They could have had him last year. If they'd made a promise to him, he'd have come out. Went Young instead.HomeRunBaker said:
2015 NBA Draft Thread-Choke For Oak?
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2 Ks.swingin val said:
I think so, he's got good height, but his arms aren't that long. At the combine he only did a few drills, showed very good agility, but can't jump for shit.
If he makes 3s he's not a bust, but I'd worry. Chad Ford did his classic "I need access to this agent as a source" hype piece on Dekker and talked about his elite athleticism, and noted he hit 16 of 25 3s at the end of his workout as if it was a good thing to make less than 2/3 of your practice unguarded, stand-still 3s. As a comparison, Zach Lowe tweeted about Kris Humphries taking 3s in wizards practice. He went 70-85.
The teams to target would be Sacramento, Detroit, and Charlotte. The Kings want to play in free agency and Boston can eat two of their mid level deals to open cap space for them (Thompson & Landry) while supplying them a suitable depth player (Olynyk or Sullinger) to replace that production. The Kings might trade down ten spots for that. Charlotte wants rid of Lance Stephenson in the worst way. So something like Bradley/Olynyk for Stephenson might get them to look at a pick swap (that would give the Hornets some desperately needed shooting). Reggie Jackson played really well for the Pistons, while Brandon Jennings isn't likely to play for the 2016 Pistons at all. So a pick swap where Boston throws in a shooter and eats Jenning's deal probably works for both sides.JohnnyTheBone said:
This is not true at all.Grin&MartyBarret said:
1. The draft order was not even determined at the time WCS had to decide to remain in the draft. You can't promise someone something that you don't even have yet.
2. According to Cal (prior to the draft), WCS surprised him with three reasons why he was returning and none of them had anything to do with where he'd be drafted. He loved playing for Cal at UK, he didn't feel ready to make an impact in the league, and he wanted to win an NCAA Championship.
HomeRunBaker said:
Take it up with Bill Simmons. He said on a podcast recently that one of his sources with the Celtics told him that had the C's made a promise to WCS that they'd have taken him in the first round, he'd have come out. Maybe the conversation took place before the draft order was set, I don't know.
HRB may well be right that it was not the reason WCS stayed in school, but I don't buy that the reason that story must be wrong is because the "draft order wasn't set." He decided on April 14, 2014, when the non-playoff team order was essentially set. Brooklyn was in the playoffs, and it was clear the Celtics would have their pick in the 15-18 range at that point in addition to the lottery pick that was not yet determined. I took Simmons' point to be that if the Celts had promised WCS' camp that they'd take him if he was there with the later first rounder (i.e. guaranteeing Trill that he'd be in the top 20), then he would have come out. You can certainly promise you'll take him with the Brooklyn pick if he's there, even if you don't know the exact number of the pick.Grin&MartyBarret said:
I was impressed with JP Tokoyto's new jumpshot at the combine. I think he'd be a great pick up at 33, a decent one at 28. He'll need a d-league year to really get that shot in order, but his length, athleticism, and general basketball IQ will make him a contributor.
Calipari recommended he enter the draft because his contacts told him that WCS was going Top-15. WCS returned to Cal's office citing reasons he wanted to remain at UK none of which had anything to do with his draft slot. The promise conversations don't even begin taking place until after the order is in place and the workouts leading up to the draft occur. WCS was out of the draft well before any of this even took place with execs in their vacation month down time.TheDeuce222 said:
Andy Harrison showed me a lot more than I thought was there from his two years at KU, so I'm back on the fence about him. Like Lance Stephenson he has a pile of talent, if you can get it out of him. So now I've added him to my second round flyer list as I think Stevens might be able to get through to him, and their shooting coach obviously did wonders with Marcus Smart, so if he can help Andy he's a pretty good long term G prospect.
67YAZ said:
This has to be the first time ever that high basketball IQ and Tokoto have ever been used in the same sentence. Just check out UNC fans reaction to the news that he was leaving
http://sonsofsamhorn.net/topic/82409-2014-2015-nc-hoops-duke-rules-the-road/page-8
(updating my May 3rd post)
Boston picks 16, 28 and 33.
Who may be there at #16?
It may be instructive to figure out who likely won't fall to #16. It seems safe to say that Towns, Okafor, Mudiay, Russell, Porzingis, Winslow, Hezonja, Cauley-Stein, Turner and S.Johnson won't make it to #16. All ten players are ranked in the top eleven players at ESPN.com, NBADraft.net and DraftXpress.
Who's in the next tier? I would say these nine players (in no particular order):
PG - Payne
PG/SG - Grant
SG - Booker, Oubre
SF/PF - Looney
SF - Dekker
PF - Lyles, Portis
C - Kaminsky
Therefore, at least four of these players should be available at #16. Looney, Grant and Portis are the three most likely, plus one of the other six.
Who may be there at #28 and #33?
I listed 19 players above. Who's in the next tier? I would say these 16 players (in no particular order):
PG - Jones, Rozier
PG/SG - Wright, Hanlan
SG - Hunter, Vaughn, Powell
SG/SF - Anderson
SF - Hollis-Jefferson
PF - Wood, Harrell, Martin, McCullough
PF/C - Christmas
C - Upshaw, D.Johnson
At least eight of these players will be available at #28 and at least three will be available at #33.
Boston picks 16, 28 and 33.
Who may be there at #16?
It may be instructive to figure out who likely won't fall to #16. It seems safe to say that Towns, Okafor, Mudiay, Russell, Porzingis, Winslow, Hezonja, Cauley-Stein, Turner and S.Johnson won't make it to #16. All ten players are ranked in the top eleven players at ESPN.com, NBADraft.net and DraftXpress.
Who's in the next tier? I would say these nine players (in no particular order):
PG - Payne
PG/SG - Grant
SG - Booker, Oubre
SF/PF - Looney
SF - Dekker
PF - Lyles, Portis
C - Kaminsky
Therefore, at least four of these players should be available at #16. Looney, Grant and Portis are the three most likely, plus one of the other six.
Who may be there at #28 and #33?
I listed 19 players above. Who's in the next tier? I would say these 16 players (in no particular order):
PG - Jones, Rozier
PG/SG - Wright, Hanlan
SG - Hunter, Vaughn, Powell
SG/SF - Anderson
SF - Hollis-Jefferson
PF - Wood, Harrell, Martin, McCullough
PF/C - Christmas
C - Upshaw, D.Johnson
At least eight of these players will be available at #28 and at least three will be available at #33.
Mock draft (reflects lottery results, with some notes):
1 MIN - Okafor
2 LAL - Towns
3 PHI - Russell
4 NYK - Mudiay
5 ORL - Porzingis (looking for a stretch 4)
6 SAC - Cauley-Stein (SAC/IND two highest on WCS)
7 DEN - Winslow (or Hezonja, only team betw. 4-10 not looking to trade pick)
8 DET - S.Johnson (high on Hezonja/WCS)
9 CHA - Booker
10 MIA - Hezonja (looking for SG/SF)
11 IND - Turner
12 UTA - Dekker
13 PHX - Oubre
14 OKC - Payne
15 ATL - Lyles
16 BOS - Portis (high-motor 6-10 PF with a mid-range/inside game)
17 MIL - Kaminsky
18 HOU - Hunter
19 WAS - Grant
20 TOR - Anderson
21 DAL - Jones
22 CHI - Looney
23 POR - Harrell
24 CLE - Rozier
25 MEM - Hollis-Jefferson
26 SAS - Wright
27 LAL - Wood
28 BOS - Vaughn (6-6 catch-and-shoot SG, developmental player)
29 BRK - Martin
30 GSW - Hanlan
31 MIN - McCullough
32 HOU - Lucas
33 BOS - Upshaw/D.Johnson/Christmas (best center on the board, better to gamble on Upshaw with a 2nd round pick - BRK/GSW/MIN/HOU not likely to take a center at 29-32)
1 MIN - Okafor
2 LAL - Towns
3 PHI - Russell
4 NYK - Mudiay
5 ORL - Porzingis (looking for a stretch 4)
6 SAC - Cauley-Stein (SAC/IND two highest on WCS)
7 DEN - Winslow (or Hezonja, only team betw. 4-10 not looking to trade pick)
8 DET - S.Johnson (high on Hezonja/WCS)
9 CHA - Booker
10 MIA - Hezonja (looking for SG/SF)
11 IND - Turner
12 UTA - Dekker
13 PHX - Oubre
14 OKC - Payne
15 ATL - Lyles
16 BOS - Portis (high-motor 6-10 PF with a mid-range/inside game)
17 MIL - Kaminsky
18 HOU - Hunter
19 WAS - Grant
20 TOR - Anderson
21 DAL - Jones
22 CHI - Looney
23 POR - Harrell
24 CLE - Rozier
25 MEM - Hollis-Jefferson
26 SAS - Wright
27 LAL - Wood
28 BOS - Vaughn (6-6 catch-and-shoot SG, developmental player)
29 BRK - Martin
30 GSW - Hanlan
31 MIN - McCullough
32 HOU - Lucas
33 BOS - Upshaw/D.Johnson/Christmas (best center on the board, better to gamble on Upshaw with a 2nd round pick - BRK/GSW/MIN/HOU not likely to take a center at 29-32)
In a league where backup PGs like Pressey and Ish Smith stick around the league it will be hard for Andrew to not have a fairly long career in this league at some capacity. Aaron's upside though looks like Wayne Ellington with the downside of a guy in a local rec league.nighthob said:
Well, I think the hope is that Andy, like Lance Stephenson before him, makes a better pro than college player, only without the craziness factor. This draft is so horrific outside the top 10-12 that he's likely worth a second round flier.HomeRunBaker said:
None.SemperFidelisSox said:
I give the True odds of the #1 being awarded as 49% Knicks, 49% Lakers, and 2% field.
Celts fans should be rooting for the t wolves to get the #1 pick. If they end up with a record next year NOT in the bottom 12, the Celts get their #1 next year. Otherwise the c's get their second round pick. So you want them improving next season.
Yeah - they have a long, long ways to go.The Social Chair said:
Shabazz has shown flashes that he can be a good scorer, but terrible defender. He looks like a 7th man on a good team. Wiggins showed more as a rookie than expected, but it would still be a surprise for him to be above average next year. LaVine remains a dog to ever be good. This year's draft pick will likely be terrible, just because that's life in the NBA as a rookie. The rest of the team is the same talent that won 16 games this year...
I hope they take Okafor, watching him, Randle and Kobe on the same defense is gonna be HILARIOUS.bosockboy said:
It's unlikely they finish out of the bottom 12, but don't forget there are 14 lottery teams. So they could finish as low as 10th in the West and still not be not be bottom 12. So who knows? It'll help if Alridge and Gasol bolt Portland and Memphis.The Social Chair said:
Probably if they gave up a bunch of picks, but I'm not sure 4 is where they want to be, the dropoff is probably 3, then 9 or 10, so you're paying a premium to move up to the first pick in a good sized tier.Devizier said:
Edit- actually it's the Knicks and Jackson so probably not, I'd guess they want good veteran player/s for the pick which we don't have.
I am not sure the Knicks want lesser draft picks in return for their draft pick. I think the point of Jackson wanting to trade the #4 pick would be to acquire veteran(s) who can help the team now. Melo is 30 and his remaining good playing days maybe numbered on one hand. It seems to make more sense for Jackson to want players who can play well with Melo immediately.Cellar-Door said:
Waiting 2-3 years for the #4 pick to develop gives the Knicks a really small window to contend. Having a bucketful of mid-range picks from the celtics would be even less appealing. So, I don't see the Celtics lining up as a prime trading partner with the Knicks, unless they offer some package of Bradley, Sully, and maybe Thomas. But I don't think that would get it done.
Steve Dillard said:
Just can't be in the 12 worst teams. So we need them to be 18th best or better.
Lose Remerswaal said:
Right. 10th in the west, assuming they beat out all the non-playoff teams in the east. Not likely, but more possible today than yesterday. Maybe they throw a lot of money at a not-quite-elite FA like Greg Monroe or Monta Ellis.