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The Celtics are 54-32 in the last calendar year, and 51-31 over their last 82 games.
They have one of the tougher schedules in the Eastern Conference remaining after the Friday, so I think they'll still finish just shy of 50 wins, but that does seem to be about their level right now.
 

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That Cleveland loss kicked off a pretty brutal stretch by the way. Their next 12 games are: (playoff teams in red & italics).

65 Wed, Mar 9, 2016 7:00p EST Memphis Grizzlies
66 Fri, Mar 11, 2016 7:30p EST Houston Rockets
67 Tue, Mar 15, 2016 7:00p EST @ Indiana Pacers
68 Wed, Mar 16, 2016 7:00p EST Oklahoma City Thunder
69 Fri, Mar 18, 2016 7:30p EST @ Toronto Raptors

70 Sun, Mar 20, 2016 6:00p EST @ Philadelphia 76ers
71 Mon, Mar 21, 2016 7:30p EST Orlando Magic
72 Wed, Mar 23, 2016 7:30p EST Toronto Raptors
73 Sat, Mar 26, 2016 10:00p EST @ Phoenix Suns
74 Mon, Mar 28, 2016 10:30p EST @ Los Angeles Clippers
75 Thu, Mar 31, 2016 10:00p EST @ Portland Trail Blazers
76 Fri, Apr 1, 2016 10:30p EST @ Golden State Warriors


I would sign up for 6-6 over that stretch.
 

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Yesterday's game was rough.

If Crowder is out for any length of time, that is really going to hurt.

Having Zeller in instead of Olynyk is killing them. With Olynyk not ready, I wonder if it is worth starting to give Mickey a little more of a look.

On the plus side, Rozier gave them a nice 10 minute run last night, mostly in the weird 4 guard lineup (IT4, Bradley, Rozier, Smart). 3 points, 3 assists, 7 rebounds.
 

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Their outside shooting has been erratic of late as well. If Bradley, IT are inconsistent or just not making them with confidence and Olynyk isn't on the floor it changes things in defending the Celtics (spacing down low especially). Crowder being off the floor makes it worse. And I like Sullinger with the mid-range consistency - but I don't view him as the person I want to trust with taking the 3 very often - and it seems during Olynyk's absence he is putting up more of them (eye test - I didn't check the numbers). Turner/Zeller chemistry seems to have faded a bit, I'm not seeing him get free as often for the little bunnies in the paint. I get the sense he is a 'confidence' guy - he needs to be involved early for an easy bucket or two and then will be more aggressive during the game. I think he is too passive in the games lately. Maybe he is trying to avoid foul trouble knowing the Celtics are thin with Olynyk being out. Strange the ripple effect Olynyk is having during his absence. Maybe I am over estimating his impact in these areas - and while I don't believe they can't win without him (or any statement like that) - it is clear the road has been bumpier without him.

I was pleasantly surprised by Rozier's activity last night - he brought the energy one expects from a young guy and the defense/hands were better than I expected. I agree with having wanted to see Mickey get more run as well (in Olynyk's absence)..

This is where James Young is missing his chance, at this point in his development I would have thought him able to come in and provide some consistent offense given his reputation as a shooter. I haven't seen it yet.
 

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Young hasn't even shot well in Maine. At this point he looks like the LHH with a pretty swing who can't actually make contact.

Rozier is such a great quick twitch athlete I have some hope that he can contribute once the game slows down for him. Most of his run so far has come in garbage time where he's been desperate to impress and it shows
 

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Their outside shooting has been erratic of late as well. If Bradley, IT are inconsistent or just not making them with confidence and Olynyk isn't on the floor it changes things in defending the Celtics (spacing down low especially). Crowder being off the floor makes it worse. And I like Sullinger with the mid-range consistency - but I don't view him as the person I want to trust with taking the 3 very often - and it seems during Olynyk's absence he is putting up more of them (eye test - I didn't check the numbers). Turner/Zeller chemistry seems to have faded a bit, I'm not seeing him get free as often for the little bunnies in the paint. I get the sense he is a 'confidence' guy - he needs to be involved early for an easy bucket or two and then will be more aggressive during the game. I think he is too passive in the games lately. Maybe he is trying to avoid foul trouble knowing the Celtics are thin with Olynyk being out. Strange the ripple effect Olynyk is having during his absence. Maybe I am over estimating his impact in these areas - and while I don't believe they can't win without him (or any statement like that) - it is clear the road has been bumpier without him.
Are you referring to Olynyk's Impact offensively or overall? We are 7-4 since he's been out while scoring 112+ in 5 of those games.
 

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Are you referring to Olynyk's Impact offensively or overall? We are 7-4 since he's been out while scoring 112+ in 5 of those games.
To be honest I was referring to offensively. I would say the 'offensive engine' needs a slight tuneup since he's been out. But again, I do wonder if I am giving him more credit than he has actually deserved.
 

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Crowder out at least two weeks. <snip>
If this becomes the moment that one of the noobs has a coming out party it could be a blessing in disguise. Maybe James Young finally takes a step up?
I'd prefer they play Turner at the 3 more and give Jordan Mickey some run at the 4 while Olynyk works his way back.
 

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Rozier got the call before both of them the other night and played well. He's the guy who I expect to get a shot to keep those minutes after his performance last game.
Probably, but I would imagine there will be times when they don't want 4 guards, the tallest of whom is Marcus Smart, on the floor.
 

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Probably, but I would imagine there will be times when they don't want 4 guards, the tallest of whom is Marcus Smart, on the floor.
I agree but in that case it makes more sense to go traditional with Mickey rather than a bunch of 2-guards. I'd also argue that Rozier plays "bigger" than both Young and Hunter even if he isn't as tall. I think Mickey gets regular rotation minutes until Olynyk returns.
 

