat a team that had a winning record last year and now have a division winner's schedule. People are hilarious thinking they are good.

Every team has warts in this division. It's IMO exactly why they are starting Wentz vs Daniels.
The Eagles have, imo, the best defense in the division (though lacking at LB esp if anyone gets hurt). The cowboys with Romo may have the best offensive. Without? unclear. The Redskins are ok, but as above they will be tested this year and we'll know more then. the Giants have one dimension, passing, and no D and no run game (that we've seen).
 

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Turner and CJ Smith indeed make it to the practice squad. Good players glad to see them stick somewhere.
Hart (shockingly) was picked up off waivers by the 49ers and some coach there who likes him a lot.
 

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I'm not an Eagles fan, but the best way to look at this is regardless of how they finished this season, they were going to trade Bradford after the season, because you don't make the kind of deal they made to get Wentz and then have the guy sit for two years. That being the case, the best they could have hoped for would have been that some team would offer them a first rounder for Bradford in the offseason, never mind a first rounder and a fourth rounder that could turn into a third or second round pick. So the deal had to be made. Plus while you may not be happy watching Wentz this year, you're going to be a lot happier next year watching him with a full season of adjusting to the speed of the NFL under his belt.

Don't look at it as missing a chance to win a crappy division this year (and get smoked by the Seahawks, Packers, or Cardinals in the playoffs), look at it as speeding up the timetable for contending behind the QB in whom the franchise has placed its faith.
I agree with the fundamental philosophy, but I think that the instances of QBs getting shelled early in their careers and never really recovering, or getting hurt behind crap lines and struggling to flourish makes me very edgy. It is a sample size of 1, but the McNabb protocol from 1999 seemed pretty darned effective. Now, with that said, the one area that everyone raves about with Wentz but which didn't seem to be a top attribute for McNabb was command of the huddle early in his career, so maybe that plays a part. But having the respect of the 10 guys in the huddle can only go so far.
 

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Turner and CJ Smith indeed make it to the practice squad. Good players glad to see them stick somewhere.
Hart (shockingly) was picked up off waivers by the 49ers and some coach there who likes him a lot.
I was really surprised that both of them made it back. Pleasantly surprised, I like both of them and hope they can play some ball for us in the future.
 

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I think you are crazy. The Giants defense is a train wreck. They've been a bottom 5 defense for some time and have overpaid a bunch of ok players - which won't help. Offensively they are plus but until they have a running game of any kind (again awful the last number of years) it's unbalanced.
The Redskins didn't beat a team that had a winning record last year and now have a division winner's schedule. People are hilarious thinking they are good.

Every team has warts in this division. It's IMO exactly why they are starting Wentz vs Daniels.
The Eagles have, imo, the best defense in the division (though lacking at LB esp if anyone gets hurt). The cowboys with Romo may have the best offensive. Without? unclear. The Redskins are ok, but as above they will be tested this year and we'll know more then. the Giants have one dimension, passing, and no D and no run game (that we've seen).
The Giants first team defense looked significantly improved in the preseason, for whatever that's worth. They lost six games in the last minute (really 1:14 in one case) last season, so if they are even mediocre this year, that could be make a huge difference. Their offensive line is still horrible, so I can't imagine they'll be able to run the ball.

You're spot on about Washington. I heard on a pod that in his career as a starting QB, Kirk Cousins has never beaten a team with a winning record, so it remains to be seen whether or not he actually elevated his game last season or he just benefitted from playing well against inferior competition. But the team looked very solid under Gruden last year, and is probably the most complete team in the division.

The Cowboys would have been a terror on offense with Romo. They may still be with Prescott, but we'll see if he's for real or just a preseason mirage. That defense is still going to be dreadful.

The Eagles defense should be the best in the division, but it's hard to imagine Sam Bradford leading this team, with its shaky offensive line and paucity of playmakers in the skill positions, to anything more than a first round exit from the playoffs. And you don't sacrifice the deal they had on the table from the Vikings for that.
 

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I agree with the fundamental philosophy, but I think that the instances of QBs getting shelled early in their careers and never really recovering, or getting hurt behind crap lines and struggling to flourish makes me very edgy. It is a sample size of 1, but the McNabb protocol from 1999 seemed pretty darned effective. Now, with that said, the one area that everyone raves about with Wentz but which didn't seem to be a top attribute for McNabb was command of the huddle early in his career, so maybe that plays a part. But having the respect of the 10 guys in the huddle can only go so far.
Well, the thing you have to trust is that the coaching staff has a deeper understanding of the kid's makeup than we do. And remember that Pederson was Daniels in 1999, so if anyone has a special insight into the value of having a young QB sit a few games behind a journeyman versus starting him right off and letting him take his lumps, it would be Pederson.
 

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I think you are crazy. The Giants defense is a train wreck. They've been a bottom 5 defense for some time and have overpaid a bunch of ok players - which won't help. Offensively they are plus but until they have a running game of any kind (again awful the last number of years) it's unbalanced.
The Redskins didn't beat a team that had a winning record last year and now have a division winner's schedule. People are hilarious thinking they are good.

Every team has warts in this division. It's IMO exactly why they are starting Wentz vs Daniels.
The Eagles have, imo, the best defense in the division (though lacking at LB esp if anyone gets hurt). The cowboys with Romo may have the best offensive. Without? unclear. The Redskins are ok, but as above they will be tested this year and we'll know more then. the Giants have one dimension, passing, and no D and no run game (that we've seen).
I'm not sure that I see LB as the big weakness. I would agree that we have a sharp drop off in depth, but our starters are pretty good. I am far more worried about our corner situation. I don't think we have anyone who can cover the WR1s in our division and even the WR2s may be an overmatch. I hope I am wrong.
 

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Well, the thing you have to trust is that the coaching staff has a deeper understanding of the kid's makeup than we do. And remember that Pederson was Daniels in 1999, so if anyone has a special insight into the value of having a young QB sit a few games behind a journeyman versus starting him right off and letting him take his lumps, it would be Pederson.
All absolutely fair. The owner, Pederson and a lot of the personnel folks were around in 1999 and certainly the script is well written. I think I trust Pederson to do the right thing. I want to be wrong more than you could ever know!
 

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I'm not sure that I see LB as the big weakness. I would agree that we have a sharp drop off in depth, but our starters are pretty good. I am far more worried about our corner situation. I don't think we have anyone who can cover the WR1s in our division and even the WR2s may be an overmatch. I hope I am wrong.
I don't know I think Carroll is very solid and Mckelvin seems fine. There's no super star, but there's a number of solid CBs, the reverse of the LB. They have good players no depth, CB there's no super studs but lots of options.
Also the two safeties are studs, and that helps ask the CB to do less.
 

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The Giants first team defense looked significantly improved in the preseason, for whatever that's worth. They lost six games in the last minute (really 1:14 in one case) last season, so if they are even mediocre this year, that could be make a huge difference. Their offensive line is still horrible, so I can't imagine they'll be able to run the ball.

You're spot on about Washington. I heard on a pod that in his career as a starting QB, Kirk Cousins has never beaten a team with a winning record, so it remains to be seen whether or not he actually elevated his game last season or he just benefitted from playing well against inferior competition. But the team looked very solid under Gruden last year, and is probably the most complete team in the division.

The Cowboys would have been a terror on offense with Romo. They may still be with Prescott, but we'll see if he's for real or just a preseason mirage. That defense is still going to be dreadful.

The Eagles defense should be the best in the division, but it's hard to imagine Sam Bradford leading this team, with its shaky offensive line and paucity of playmakers in the skill positions, to anything more than a first round exit from the playoffs. And you don't sacrifice the deal they had on the table from the Vikings for that.
100% agree re Eagles.
Giants, well no running game remains. The D has some new players and maybe it's better, but not hard since it was epically awful last year. They need vernon to step up, I'm dubious or no pass rush and no secondary, and minimal LB, I don't get the enthusiam.

That is true re Cousins. I keep forgetting they added a star CB though. I think they have a big ? offensively at RB and to see if Cousins is actually good. IF he is then they have the best all round team, but hardest schedule.
 

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I don't know I think Carroll is very solid and Mckelvin seems fine. There's no super star, but there's a number of solid CBs, the reverse of the LB. They have good players no depth, CB there's no super studs but lots of options.
Also the two safeties are studs, and that helps ask the CB to do less.
That is reasonable analysis. I hope you are right.
 

