2014 Non-Celtic Offseason News and Rumors

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The Charlotte Bobcats are now the Charlotte Hornets, although not the same Charlotte Hornets that they once were
 

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The Nets are rumored to be looking for a taker on Deron Williams, and the Lakers appear to be interested:
 
http://thebrooklyngame.com/nets-trade-rumors-deron-williams-lakers-target/
Kind of a weak connection, the article even says they are "potentially interested" which is their way of connecting dots that don't fit.  Obviously the Nets are going to try and trade him considering how awful of a contract he is.
 

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The Nets are the best.  As bad as Deron has played, if they move him they are going to get pennies on the dollar and getting out of his contract really does very little for the franchise.  It seems the best course of action would be to try to just fix him and figure out why he is broken, but that might be too simplified.
 
As a Celtics related note, this would make our future Nets picks all the more awesome!
 

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I'm not sure how it would hurt the Nets to lose Deron. He was really awful last year: they were better with Shaun Livingston anyway.

wutang112878 said:
The Nets are the best. As bad as Deron has played, if they move him they are going to get pennies on the dollar and getting out of his contract really does very little for the franchise.
Although in this case their asset is worth negative dollars. If they can get a penny for someone to come to their house and bury their dog poo they should be thrilled.
 

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Can C's get Love and Irving using Rondo and draft picks?
I was diddling around with a Rondo and pick for Irving last week......this would recreate the franchise. It places tremendous value now in keeping Avery, add Asik with Green and you have a tremendously balanced lineup with enough defensive presence.

This is my pipe dream!
 

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They're one of only a few legitimate threats in the Kevin Love sweepstakes. Ugh, this sucks.
If they do trade Irving, though, then that would make them a great Rondo trade destination.

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I was diddling around with a Rondo and pick for Irving last week......this would recreate the franchise. It places tremendous value now in keeping Avery, add Asik with Green and you have a tremendously balanced lineup with enough defensive presence.

This is my pipe dream!
Why would you trade Rondo for Irving? Wouldn't you rather trade Rondo for Durant or Lebron?
 

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If they do trade Irving, though, then that would make them a great Rondo trade destination.

Why would you trade Rondo for Irving? Wouldn't you rather trade Rondo for Durant or Lebron?
Well obviously now you have to dig into some future picks but Cleveland is going to need a PG and a name to save face.
 

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Well obviously now you have to dig into some future picks but Cleveland is going to need a PG and a name to save face.
Cleveland isn't interested in future late lottery picks. They've already drafted 4 players in the top 5 the last 3 years, have the #1 pick and want to win now. If they flip Kyrie it will be for a star player ala Love.
 

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Whatever they're trying, Cleveland will manage to fuck it up.
They'll trade Kyrie who'll learn how to play defense, Love will get Bill Walton feet, and Embiid's back will explode.
 

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HomeRunBaker said:
I was diddling around with a Rondo and pick for Irving last week......this would recreate the franchise. It places tremendous value now in keeping Avery, add Asik with Green and you have a tremendously balanced lineup with enough defensive presence.

This is my pipe dream!
 
This is going to be a fun team to watch for sure.

 
 

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When's the last time 2 young stars have been traded for each other not including the draft? Doesn't seem to happen very much in the NBA.
It rarely happens these days because the teams have spent so many resources in marketing their young star player. The times is does/could happen is when two players have either worn out their welcome with the team, make it known they want to move on to greener pastures, or have a large contract coming up that the team doesn't want to commit.

It's very reasonable if not likely that both Kyrie and Rondo will move on over the next 12-18 months.
 

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HomeRunBaker said:
I was diddling around with a Rondo and pick for Irving last week......this would recreate the franchise. It places tremendous value now in keeping Avery, add Asik with Green and you have a tremendously balanced lineup with enough defensive presence.

This is my pipe dream!
Does this pipe dream include getting Love in another trade, or would that be too much of a pipe dream?
 

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Does this pipe dream include getting Love in another trade, or would that be too much of a pipe dream?
I was including Love in this lineup I happened to omit that accidentally.
 

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Chandler Parsons is about to be a restricted free agent.
 
https://twitter.com/wojyahoonba/status/474015745743921156
 
Pretty surprising, given how cheap his option is, but Houston can match any offers this way.
 

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It makes sense when you consider that Houston gains a lot of advantages in restricted free agency (the ability to match offers being foremost among them).
 
There's also less cap space around the NBA right now then there will be this time next year, so they have a better shot at retaining Parsons on a reasonable contract as opposed to a retarded Eric Gordon/Jrue Holiday contract.
 

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Yep. Also makes him an intriguing trade piece in a sign-and-trade. If they'd picked up the option, any team acquiring him would risk losing him in a season because he'd have been a UFA regardless. Not a bad piece if they're going hard after Love.
 

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Yep. Also makes him an intriguing trade piece in a sign-and-trade. If they'd picked up the option, any team acquiring him would risk losing him in a season because he'd have been a UFA regardless. Not a bad piece if they're going hard after Love.
I don't see this as a factor with Love. Minnesota would have to be Parsons choice destination in a sign-n-trade as he is a restricted FA. I don't want to speculate on his choice of climate but that's a tough sell for a born and raised Floridian.
 

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For the Rockets, there are two distinct advantages to letting Parsons into restricted free agency now. First, Houston is determined to clear the necessary salary cap space this summer to chase a third maximum contract free agent to join Dwight Howard and James Harden, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.
 
I would assume this means Asik and Lin heading out of town for air. Good news for the Celtics, who have a handy TPE. Throw in the right to trade second-round draft picks and you have a deal.
 
Hard to see where Lin goes, though. Only other TPEs big enough are Nuggets and Warriors.
 

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So the Rockets have ~$64M on the books basically right at the projected cap.  Parsons takes $1M off, Asik & Lin take off $8M each.  So they need to clear all of these guys, but then who are they chasing who might be max worthy?  Stephenson and Monroe arent max guys and duplicate what they already have.  Lebron, Wade or Melo seem like pipedreams.  I just dont see who they are targeting.
 

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Lebron, Wade or Melo seem like pipedreams.  I just dont see who they are targeting.
 
It has to be Bosh. He would actually be a pretty nice fit next to Howard.
 

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It has to be Bosh. He would actually be a pretty nice fit next to Howard.
He's already said he won't opt out though.
I would guess they are chasing Melo, and won't get him.
 

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Now that I think of it, if the Heat are breaking up they are probably have somewhat of a chance at Lebron because they could make a great case to him with Harden as his scoring sidekick and Howard's defensive presence and rebounding ability to start the break.  But yeah Bosh is probably the most realistic, logical option.
 

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I would assume this means Asik and Lin heading out of town for air. Good news for the Celtics, who have a handy TPE. Throw in the right to trade second-round draft picks and you have a deal.
 
Hard to see where Lin goes, though. Only other TPEs big enough are Nuggets and Warriors.
Could also just send him to a team far enough under the cap that could absorb him.
 

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Could also just send him to a team far enough under the cap that could absorb him.
I'm not sure anyone is going to be eager to pay $15M for Jeremy Lin right now, even without a proportional cap hit. He's a guy someone short a guard might be willing to pay $7-8M for down the stretch, but I'm not sure anyone is going to go into the season with a plan on paying him that much.
 

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I'm not sure anyone is going to be eager to pay $15M for Jeremy Lin right now, even without a proportional cap hit. He's a guy someone short a guard might be willing to pay $7-8M for down the stretch, but I'm not sure anyone is going to go into the season with a plan on paying him that much.
Wasn't saying anyone should. Was just pointing out there are other options to move him besides teams with TPEs available.
 
Just as an example, if Houston really thought they could use the cap space for an impact FA, they could just do what Golden State did last year and dump Lin on a team under the cap(Philly?) along with an asset or two to clear the space.
 

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Wasn't saying anyone should. Was just pointing out there are other options to move him besides teams with TPEs available.
 
Just as an example, if Houston really thought they could use the cap space for an impact FA, they could just do what Golden State did last year and dump Lin on a team under the cap(Philly?) along with an asset or two to clear the space.
Houston shouldn't have any trouble moving Lin if Carmelo, Bosh or LeBron are on the table as he is a productive player who can fill a role and sell some tickets rather than a complete sunk cost. They can pay up to $3m toward the contract plus add either a pick and/or Terrance Jones, the latter especially if it's for Bosh.
 

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You think NYK would take Lin back as part of a sign and trade for Carmelo? I mean the team is terrible, may as well try to create Linsanity for the last year of his contract
 

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Today has been a lot of fun. First we get Dwight messing around with a high school senior and allegedly flying her out to games while she was under-age.
 
And now Flip Saunders has named himself the new Wolves coach after botching the Joerger situation.  This makes Saunders one of the most powerful non-owners in the NBA as he now holds the titles Head Coach/President/Part-Owner.
 

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Not sure how you blame Saunders for the Joerger situation. Memphis owner guy is completely nuts, and it appears that he was asking for ridiculous compensation.
 

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The Clippers have reorganized their front office, pushing Gary Sacks out of his position as General Manager, according to Jeff Zillgitt of USA Today (Twitter links).  Dave Wohl, a longtime league exec and assistant coach, will take over as GM with Sacks being bumped down to assistant GM.
In other changes, Doc Rivers has ascended from senior VP of basketball operations to president of basketball operations.  Kevin Eastman, an assistant on Rivers’ staff, will move into the VP of basketball ops role.
I am extremely excited to work closely with Kevin, Dave and Gary in their new roles as we continue to move the culture of the Clippers forward,” Rivers said in the press release.  “Our goals are not only to become a championship team, but a championship organization as well. I feel with the new structure of the Basketball Operations Department, we have taken a positive step in that direction.
Wohl becomes General Manager of the Clippers after working as the team’s Director of Professional Scouting last season.  Wohl has more than four decades of NBA experience under his belt, including a stint as an assistant coach for the Wolves from 2009-2011 and serving as the Assistant GM of the Celtics from 2007-2009.  He has also worked in various capacities for Orlando, Miami, Sacramento and the Lakers in addition to serving as the head coach of the Nets from 1985-1988.
http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2014/06/clippers-dave-wohl.html
 

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On another note, the Cavs are interviewing David Blatt for their head coaching position. I'm a little surprised that the Celtics have never shown much interest in Blatt (at least nothing that has been made public).
 

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On another note, the Cavs are interviewing David Blatt for their head coaching position. I'm a little surprised that the Celtics have never shown much interest in Blatt (at least nothing that has been made public).
Looks like Blatt's hiring is just pending Gilbert's approval.

Additionally, the Cavs are apparently talking to the Jazz about swapping 1 and 5. Cavs would get Favors, and Utah would select Jabari.
 

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https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/481893366771490816
https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/481893590944481280
https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/481893884847738880
 
Kind of a curious deal by the Mavs to re-acquire a player they could have re-signed that is now on the back 9 of his career, especially after an injury riddled season.  
 

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Framework:
 
Chris Mannix (@ChrisMannixSI): Framework is Calderon, Dalembert, Larkin and Ellington for Chandler and Felton, sources confirm. ESPN first.
 
Adrian Wojnarowski (@WojYahooNBA): Knicks-Mavs close on Tyson Chandler/Raymond Felton to Dallas for Calderon/Dalembert, sources say. Wayne Ellington possibly involved too.

 

Adrian Wojnarowski (@WojYahooNBA): Point guard Shane Larkin would be a part of the package to the Knicks too, sources said.
 
I am curious what this trade really does for the Knicks.  Chandler is certainly on the back nine, but he is still a somewhat useful player.  More importantly, his big contract is up next summer, at which point there was talk that the Knicks could go hard after the free agent class of 2015.  On the other hand, Calderon is making $7.5M a year through the summer of 2017.  He will turn 33 before this season.  Seems like the last thing the Knicks need is an expensive aging PG clogging their cap for the next three years.  Calderon can still play, but he's never been effective on defense, and for how much longer is he a good or even average player?
 
I do like Larkin's potential, but he hardly played at all last year.  Dalembert is very close to finished.  I don't know the intricacies of their cap situation for this summer, but they are still carrying Stoudemire's albatross and won't be true players for anyone else if they are able to sign Carmelo.  Any Knicks fans?  Does this deal make sense?
 

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Framework:
 
Chris Mannix (@ChrisMannixSI): Framework is Calderon, Dalembert, Larkin and Ellington for Chandler and Felton, sources confirm. ESPN first.
 
Adrian Wojnarowski (@WojYahooNBA): Knicks-Mavs close on Tyson Chandler/Raymond Felton to Dallas for Calderon/Dalembert, sources say. Wayne Ellington possibly involved too.

 

Adrian Wojnarowski (@WojYahooNBA): Point guard Shane Larkin would be a part of the package to the Knicks too, sources said.
 
I am curious what this trade really does for the Knicks.  Chandler is certainly on the back nine, but he is still a somewhat useful player.  More importantly, his big contract is up next summer, at which point there was talk that the Knicks could go hard after the free agent class of 2015.  On the other hand, Calderon is making $7.5M a year through the summer of 2017.  He will turn 33 before this season.  Seems like the last thing the Knicks need is an expensive aging PG clogging their cap for the next three years.  Calderon can still play, but he's never been effective on defense, and for how much longer is he a good or even average player?
 
I do like Larkin's potential, but he hardly played at all last year.  Dalembert is very close to finished.  I don't know the intricacies of their cap situation for this summer, but they are still carrying Stoudemire's albatross and won't be true players for anyone else if they are able to sign Carmelo.  Any Knicks fans?  Does this deal make sense?


 
Well they save about $8M this year it looks like (assuming they don't pick up Damembert's option). I don't know why they do it though, Calderon is ok even at $7M, but the loss of Chandler is big, and Larkin showed nothing as a rookie.
In a vaccuum it doesn't seem to do much for them, unless it is part of blowing it up because they know Melo won't re-sign i don't get it.
 

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TheDeuce222 said:
 
Framework:
 
Chris Mannix (@ChrisMannixSI): Framework is Calderon, Dalembert, Larkin and Ellington for Chandler and Felton, sources confirm. ESPN first.
 
Adrian Wojnarowski (@WojYahooNBA): Knicks-Mavs close on Tyson Chandler/Raymond Felton to Dallas for Calderon/Dalembert, sources say. Wayne Ellington possibly involved too.

 

Adrian Wojnarowski (@WojYahooNBA): Point guard Shane Larkin would be a part of the package to the Knicks too, sources said.
 
I am curious what this trade really does for the Knicks.  Chandler is certainly on the back nine, but he is still a somewhat useful player.  More importantly, his big contract is up next summer, at which point there was talk that the Knicks could go hard after the free agent class of 2015.  On the other hand, Calderon is making $7.5M a year through the summer of 2017.  He will turn 33 before this season.  Seems like the last thing the Knicks need is an expensive aging PG clogging their cap for the next three years.  Calderon can still play, but he's never been effective on defense, and for how much longer is he a good or even average player?
 
I do like Larkin's potential, but he hardly played at all last year.  Dalembert is very close to finished.  I don't know the intricacies of their cap situation for this summer, but they are still carrying Stoudemire's albatross and won't be true players for anyone else if they are able to sign Carmelo.  Any Knicks fans?  Does this deal make sense?


 
 
Calderon had a very good year last year. Sure, he's old, but so is Chandler, and going forward the Knicks don't really have cap issues to speak of. Amare and Bargnani both expire, and beyond those two, there's nobody on the team making north of 6 million (assuming Carmelo is gone). This gives them a young guy with potential in Larkin, and an upgrade at PG in Calderon. In the triangle, Calderon's shooting is going to be a huge, huge upgrade over Felton. Something like this was inevitable, and unfortunately, an aging, injury prone center just wasn't going to bring a ton back.
 

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Also, in the event that Melo leaves in a sign and trade, the Knicks can only take players back if they're under the tax apron. Shedding salary this year in Felton/Chandler helps with that.