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Probably, but I would imagine there will be times when they don't want 4 guards, the tallest of whom is Marcus Smart, on the floor.
Smart actually plays pretty well as a 4-guard, otherwise known as a mutant power forward.
 

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IT, Bradley, Smart, Sully and Amir is fine BUT Marcus needs to stop hoisting 3s. That snow day 3pt drill session has worn off and he has reverted to his old, below average shooter self

Would rather see Brad work with a 2nd unit of Mickey, Olynyk, Jerebko, Turner and one of Smart/IT/Bradley...Zeller gets minutes if the opponents true center needs to be run into the ground for 10-15 minutes...and very occasionally Rozier.

I'd like to see what we have with Mickey, lets get him some minutes.

Life without Jae is going to be rough, we'll probably end up a 7 or 8 seed...or out of the playoffs.
 

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IT, Bradley, Smart, Sully and Amir is fine BUT Marcus needs to stop hoisting 3s. That snow day 3pt drill session has worn off and he has reverted to his old, below average shooter self

Would rather see Brad work with a 2nd unit of Mickey, Olynyk, Jerebko, Turner and one of Smart/IT/Bradley...Zeller gets minutes if the opponents true center needs to be run into the ground for 10-15 minutes...and very occasionally Rozier.

I'd like to see what we have with Mickey, lets get him some minutes.

Life without Jae is going to be rough, we'll probably end up a 7 or 8 seed...or out of the playoffs.
Mickey is completely incompetent in the offensive system right now, and mostly lost on defense. He shouldn't be getting any minutes outside of garbage time.
 

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Mickey is completely incompetent in the offensive system right now, and mostly lost on defense. He shouldn't be getting any minutes outside of garbage time.
I can see Mickey finding his niche as a stretch-4 offensively and a undersized rim protector for the second unit defensively down the road.

I haven't seen much of his garbage time lately however in the pre-season when playing with rotation guys he was certainly clueless in understanding the defensive schemes.
 

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Celtics are going through a difficult stretch which I think shows how far the team still has to go to be legitimately good. Not having Crowder and Olynyk (back now but probably not 100%) in the lineup is exposing the C's depth.
Things were getting a bit too rosy in here during the extended home winning streak. Hope they can put together a strong performance down the stretch and find a way to get some positive momentum going into the playoffs.
 

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But wouldn't most teams struggle when they lose one of their two most important players? I feel like all this exposes is that Crowder is really important to the team on both sides of the ball.
 

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But wouldn't most teams struggle when they lose one of their two most important players? I feel like all this exposes is that Crowder is really important to the team on both sides of the ball.
Count me as one who saw us playing awful basketball, with little energy, against some bad matchups (even with Crowder), and getting destroyed by opposing bigs. I'm not sure how much of these past few losses are due to being without Crowder as much as being exposed again at the 4/5.

The Warriors win games without Curry, the Clippers win games without Griffin......we can't even be competitive without Jae Crowder? This doesn't pass the smell test to me.
 

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The Warriors win games without Curry, the Clippers win games without Griffin......we can't even be competitive without Jae Crowder? This doesn't pass the smell test to me.
The Warriors are a dramatically better team than the Celtics, so that's fine that they do better without Curry. Jae Crowder is probably more important to the Celtics than Griffin is to the Clippers. I don't want to say Crowder is better than Griffin (he might be though), but the Clippers haven't figured out a way to use him all that effectively at least.
 

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we knew all along that this Cs team had great depth at every position except SF. the only comparable player the Cs have (in physical measurables) to Crowder is James Young & the drop off from Crowder to Young is massive. so much so, that young is not picking up much of crowder's minutes and other guys are filling in in roles / positions that are not suited to their physical skills & the team is struglling. i'm really not sure we're learning anything new here.
 

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5 games left and currently tied for 3rd place with Atlanta. The remaining schedule: vs. NO, vs. Milwaukee, at Atlanta, vs. Charlotte, and vs. Miami. Obviously, the key game is the road game in Atlanta. They have to win that in order to have a decent shot at 3rd because with a loss they lose the season series. By comparison's sake, here is Atlanta's remaining schedule: vs. PHX, vs. Toronto, vs. Boston, at Cleveland, at Washington.
 

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Nice disposal of a not terrible Milwaukee team, though the first quarter was disturbing.
A lot of that due to solid bench play.

And is this perhaps the first (or 2nd) in several months that the entire team has been on the floor together.
Reminds me that this group is more than the sum of its parts, so getting all the parts working makes for non-linear improvement!
 

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Disclaimer: I have a tendency to slip up on easy math.

But I'm pretty sure that a C's win tonight vs. the Hawks would mean they only need to take one of the last two vs. Hornets and Heat to clinch the three seed. A win against the Hawks gives the C's a one game lead (at least) over everybody, plus tiebreakers all around. I think.
 

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Disclaimer: I have a tendency to slip up on easy math.

But I'm pretty sure that a C's win tonight vs. the Hawks would mean they only need to take one of the last two vs. Hornets and Heat to clinch the three seed. A win against the Hawks gives the C's a one game lead (at least) over everybody, plus tiebreakers all around. I think.
I think a 3-way tie at the top knocks Boston back to 5th because division winners get to be in the top 4. Could be wrong.
 

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The NBA changed the rule last year - it's now based on record only.
 

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I think a 3-way tie at the top knocks Boston back to 5th because division winners get to be in the top 4. Could be wrong.
you are.
In a 3 way tie the division winner gets the 3 seed then regular tiebreaker for the 4. A 3 way tiebreaker is the only place winning your division counts, otherwise a division winner gets no advantage.