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I don't know I think Carroll is very solid and Mckelvin seems fine. There's no super star, but there's a number of solid CBs, the reverse of the LB. They have good players no depth, CB there's no super studs but lots of options.
Also the two safeties are studs, and that helps ask the CB to do less.
Also, keep in mind, that you can survive with average corners if you have a good pass rush. The opposite is not true, which is sadly the situation in which the Cowboys find themselves.

I think the Philly D will be fine. They might give up a big pass play here and there but they're going to be a tough defense on which to sustain drives. If the offense can keep from turning the ball over too much, they should be able to at least tread water at .500.

Obviously, injuries might throw off the calculus. And a rookie FCS QB adds a huge amount of variance. But I still see Philly as a potential division contender if enough things break their way - which it has already started to with Romo looking as frail as many thought he would be.

Fuck it, let's get this train wreck started already.
 

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Amen!
I thought it was interesting on the NFL site (I know just bear with me) the "expert" prediction has all four teams winning the division. Which is pretty crazy. I know they have so many damn people it's hard to find that shocking, but multiple people for every team this was the only division. And only the AFC south came close (Texans, Colts, Jags, Titans is the only division that can come close to the NFc LEast)
Every other division is a favourite and a contender
 

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What were you hearing on Rowe?

Re: the pick, sounds like a 4th that can become a 3rd
That he wasn't in the team's plans. If you read the last few pages here you will see Rowe discussed a fair amount. He is not bad but not great either. LondonSox has a tattoo of him on his calf.
 

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That he wasn't in the team's plans. If you read the last few pages here you will see Rowe discussed a fair amount. He is not bad but not great either. LondonSox has a tattoo of him on his calf.
Ah thanks, I do keep up with this thread but thought you might have been referencing something off the field or along those lines
 

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Ah thanks, I do keep up with this thread but thought you might have been referencing something off the field or along those lines
No, as I noted in the Pats thread on this, he is supposedly a good guy and a hard worker. I think Schwartz didn't feel that he had the talent level, which gets really subjective frankly. I don't see him being the next coming of Deion Sanders, but he could develop into a solid corner in this league.
 

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Or a great safety.
It hurts me that a young corner I like went of all places to the Patriots. Because BB is shit at picking up young corners and making them good. Or b)

Patriots will love him. Can run. Can hit. Can play safety or corner. Flashed great skills when he started for me. Got torched when they left him on an island Vs number ones as a rookie on occasion. But duh.
 

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I am pissed that we burned a second round pick on a guy who converted into a backup Guard and a 3rd or 4th rounder, and I am surprised that Schwartz didn't like the guy. But on the flip he was fast but wasn't fast in coverage, and while he is a big dude, he wasn't what I would call a traditional "physical corner."

I don't think he will be all pro in his career, but I also doubt that he will not have at least 2-3 years as a decent starter. Let's see though.

I'll save you a seat for Kline's induction into Canton. :)
 

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I think you are crazy. The Giants defense is a train wreck. They've been a bottom 5 defense for some time and have overpaid a bunch of ok players - which won't help. Offensively they are plus but until they have a running game of any kind (again awful the last number of years) it's unbalanced.
The Redskins didn't beat a team that had a winning record last year and now have a division winner's schedule. People are hilarious thinking they are good.

Every team has warts in this division. It's IMO exactly why they are starting Wentz vs Daniels.
The Eagles have, imo, the best defense in the division (though lacking at LB esp if anyone gets hurt). The cowboys with Romo may have the best offensive. Without? unclear. The Redskins are ok, but as above they will be tested this year and we'll know more then. the Giants have one dimension, passing, and no D and no run game (that we've seen).
The Giants were 3-8 in one-score games last year, including 1-7 in games decided by 5 points or less. I think they'll be better with Coughlin gone, but even if you disagree, they should be an 8-9 win team just based on their luck evening out. That's better than the Cowboys or Eagles are likely to be.

Washington went 9-7 last year with their best skill player (DeSean Jackson) missing about half the season due to injury. Between a full season of Jackson, the addition of Josh Norman, and the addition-by-subtraction loss of Alfred Morris, I think they'll be as good or better this year, even with the tougher schedule.

The Cowboys would have been right in the mix with NYG and WAS if Romo had stayed healthy all year, but did anyone really expect that?

And this was always going to be a rebuilding year for Philly, even with Bradford at QB.
 

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The Giants were 3-8 in one-score games last year, including 1-7 in games decided by 5 points or less. I think they'll be better with Coughlin gone, but even if you disagree, they should be an 8-9 win team just based on their luck evening out. That's better than the Cowboys or Eagles are likely to be.

Washington went 9-7 last year with their best skill player (DeSean Jackson) missing about half the season due to injury. Between a full season of Jackson, the addition of Josh Norman, and the addition-by-subtraction loss of Alfred Morris, I think they'll be as good or better this year, even with the tougher schedule.

The Cowboys would have been right in the mix with NYG and WAS if Romo had stayed healthy all year, but did anyone really expect that?

And this was always going to be a rebuilding year for Philly, even with Bradford at QB.
My skepticism on the Giants is in the following areas:

1) Eli is a year older, so you can expect some decline.
2) They still don't have anything that resembles a running back. I get not overpaying for a running back, but the Giants need to get someone who can carry the rock.
3) Their O-line is "Philadelphia Eagles" level horrible.
4) I don't think that their defense is going to be that good. I would agree that it will probably get better than last season, but I think it will be below league average and possibly in the bottom quartile.
5) New coach, new system. Sometimes this works, but more often than not there is an extra loss or two in the first half of the season as everyone tries to figure out what the shit is going on. FTR, this may have been the only thing Chip did well.
 

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To be fair same offensive system but otherwise with you yammer. We shall see.

And Mauf I don't know we're disagreeing much. All the teams have 500 +/- a game or two written on them to me.
Cowboys if Romo doesn't return may struggle to that. The Eagles if Wentz isn't ready could be worse. The Giants could easily be a little sub 500 and the Redskins around .5000 sounds right.
 
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Besides their division slate Washington's got PIT, @BAL, @CIN, MIN, GB, @ARI, CAR this year... I will be pretty impressed if they finish .500 or better.
 

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Yokay, so here is everything that I am hearing today:

- Following the Jeff McLane piece this morning, it does sound like multiple folks are hearing that Kendricks will be the odd man out.....alot. He (Kendricks) is apparently not talking to - or even acknowledging - a few different reporters in the locker room.
- Tulloch may play MLB on running plays, with Hicks going outside. There seems to be a few different opinions on this.
- Mills may play both CB and Safety with Rowe gone.
- The Philadelphia Police have told the Eagles through back channels that they will not boycott any games, which is very cool IMO.
- The Eagles are burning the phone lines for OL. Expect someone to be added in the next week.
- Brian Dawkins has apparently been very present at the NovaCare this week and last week.
 

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I find it weird that Kline was removed from the Rowe trade and then the Patriots released him. What's the deal there?
I have no idea. I can only assume they had a secondary deal lined up from him, as they reported immediately as to be likely to trade him on, but I can only guess that interest died off, which wouldn't have been helped anyone by the reports of him being cut if not traded!
The fact they are still looking for oline help after... <shrug>
To be fair they need help at Tackle most.
 

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Pretty impressive stuff from Wentz overall. Several people made the comment on the early drops (and drops generally) that ina Bradford game we'd be giving him excuses due to the drops. Wentz didn't need those. Didn't look like a rookie at times.

The two TDs oh my, were just wonderful. Neither is a throw Bradford even attempts, let alone makes. He stood in there and took a hit to convert the 4th down attempt, frankly he is a bit TOO willing to take the hit to make the play.

I don't know you could have asked anything more from him. Very encouraging, but still expect some mistakes and bad games - and it was against the Browns!

Matthews still drops too many passes, but the guy is a very very good receiver overall, expect a decent year from him. Agholor's TD was good to see, nice route, good catch. Was clear the whole team was happy for him too.
O-line was pretty good, Johnson of course played and that will be the big question mark

Beau Allen at FB! Amazing. Though didn't they keep Gordon in part for that?

Defensively, RGIII was bad. The TD was a gift, a dubious PI call on told of one of the most blatant holding calls you'll ever see. Two big plays were boht about the wR not the throw. In particular the very long play was underthrown so badly the wR had to come back over 5 yards, there were three eagles there but none of them located the ball well as it was so so off target!

I was concerned by the lack of pass rush but it came on in the second. There were some bizarre calls like taking Cox out and putting Destiny in at DT with the Browns pinned at the one.

Hicks played great, Mckelvin hurt his hamstring (same our depth is so bad due to trading away a good cheap corner) but Mills came in and played well.
The safeties are monsters.

Not sure how much we can learn, that Browns team is probably the worst team in the league (again) but Wentz is probably as encouraging as you could ask
 

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As the two teams came out of the tunnel yesterday, I thought about this and laughed. It really was a pretty good mantra for a number of the week 1 games. This may be what the 2016 DVD release will be called.
I watched the early games on Red Zone and a number of them fit that description fairly well. Minnesota-Tennessee immediately comes to mind. But, like a good train wreck, I was completely unable to avert my eyes.

"NFL 2016: You won't believe what happens next..."
 

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Pretty impressive stuff from Wentz overall. Several people made the comment on the early drops (and drops generally) that ina Bradford game we'd be giving him excuses due to the drops. Wentz didn't need those. Didn't look like a rookie at times.

The two TDs oh my, were just wonderful. Neither is a throw Bradford even attempts, let alone makes. He stood in there and took a hit to convert the 4th down attempt, frankly he is a bit TOO willing to take the hit to make the play.

I don't know you could have asked anything more from him. Very encouraging, but still expect some mistakes and bad games - and it was against the Browns!

Matthews still drops too many passes, but the guy is a very very good receiver overall, expect a decent year from him. Agholor's TD was good to see, nice route, good catch. Was clear the whole team was happy for him too.
O-line was pretty good, Johnson of course played and that will be the big question mark

Beau Allen at FB! Amazing. Though didn't they keep Gordon in part for that?

Defensively, RGIII was bad. The TD was a gift, a dubious PI call on told of one of the most blatant holding calls you'll ever see. Two big plays were boht about the wR not the throw. In particular the very long play was underthrown so badly the wR had to come back over 5 yards, there were three eagles there but none of them located the ball well as it was so so off target!

I was concerned by the lack of pass rush but it came on in the second. There were some bizarre calls like taking Cox out and putting Destiny in at DT with the Browns pinned at the one.

Hicks played great, Mckelvin hurt his hamstring (same our depth is so bad due to trading away a good cheap corner) but Mills came in and played well.
The safeties are monsters.

Not sure how much we can learn, that Browns team is probably the worst team in the league (again) but Wentz is probably as encouraging as you could ask
I think you nailed it here. Only a few things to add from being at the game:

- The NFL are smarter than you and me by a fair margin. We have the possibility of athletes kneeling for the anthem on 9/11? We're going to open every game (according to my friend who is involved with the Eagles in a gameday capacity) with Obama giving a speech and the players, mixed in with cops, firefighters and military, holding a massive field-sized flag. Good luck getting on your knee. Whoever thought of that was a genius. Let this be next week's headache for the league.
- Wentz played well. He made a handful of bad throws where he missed wide open guys or threw to the wrong receiver, but generally he moved in the pocket well, he made good adjustments, he made good decisions and he threw a handful of beautiful passes. If nothing else he made you feel like he will be OK in the NFL, which was really nice.
- The O-line looked a bit confused at times. Peters played like a grizzly bear and Brooks made some nice holes for the RBs, but they struggled a bit at times. Wentz was generally pretty clean so maybe I am making a mountain out of a molehill before I have watched the tape.
- Darren Sproles was godawful. I hope this was just an off day.
- Our defense. So......I can honestly tell you that there were probably 10-15 plays on defense where I had no idea who the fuck was supposed to do what. Scwartz's wide 9 combined with the way that he lined up the secondary at times made me scratch my head. That can be a good thing, but on a few of those plays it was clear that at least one, if not two guys weren't real clear on what they were doing either. Watch the all-22 and you will see what I am talking about. Overall we played well, but we also got a bit lucky with the Browns making some big drops and RG3 missing on a few throws. I will take it.
- Mcleod is a player. I have to say, he doled out a few big hits and did pretty well in coverage I thought.
- If you believe that kickers and punters aren't on PEDs then you weren't at Lincoln Financial Field yesterday. Sturgis and Jones were crushing the ball. Just crushing.
- OK, I know this is going to sound weird, but alot of RG3's errors weren't his fault. His team is terrible. His best receiver was the starting QB for an NFL team two years ago and it showed. They were never open....like.....at all. The Eagles secondary is not good enough for the draping that was going on. Their center was snapping the ball all over the place, and while they did a decent job of protecting him, his line struggled to establish the run. Plus, their special teams did them no favors.
- The Linc was relatively sober yesterday. Not somber, but sober. It was the first time in many trips that the crowd seemed to be in good spirits without being shithammered. There were a handful of folks passed out, but no vomit, only a few broken bottles that seemed more like randoms than people acting out and I didn't see anyone get tossed (although I was sitting in the shade, not in the sunlight, so who knows).
- Per my friend, the temperature on the field was around 85-90 ish, and the Browns were in that sun the whole day, so you have to take that into account when tempering exuberance.
- I wasn't focused on the LBs all that much, but it was great to see Hicks have a good game.
- I loved, loved, loved Pederson going for it on 4th and 4 at the 40. I liked the play, I liked Wentz hitting Ertz quickly despite a guy being in his face, I liked the aggressiveness.
- I wasn't focused on the WRs as much as I was mainly focused on Wentz and the O-line, but Agholor was open a decent amount. I was glad that he got the TD and hope that that gets him fired up. Matthews......actually looked like a WR1, which was pretty awesome to be honest.
- I liked the fact that Pederson gave Matthews the touchdown carry as a reward for his hard work. He really did a good job of establishing the run and killing clock on that drive.

All in all, I liked what I saw more than I didn't. Let's not go bananas yet, but there were some signs that these guys could be halfway decent this season and beyond.
 

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I watched the early games on Red Zone and a number of them fit that description fairly well. Minnesota-Tennessee immediately comes to mind. But, like a good train wreck, I was completely unable to avert my eyes.

"NFL 2016: You won't believe what happens next..."
Right???? At what point are you not really watching, but rather rubbernecking?
 

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I watched the early games on Red Zone and a number of them fit that description fairly well. Minnesota-Tennessee immediately comes to mind. But, like a good train wreck, I was completely unable to avert my eyes.

"NFL 2016: You won't believe what happens next..."
NFL 2016: where all the limitations on OTAs, training camp and padded practices guarantees a shit show for September
 

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Wentz for MVP baby! You can't stop the Philadelphia Eagles. 16-0 here we come!
For those on the board not living in Philly, this is pretty much the tenor of Philly sports radio talk today. They are really WIP-ped after that performance by their young gun.

I wonder what the Rams management thinks about their decision in last year's draft now.
 

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Above all else they played the Browns. He was impressive and made throws no QB the Eagles have had in a long time can make, and it's exciting but he's a rookie and it was the Browns.
If I were the Browns I'd be unsure if I made the right move, if I were the Rams I'm be gulping about drafting the wrong QB and if I'm the Eagles I'm so happy. Wentz looks good AND the price has been transformed by moving Bradford for so much
 

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For those on the board not living in Philly, this is pretty much the tenor of Philly sports radio talk today. They are really WIP-ped after that performance by their young gun.

I wonder what the Rams management thinks about their decision in last year's draft now.
Yeah, WIP definitely had the tone and tenor of a bunch of yahoos going bananas. The Eagles will eventually lose a game and everyone will be ready to trade Wentz for a 4th rounder.
 

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Above all else they played the Browns. He was impressive and made throws no QB the Eagles have had in a long time can make, and it's exciting but he's a rookie and it was the Browns.
If I were the Browns I'd be unsure if I made the right move, if I were the Rams I'm be gulping about drafting the wrong QB and if I'm the Eagles I'm so happy. Wentz looks good AND the price has been transformed by moving Bradford for so much
I think the Browns will be able to pick the top QB in the draft this season based on what I saw on Sunday, they won't be in horrible shape other than the whole "they really have a terrible team" thing.

As for Goff, there was a great interview on WIP in the morning where the guy (and I wish I had caught who it was. It may have been Dick Vermeil) said that the reason why some QBs are able to shine early has more to do with their IQ than anything else - not the scheme they played in college, not their arm, etc. Wentz is obviously a smart guy, what with the whole 4.0 in college, never had a B in high school thing. Goff will follow a more standard progression but he will be a good QB.
 

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Yeah that may well be, seeing Wentz audible out, adjust the protection and go to a hot route in his first game was pretty amazing to see.

Ertz and Mckelvin out and wouldn't it be nice if we had some depth at secondary, like a previous 2nd round pick right now...
Ertz's injury sounds unpleasant,