Doubtful on this; how many teams are going to be in the market for a backup point guard during the season, will have the matching salary, and are willing to pay the extra 3-7 million in salary to make it work? Keep in mind that the Rockets are asking a team to essentially relieve them of $15 million in commitments, and Dell Demps is no longer available for a trade.
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Doubtful on this; how many teams are going to be in the market for a backup point guard during the season, will have the matching salary, and are willing to pay the extra 3-7 million in salary to make it work? Keep in mind that the Rockets are asking a team to essentially relieve them of $15 million in commitments, and Dell Demps is no longer available for a trade.
Yeah true, I was thinking as part of a package, but it is probably true that the only team that actually wants him (NYK supposedly) have nothing to offer.Devizier said:
Cellar-Door said:
Wouldn't you need to get Parsons signed before you could realistically commit to that?
If you trade for him, you can decline his option, making him a restricted free agent and match.PedroKsBambino said:
nope, there were stories that they plan to decline it, but they haven't yet. It auto declines if you don't exercise it by July 1 as far as I know, which is what most teams do.Devizier said:
@RicBucher: Source: Toronto looking to S&T Kyle Lowry to Miami for cash and future picks. Part II: Bosh opts out, returns to Toronto.
Nope he didn't. Would lead to Lowry/LeBron/Wade/Melo. Bosh goes to somewhere he's comfortable and the first option.mpx42 said:
Bosh would make more by opting out and signing a max deal with higher annual for more years. It would also take him out of LeBron's shadow as only a defensive anchor to go back to being one of the leagues best two-way frontcourt players.Ed Hillel said:
I'm wondering how we think they'll find the cap space now that one of the top destinations for Lin (Cs) has drafted a PG and a wing. In the absence of a Rondo move (and I'm not entirely convinced DA feels motivated to move him vs Smart), Lin has fewer destinations.BigSoxFan said:
Well yes, but wouldn't there be another team over the cap that could throw a bit more their way then a couple lousy draft picks?Jed Zeppelin said:
Cellar-Door said:
Right, I understand that but as a RFA you have no idea what his contract will look like since you don't know what anyone will offer him. As a practical matter, you'd be a little nuts to trade for him in that situation since his value is very different as a max guy vs as a $10 mil guy.
In addition to Jones Houston has Motiejunas and of course Parsons (who becomes tradeable if Morey exercises his team option).
Ok, what am I missing here:
Why extend him now? He is 32, his play certainly isnt going to get better next year so I dont understand why Memphis would think he would command more on the open market than $10M a season. To the best of my knowledge having him under contract for the next 2 years doesnt allow them to like spread the $36.5M total amongst 3 years. Wasnt there any value whatsoever in them handing this deal out? I think the most plausible explanation is that Chris Wallace is their GM.
Why extend him now? He is 32, his play certainly isnt going to get better next year so I dont understand why Memphis would think he would command more on the open market than $10M a season. To the best of my knowledge having him under contract for the next 2 years doesnt allow them to like spread the $36.5M total amongst 3 years. Wasnt there any value whatsoever in them handing this deal out? I think the most plausible explanation is that Chris Wallace is their GM.
Basically, my sense is simply that the market for any kind of decent big man is $10M+. I don't love Randolph, but if you disagree and thin he's like the 5th best PF or something, then this is fine.
I really misjudged the big man market, yeah any half way competent big is in the $10M range. I do still think its a little silly to hand this out now since his value is only going down, I mean he could have opted for free agency and took the 1yr$16.5M instead so in a way thats sort of saying something about his long-term value. But they did have an alternative play which was to get under the cap, they are at $26M for 15/16 and even if Gasol gets the max at $17M they would still have just about enough room for another max so you could try to replace Randolph and actually get younger. I'd probably roll the dice on that because either you have 2 shots at improving your situation with either getting Randolph at something less than $10M or replacing Randolph with possibly a better/younger guy.
I don't know if Wallace is back calling all the shots but he is arguably the best in the game at manipulating the salary cap for the financial benefit of the team. He did is for Gaston in Boston then again in Memphis for Heisley. It's what he does.wutang112878 said:
Devin Oliver who helped lead The University of Dayton Flyers to an Elite 8 run this year (that's him in my avatar) tweeted today that he will be joining fellow UD alum Chris Johnson on the Celt's Summer League team in Orlando. He's a long shot at best but you're gonna love this kid's heart.
So how much financial sacrifice do the South Beach boys make, to make room for Melo? If the opts-outs free up $66 million, is that enough for The Big-3 and Melo?
only if they take an average under $14M each. Possible, but I'm not sure Melo for one takes that, Chicago and Houston will offer him significantly more.bankshot1 said:
The Lakers have more to offer as well.
Realistically, it only works if Wade is willing to take one for the team.
Realistically, it only works if Wade is willing to take one for the team.
knucklecup said:
Wade is owed $42 million over the next two years. If they pay him $12.5 million to start next year, he could get 4 years $55.6 million total. Then Miami buys him out whenever he is finished playing (wink, nod agreement) and since Wade is only 32 right now, they would avoid the dreaded "Over 36 rule".
You think Wade is only playing 2 more years, why else is a buyout? That deal is him taking one for the team big time. Not only taking a massive salary cut, but tying himself in long term at that cut price?ishmael said:
After Jason Kidd's demand to run basketball ops, was denied, the Nets have given Milwaukee permission to speak to Kidd about a position within the organization.
Why would Milwaukee want him. He's shown no competence at any job other than being a player, and he's had conflict with everyone in the Nets organization because he's a paranoid control freak.RedOctober3829 said:
Cellar-Door said:
Agreed---the only thing worse than Kidd as a coach this season is the fact he made a power play after it. Just amazing---have to wonder if Prokorov is paying enough attention to tell his GM to find a legitimate coach
Hey, I'm the guy who posted they'd still win the division even when they were in the cellar...I know they played better. I do not think Kidd showed anything as a coach, however. They had a lot more talent and experience than most teams in the east, and they ended up with a record a little below where they probably should have, in my mind.
I would agree that after a beginning so bad he could easily have been fired Kidd improved---but I don't think he's even back to 'average' and don't see a lot of reason to think he'll get there. We'll see
I would agree that after a beginning so bad he could easily have been fired Kidd improved---but I don't think he's even back to 'average' and don't see a lot of reason to think he'll get there. We'll see
RT @GeryWoelfel: No one will confirm this but I was told Kidd has been offered job as Bucks president
Cellar-Door said:
Mark Lasry, one of the new co-owners of the Bucks, was a former Nets partner and is reportedly super-tight with Kidd. That's where all this is coming from.
Never mind that Jason Kidd finished 6 games over .500 in his one and only season as a head coach, and now feels entitled to make all basketball decisions. He's a fucking idiot.
EDIT - Make that 4 games, including playoffs. He's an even bigger fucking idiot.
well, it must be a slow news cycle on a Saturday night...Jason Kidd...so Lawrence Frank becomes new head coach (and an apology from management)?
What a gift for the Nets if this turns out to really happen. They get rid of Kidd, and don't even have to fire him or pay the rest of his contract. Maybe they can even weasel a 2nd round pick from the Bucks or something.
I would have loved to be a fly on the wall in the room when Kidd or his agent made demands for more power. I wonder how long it took the Nets management to start laughing uncontrollably.
I would have loved to be a fly on the wall in the room when Kidd or his agent made demands for more power. I wonder how long it took the Nets management to start laughing uncontrollably.
Kidd better be careful starting his car the next few days. Don't piss off a Russianradsoxfan said:
Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA 3m
As for U-Turn back to Nets? Likely too late. "Russians are done with Kidd," one source tells Yahoo. Belief is that King is more forgiving.
Kidd may want to go into hiding...
As for U-Turn back to Nets? Likely too late. "Russians are done with Kidd," one source tells Yahoo. Belief is that King is more forgiving.
Kidd may want to go into hiding...
I really don't get this. Lasry and Edens seemed like they had a good plan for Milwaukee. Jason Kidd has zero qualifications to be President of an NBA team, and he's been brutally unprofessional in his 1 year with the Nets. This seems like a Dolan and Thomas type thing where Lasry is so excited to be friends with a former great player that he fucks everything up. Even Thomas had experience, sure he ran everything into the ground, but it was experience.
Kidd never lost a team that was waiting to roll over and die. He was in my short group of Coach of the Year with Popovich, Hornacek, and Steve Clifford. What he did with that Nets team not only keeping them together but having the best record in the league over the last 50 games was nothing short of brilliant with such a flawed team that had so many egos and injuries.swingin val said: