2015 Gold Cup
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Someone want to tell the ref that he, like, has the power to enforce the rules and doesn't have to stand there like an invalid?
If they gave you a goal for dribbling into three men and getting dispossessed, Bradley would win the ballon d'or.
Dempsey needs to blast a few. Not sure if the 2nd Panama PK was legal, looked like he stopped and went backward
Fully deserved win for Panama. Quintero is an annoying diver but they played hard and were better
Please let this be the last trial balloon lineup for a long time.
I know this game didn't matter but any international non-friendly minute given to the likes of Corona and Wondo is wasted, period.
I know this game didn't matter but any international non-friendly minute given to the likes of Corona and Wondo is wasted, period.
Why?Jed Zeppelin said:
I mean it sucks to have to play the play-in game, but I'd rather he try things than run out a bunch of guys who are never going to make it to Russia.
Now is the time to start figuring out who can play together, and who replaces the guys who are on the way out.
See edit above, trial balloon was poor word choice (unless JK thinks the names I listed have a future in which case...yikes).Cellar-Door said:
Ah, yeah.Jed Zeppelin said:
Those guys were just place holders because of injuries and players he didn't want to call up because they need the opportunity to win minutes for their clubs.
I thought you meant the mixing and matching of the young defenders and wings. Those guys need to play, and play together for him to get a feel. I think if he comes out of this with anything, it is that Yedlin and Zardes can each be impact players on the wing, but not at the same time. Also Alvarado isn't ready. Also as annoying as he can be, getting Chandler more time is smart, we badly need another FB opposite Fabian and Chandler has the most potential of the current options.
https://twitter.com/thegoalkeeper/status/625073489922363392
That's six home games vs. Honduras, Haiti, Panama (x2), Cuba, and Jamaica. Plenty to worry about going forward.
That's six home games vs. Honduras, Haiti, Panama (x2), Cuba, and Jamaica. Plenty to worry about going forward.
No clue where he got those stats, but they are decidedly wrong.Titans Bastard said:
They were out-shot 77-70.
They had the same 32 shots on goal as opponents.
Today's game was the big difference, going into it they were outshooting opponents 62-53, and SOG were 30-19.
http://www.ussoccer.com/mens-national-team/tournaments/2015-concacaf-gold-cup#tab-2
Cellar-Door said:
Hmm. I looked into it myself and got a third set of results.
G1 v HON: 6-16
G2 v HAI: 6-21
G3 v PAN: 8-13
G4 v CUB: 17-8
G5 v JAM: 20-10
G6 v PAN: 5-25
6+6+8+17+20+5 = 62 shots (US)
16+21+13+8+10+25 = 93 shots (opponents)
Given the quality of opposition and the fact that all were home games, that's straight up ugly.
Yeah it's not great no matter which numbers, though some of it is just teams taking long shitty shots.Titans Bastard said:
Honduras for example outshot them by a lot, but they were all terrible no hope shots, most nowhere near the net, while the US took few shots, but almost all good shots and all but 1 on net.
Part of it was the US not getting off shots in the first two games while letting opponents take bad shots from 20+ feet. The Jamaica game was actually encouraging, they took far more, and much better shots.
Today's game was an embarassment.
What concerns me most about the bad games isn't the shots they gave up (except today), but how few shots they got. Part of it was Jozy being fucking terrible in the first two games with his constantly getting service in the box and not even getting a shot away, but part of it was just that they just kept passing around when teams bunkered and nobody set up a teammate for scoring chances. They desperately need more attacking quality (and also a DM who can actually hold the position).
Cellar-Door said:
I agree we need a new full back opposite Johnson, but I think the best option is a player you mentioned earlier: Yedlin. I think he has more potential than Chandler and would still like to see him as the long-term right back. Plus then you could play Darlington Nagbe (when he's eligible) on the wing.
My daughter was all sorts of excited about this win. Much mire than me. No Penedo, 2 more suspended players, etc. and yet Panama deservedly won. With substitute goalkeeper "Manotas" (big hands) Mejia stopping two penalty kicks to boot.
We got a tough draw for the qualifyers but I have faith now. Hopefully Bolillo will push the right buttons.
I know I'm the only one here rooting for Panama today. Again, sorry Gringos.
And for all the Mecican and Mexico fans here, it's not your fault, but no way I can root for Mexico tomorrow.
We got a tough draw for the qualifyers but I have faith now. Hopefully Bolillo will push the right buttons.
I know I'm the only one here rooting for Panama today. Again, sorry Gringos.
And for all the Mecican and Mexico fans here, it's not your fault, but no way I can root for Mexico tomorrow.
Cellar-Door said:
Yep, though it's not all hopeful longshots:
https://twitter.com/PCarrESPN/status/625316802097246209
Jamaica was definitely the US' best game considering quality of opposition.
It would be great if the USMNT's problems could be solved by replacing pieces that are old and/or bad and/or out of form (Jozy, Beckerman), but part of me feels that the problems go deeper. I can't shake the feeling that the team looks a little too directionless tactically.
I don't get all the negativity surrounding the US right now.
It is the beginning of the cycle not the end of it. We played two young CB's the whole tourney, had a GK who may not be the #1 in 4 years. And had to replace Jermaine Jones the player who played the best at the WC while fielding an old DM who will most definitely be phased out soon. Players looking to get into the fold at new clubs were not called up and we carried the play against Jamaica the whole game.
Other than the MLS people who have it out for JK why cant we just except this was a bump in the road in a tournament that a winning would have been great but it doesn't matter much that we lost?
It is the beginning of the cycle not the end of it. We played two young CB's the whole tourney, had a GK who may not be the #1 in 4 years. And had to replace Jermaine Jones the player who played the best at the WC while fielding an old DM who will most definitely be phased out soon. Players looking to get into the fold at new clubs were not called up and we carried the play against Jamaica the whole game.
Other than the MLS people who have it out for JK why cant we just except this was a bump in the road in a tournament that a winning would have been great but it doesn't matter much that we lost?
Can't this logic be applied to virtually any tournament the U.S. gets involved in? They looked bad. JK isn't going to be fired for it, but like the players he should face performance based pressure.Silverdude2167 said:
IMHO, the cycle is different depending on the country and the goals for the team. For instance, for South American countries, the cycle doesn't end until the Copa America the year after the World Cup
With the way the Concacaf Confed Cup qualification has changed, the cycle ends after the post-WC Gold cup because it would have qualified us for the Confed Cup w/o a playoff. I think many US fans put a lot of importance in qualifying for the Confed Cup. It's the second biggest tournament for us (For Europe and South American teams, the continental tourney is much bigger.) It's a chance outside of a WC for the US to play competitive matches against high level teams that aren't Mexico. This is mitigated somewhat in that there should be the Copa America Centenario next year, however some countries might not go full bore because of fatigue and/or having players in the Olympics (for which we also didn't qualify). And it's tied to some corruption allegations, so there's an outside chance it doesn't happen.
While one could say losing the Gold Cup got Bob Bradley fired, one would also be right in saying not qualifying for the Confed Cup got Bob Bradley fired. So qualifying for the Confed Cup without a playoff would have been ideal, much moreso than finding out Alvarado can't cut it yet. We play plenty of friendlies where we can find out which players can make the grade, so for many it seems like JK didn't take this Gold Cup as seriously has he could have and thought he could get away with bringing players who maybe aren't quite up to snuff, which was a complaint many had of Bob Bradley (Rico Clark says hi).
Had we won, the next cycle would have started with the Peru and Brazil friendlies in September, but now we need those to prep for the playoff.
With the way the Concacaf Confed Cup qualification has changed, the cycle ends after the post-WC Gold cup because it would have qualified us for the Confed Cup w/o a playoff. I think many US fans put a lot of importance in qualifying for the Confed Cup. It's the second biggest tournament for us (For Europe and South American teams, the continental tourney is much bigger.) It's a chance outside of a WC for the US to play competitive matches against high level teams that aren't Mexico. This is mitigated somewhat in that there should be the Copa America Centenario next year, however some countries might not go full bore because of fatigue and/or having players in the Olympics (for which we also didn't qualify). And it's tied to some corruption allegations, so there's an outside chance it doesn't happen.
While one could say losing the Gold Cup got Bob Bradley fired, one would also be right in saying not qualifying for the Confed Cup got Bob Bradley fired. So qualifying for the Confed Cup without a playoff would have been ideal, much moreso than finding out Alvarado can't cut it yet. We play plenty of friendlies where we can find out which players can make the grade, so for many it seems like JK didn't take this Gold Cup as seriously has he could have and thought he could get away with bringing players who maybe aren't quite up to snuff, which was a complaint many had of Bob Bradley (Rico Clark says hi).
Had we won, the next cycle would have started with the Peru and Brazil friendlies in September, but now we need those to prep for the playoff.
They looked bad in the group stage yes, but it was clear JK was not putting his best 11 on the pitch in any of the group stage games. Once he put what he thought his best 11 were on the pitch they generated a fair amount of chances and controlled both games.Vinho Tinto said:
They went out because they did not finish their chances. They did not go out because they could not generate chances, so unless we attribute the inability to finish to JK(Should we?) he put players his players in a position to win and that is what I care about when evaluating a coach.
One of the local TV stations here (Panama) walked out previous to the start of the game in protest. They are showing the game in a corner of the screen with no commentary. And the one TV station that is showing it refused to call the Mexico goal.
BTW that was a good play and a nice goal.
BTW that was a good play and a nice goal.
This pisses me off. If anyone on the USMNT could put the ball in the fucking net, we'd have mauled Jamaica, they just aren't very good.
Thompson tried like hell to give them the game. That was one of the worst games I've ever seen by a goal keeper. It was like his gloves were covered in a ball repellent. He couldn't catch and hold onto anything that day. The US just couldn't capitalize on that. They only managed to take advantage once.Cellar-Door said: