@Chris_Broussard: Sources: Carmelo Anthony will visit Houston, Dallas and Chicago once teams are allowed to meet with free agents on July 1
2014 Non-Celtic Offseason News and Rumors
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I love KG but he was a walking corpse on the floor last year and just could not shoot the basketball whatsoever.Papelbon's Poutine said:
KG is like Tyson Chandler. He was so good defensively before, that when he declined, people put him right in the grave. Garnett was still very good to great defensively last year by defensive rating and RPM respectively. While it's true he was terrible offensively, he still overall represents an improvement over whoever else would soak up his minutes in Brooklyn.wutang112878 said:
Why does everyone (media, fans) keep mentioning Chicago as an attractive option for Carmelo, Lebron, etc.? It's not 2011. Boozer had a nice bounce back season but will be 33, Deng is gone, and the question marks about Rose are obvious. That's not a dangerous, "up and coming" team that is was once considered 2-3 years ago.
SemperFidelisSox said:
I largely agree, but if I'm looking for the perfect guy to team up with Lebron, Noah is on the shortlist.
bowiac said:
Defensively sure, he is still good but those numbers just dont completely jive with what I saw with my eyes. The player that put up those ridiculous defensive numbers is just not the guy that is stepping onto the court now, so I cant say those numbers are a mirage but his 101 Drtg last year is not the same as the 09/10 Drtg of 101
Now physically he played 54 games, he averaged 20.5 minutes a game, he played more than 30 minutes exactly once. He has squeezed virtually every ounce of basketball that is left from his body. And you are glossing over how horrific he was offensively, his Ortg was 93 and the league average was 106.7, whatever you are getting from him defensively is just never, ever going to compensate for that.
If he retired they could have gone and found a replacement level C to basically just take up space and be a net nothing on the court. If you look at his actual on/off the Nets were at a 1.5 disadvantage with him on the court, and a 0.4 disadvantage with him off the court. Which is why, and I hate to say this, I just dont see him being very difficult to replace.
SemperFidelisSox said:
I think its largely based on the assumption that Rose will bounce back (maybe not to the status he was but still a good PG) and that Noah is such a good defensive and passing big man.
Honestly, I think that Melo ends up on a Texas team.
color me as disappointed...Danny had 9 future firsts to work with and a trade exception...and he doesn't pull the trigger for AsikRedOctober3829 said:
If Love was close to getting done, he'd have gotten Asik. Thus leads me to believe that Love won't be coming.
We're still looking at Bass and Vitor on the roster right now in the rotation on the front lineBigSoxFan said:
He's got one year on his deal, what's the point of giving up an asset for that if they aren't planning to compete?the1andonly3003 said:
Woj tweets a trade:
Yahoo Sources: In a first step toward creating max contract space, Houston trades center Omer Asik to New Orleans. http://yhoo.it/TkKHlZ
Yahoo Sources: In a first step toward creating max contract space, Houston trades center Omer Asik to New Orleans. http://yhoo.it/TkKHlZ
Morey played the Asik/Lin thing really well. If that team adds Lebron this summer... my goodness.
tbb345 said:
If the Celtics deal Rondo, Lin could be a placeholder while they groom their future point guard (drafted). It would be nice if Morey tossed in a draft pick.
ETA: The fact that the Pelicans threw in a first rounder in the Asik trade shows how fucking idiotic their front office is (see: Jrue Holiday)
Holiday was having a good year before he got hurt and Asik is pretty good too. I can easily foresee those deals being a net win for New Orleans, especially if it turns out this recent pick is lottery protected.bball831 said:
And don't forget Ryan Anderson. If they stay healthy, they can be the 8th seed IMO.
I have this sinking feeling Anthony Davis is the next Kevin Love. i.e. a (super)star who won't ever see the playoffs cause his management is super incompetent.
I still can't believe people thought the Celtics were getting Asik for nothing.
I don't know. We already have a ton of picks headed our way that are outside the top 10, and there's a significant opportunity cost in making that trade for Lin.
BigSoxFan said:
I don't know. We already have a ton of picks headed our way that are outside the top 10, and there's a significant opportunity cost in making that trade for Lin.
The_Powa_of_Seiji_Ozawa said:
What team was going to be able to take on both of them while acheiving their ultimate goal of clearing cap space?
The_Powa_of_Seiji_Ozawa said:
I think its probably easier to staple Lin to the pick they just got.
Lin + Asik = 30M for one season. Not a lot of owners are going to be thrilled about that.
NO giving up a lightly protected 1st round pick for one season of Asik at 15M (admittedly less than 9M on the salary cap) is bananas, unless they are convinced he is the missing piece of their title team.
Is it only lightly protected? I saw a tweet suggesting Houston only got the pick if the Pelicans finished between 9 and 20 in the draft.radsoxfan said:
RT @WojYahooNBA: Rockets can be more patient finding a Jeremy Lin deal, wait for a free agent to commit. Moving Asik now was statement they can get max room.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>I'm hearing the Knicks are trying to move Dalembert and Larkin in a separate deal, according to a person familiar with the matter.</p>— Chris Herring (@HerringWSJ) <a href="https://twitter.com/HerringWSJ/statuses/481926677178884096">June 25, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Interesting.
I've always liked what Dalembert brings to the table. It was a weird situation in Dallas for him as a fantasy owner. He would have a week straight 10/10 games followed by a DNP-CD. I feel like I've read that he's lazy but again, I like what he brings to the table. 1 year / $3.9 million for a defensive oriented big, why not?
So much hype surrounding Larkin last year by the way.
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Interesting.
I've always liked what Dalembert brings to the table. It was a weird situation in Dallas for him as a fantasy owner. He would have a week straight 10/10 games followed by a DNP-CD. I feel like I've read that he's lazy but again, I like what he brings to the table. 1 year / $3.9 million for a defensive oriented big, why not?
So much hype surrounding Larkin last year by the way.
Tom Benson's health is starting to deteriorate and when he bought the Pelicans he directed them to win.
After last season's disappointing result, Dell Demps and Monty Williams are on the chopping block.
I have no doubt this is just the beginning of a wild Pelicans offseason. You're going to see some crazy stuff as the GM tries to save his job.
Can he move Gordon? That's Demps' ultimate goal. But the Pels just tossed their 1st rounder, which I thought they would have used in a Gordon deal.
I will be shocked if they do not sign PJ Tucker to the MLE.
Holiday/Evans/Tucker/Davis/Asik
With Anderson off the bench with Davis moving to the 5 when they go small with Anderson.
It's a decent lineup but I'm not sure it could be much more that a 7-8 seed. And they'll have to pray for a healthy season this year after the disaster that was last year.
After last season's disappointing result, Dell Demps and Monty Williams are on the chopping block.
I have no doubt this is just the beginning of a wild Pelicans offseason. You're going to see some crazy stuff as the GM tries to save his job.
Can he move Gordon? That's Demps' ultimate goal. But the Pels just tossed their 1st rounder, which I thought they would have used in a Gordon deal.
I will be shocked if they do not sign PJ Tucker to the MLE.
Holiday/Evans/Tucker/Davis/Asik
With Anderson off the bench with Davis moving to the 5 when they go small with Anderson.
It's a decent lineup but I'm not sure it could be much more that a 7-8 seed. And they'll have to pray for a healthy season this year after the disaster that was last year.
knucklecup said:
If they wanted to make a statement that they can make it happen then moving Lin should have been the first move. They have identical deals but Asik seems to have more value around the league given that he is a C, so if they wanted to just give someone away he is the easiest domino to have fall. And now I would imagine any team that thinks they are 'in the running' for Lebron would try to sabotage any Lin deal which is also probably easier to do with Lin than Asik since the PG market is so much small than the C market.
MakMan44 said:
Low return for Afflalo. So he gets Evan Fournier and a late second rounder, while Klay Thompson is too much for Kevin Love. I must be missing something. I mean, I'd rather have KT, but something here is out of whack.
Yeah, definitely a bit off. One factor is that Afflalo's contract has an opt out clause, so he's effectively a 1 year rental. But I still think his value's greater than Fornier and a 2nd.DannyDarwinism said:
Thompson is on his rookie deal still, which makes it much more likely that he'll stay with whoever trades for him.
Yes it appears pretty obvious it's Boston as we are the only non-WC team and non-playoff contender of those 4.Brickowski said:
Teams that could take him without returning any players (by TPE or cap space):Brickowski said:
Boston
Charlotte
Cleveland
Denver
Golden State
Lakers (unlikely they renounce Bird rights to do it but they could)
Milwaukee
Orlando
Philly
Phoenix
Utah
While this is accurate how many teams are going to give up over $8m of cap space and $14m in salary for a backup or part-time starting PG?Cellar-Door said:
The Rockets own the 25th and 42nd picks. Ainge has been rumored to be wanting to add at least one 2nd rounder. If we do deal 6 & 17 this becomes even more possible.swingin val said:
I'd say... Charlotte, Utah, Denver for sure, Phoenix almost certainly not. Everyone else is a maybe, since they could either use him as a player, or just an asset that can be re-sold for more than nothingHomeRunBaker said:
Edit- some talk that they might be willing to include more value (maybe a 1st rounder) in the deal. (Parsons going out with him and a future pick coming back might be something they look at as well). That broadens who would be interested I think. Philly for example probably has no use for him, but if he comes with a 1st? They need to pay someone to make the salary floor.
Edit the second: Apparently Broussard thinks that they might have a deal of Lin and Parsons to GS, who would use Parsons to replace Thompson when they deal him for Love.