So the mariners went from having to pay 60 mil with Bruce and Swarzak (according to early reports) to 20 mil with the same players. This is an insanely good deal for Seattle. Even if none of the prospects work out.
2018-19 Offseason News, Rumors, Trades
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Bruce, Swarzak, and $20 million is about $60 million. That’s likely how that number got out there.
Bruce, Swarzak, and $20 million for Cano is a push.
3 top prospects for the best closer in the game last year is market rate.
Seems like a trade that fits both sides current goals pretty well. If the Mets can get another good hitter in FA plus a ROY campaign from their 1B prospect and a bounce back from Cespedes, that would fix the offense. They’ll also need 2 set up relievers in FA.
Can they spend that kind of money?
Bruce, Swarzak, and $20 million for Cano is a push.
3 top prospects for the best closer in the game last year is market rate.
Seems like a trade that fits both sides current goals pretty well. If the Mets can get another good hitter in FA plus a ROY campaign from their 1B prospect and a bounce back from Cespedes, that would fix the offense. They’ll also need 2 set up relievers in FA.
Can they spend that kind of money?
I wonder if the Mets would be in play for Pollack? He is a dynamic player when healthy, and I am really curious what clubs are interested in him.
I agree with most of what you say here, just a small quibble that it's really two top prospects, If you believe Fangraphs' analysis anyway. Dunn and Kelenic will be in the lower half of top 100 prospects lists, Bautista (who we traded for Addison Reed) is a guy who might become a decent middle reliever and does not crack the Mariners' top 10.
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We crossposted, I don't think it necessarily does as they could use a SS and a 3B, but I do think they're going after Segura because they think that Machado will end up picking NY.
This article says they’re still pursuing Machado to play 3rd.
https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/phillies/phillies-trade-rumors-phillies-aim-manny-machado-and-jean-segura-same-infield-source
In 2008, NY ended up signing the top three FAs by contract size, CC, Tex and AJ Burnett. In 2010, Cliff Lee turned down a slightly bigger deal from NY to go to PHI after idiot fans harassed his wife in Yankee Stadium in the ALCS.
This year I think NY/PHI could sign the top three between them, Harper (PHI), Machado (NY) and Corbin (NY), and I think PHI is in on whoever they can get of those three and maybe the whole next tier too.
The NL East is going to be fun, WAS has a potential alltime great young OF duo in Soto/Robles plus a top 2 pitcher in the league and they could end up 4th.
More than just serious talks. Agreement in place, they'll make it official tomorrow
https://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/report-mariners-agree-trade-shortstop-jean-segura-phillies/
I don't know. An 89 win season isn't getting you anywhere near the Astros. And, when you look at the big picture, where do they go from here? Paxton is hurt every season. Cano's career likely has a couple more big years then decline. I'm not sure about Segura. I don't know enough about him. He's 28 and a good player and had a slightly positive defensive year according to the fielding bible but was a negative last year. I always thought he looked a bit heavy.
Anyway, if you're Seattle and you think you don't have anything to add to your core now and you think that core will be past its peak by the time the rest of the team is ready, it wouldn't be crazy to do this. Maybe that's their take.
updates per mlbtr
11:16pm: Segura “and possibly one other player” are going to the Phillies in exchange for a trade package including Santana and Crawford, the Seattle Times’ Ryan Divishreports. It isn’t yet clear if Segura will waive his no-trade clause, though Divish figures Segura will want to leave the rebuilding Mariners. Nez Balelo, Segura’s agent, tells Heyman that it isn’t a foregone conclusion that his client will waive the no-trade clause. “If a deal makes sense to Jean then he will consider and there are a lot of variables to consider in order to waive his full no trade and move on,” Balelo said.
10:40pm: Segura is expected to waive his no-trade clause to accommodate the deal, MLB.com’s Jon Paul Morosi reports (Twitter link).
11:16pm: Segura “and possibly one other player” are going to the Phillies in exchange for a trade package including Santana and Crawford, the Seattle Times’ Ryan Divishreports. It isn’t yet clear if Segura will waive his no-trade clause, though Divish figures Segura will want to leave the rebuilding Mariners. Nez Balelo, Segura’s agent, tells Heyman that it isn’t a foregone conclusion that his client will waive the no-trade clause. “If a deal makes sense to Jean then he will consider and there are a lot of variables to consider in order to waive his full no trade and move on,” Balelo said.
10:40pm: Segura is expected to waive his no-trade clause to accommodate the deal, MLB.com’s Jon Paul Morosi reports (Twitter link).
Any M’s fan who watched the games (and didn’t buy the state controlled media spin from Mike Blowers on Root Sports) knew that the 89 wins were smoke and mirrors.
Last year’s Pythagorean record was 77-85, according to https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/SEA/2018.shtml.
Segura’s contract include a $17m option for 2023. He could reasonably ask for that year to be guaranteed in order to waive his no-trade.
Segura isn’t on a bargain deal, 4/60, and Crawford was a top 5 overall prospect not that long ago who has less than 200 career ABs and who hit well in Sept last year.
Seguera is 28 years old and fangraphs has him worth 30, 24, and 41 mil the last 3 seasons. They also had him #49 on their trade value list, one spot below James Paxton. As for Crawford, his September last year was 26 plate appearances, and there are lots of reports that the Phils were way down on him:
https://www.thegoodphight.com/2018/9/12/17849070/where-in-the-world-is-j-p-crawford.
https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/philadelphia-phillies/another-national-minor-league-expert-piles-phillies-jp-crawford
And I have no idea why Santana is in there. He still walks a ton so I guess 40 mil for two years isn't a complete anchor, but why would Seattle want him? Let's wait to see the final package but it looks like the Phillies did well here.
Segura turns 29 in March, so this will be for his 29-32 seasons, 29-33 if he makes PHI pick up the team option in 2023 in exchange for waiving his no-trade. The trade value list was at the ASB last year (mid-July) and Segura wasn't very good after that, .659 OPS in 233 PAs.
I totally agree that DiPoto is rushing this teardown and possibly not getting full value for guys while doing so, but I also think there aren't too many teams willing to give up much for Segura on a 4/60 deal as most contenders are already set at SS.
So this is another potential landing spot for Xander that is apparently off the table. I continue to wonder what his market is going to look like in a year.
In this proposed Phils-Mariners trade, Anthony Swarzak would be headed to Philly with J.P. Crawford and Carlos Santana going to Seattle per Bob Nightengale. He also adds that other MLB players and at least 1 prospect are going to be involved.
Some conflicting info whether Swarzak is included.
9:44am: The Athletic’s Jayson Stark tweets that Swarzak is not a part of this trade, though he adds that the Mariners are sending a veteran player to help even out the financial component of the deal. Speculatively speaking, righty Juan Nicasio has a similar salary to that of Swarzak and could function in a similar capacity in this trade.
9:44am: The Athletic’s Jayson Stark tweets that Swarzak is not a part of this trade, though he adds that the Mariners are sending a veteran player to help even out the financial component of the deal. Speculatively speaking, righty Juan Nicasio has a similar salary to that of Swarzak and could function in a similar capacity in this trade.
Cano deal is finally official. can't way to see how the results evolve through the years, on both sides.
Rosenthal says it is Nicasio, along with maybe one more pitcher.
Ken RosenthalVerified account @Ken_Rosenthal 2m2 minutes ago
#Mariners will send reliever Juan Nicasio and perhaps another pitcher along with shortstop Jean Segura to the #Phillies for 1B Carlos Santana and SS J.P. Crawford, sources tell The Athletic. Nicasio possibility first mentioned by @JonHeyman.
EDIT: Rosenthal now says said extra pitcher is Pazos.
Ken RosenthalVerified account @Ken_Rosenthal 4m4 minutes ago
#Phillies also acquiring lefty reliever James Pazos from the #Mariners, sources tell The Athletic. The deal, as it stands: SS Jean Segura, RH reliever Juan Nicasio and Pazos for 1B Carlos Santana and SS J.P. Crawford.
Now this trade smells more like Segura became a clubhouse cancer (there were reports of this in like September) and they dumped him.
Ken RosenthalVerified account @Ken_Rosenthal 2m2 minutes ago
#Mariners will send reliever Juan Nicasio and perhaps another pitcher along with shortstop Jean Segura to the #Phillies for 1B Carlos Santana and SS J.P. Crawford, sources tell The Athletic. Nicasio possibility first mentioned by @JonHeyman.
EDIT: Rosenthal now says said extra pitcher is Pazos.
Ken RosenthalVerified account @Ken_Rosenthal 4m4 minutes ago
#Phillies also acquiring lefty reliever James Pazos from the #Mariners, sources tell The Athletic. The deal, as it stands: SS Jean Segura, RH reliever Juan Nicasio and Pazos for 1B Carlos Santana and SS J.P. Crawford.
Now this trade smells more like Segura became a clubhouse cancer (there were reports of this in like September) and they dumped him.
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A former Mariners employee alleges management made disparaging comments about players from the Dominican Republic, and Seattle goes on to trade away three Dominican players in the next few weeks. Kind of an interesting coincidence.
They traded Paxton and Zunino too and would move Seager in a second if they could. I obviously don’t know enough to defend them but the common thread among their deals is ‘veterans making real money’, not Dominicans.
Right, just an observation. In further review I should note they traded for two Dominicans as well so probably nothing to see here.
Yeah - this feels like a dramatic underpay for Segura unless he's got serious warts or there's some expectation that Santana is going to start raking again.
Santana going to Seattle also leaves a spot in the OF with Rhys Hoskins returning to first base.
Nats writer claims it's the Nats.
Chelsea JanesVerified account @chelsea_janes 55s55 seconds ago
Nationals have agreed to terms on a deal with Patrick Corbin, according to a person familiar. Pending physical.
EDIT: Passan doubles down.
Jeff PassanVerified account @JeffPassan 56s56 seconds ago
Source: Free agent starter Patrick Corbin has agreed to a six-year deal with the Washington Nationals, pending a physical.
Chelsea JanesVerified account @chelsea_janes 55s55 seconds ago
Nationals have agreed to terms on a deal with Patrick Corbin, according to a person familiar. Pending physical.
EDIT: Passan doubles down.
Jeff PassanVerified account @JeffPassan 56s56 seconds ago
Source: Free agent starter Patrick Corbin has agreed to a six-year deal with the Washington Nationals, pending a physical.
Actually, he's going to the Nationals. Pretty good rotation they have.
Chelsea Janes: Nationals have agreed to terms on a deal with Patrick Corbin, according to a person familiar. Pending physical.
Chelsea Janes: Nationals have agreed to terms on a deal with Patrick Corbin, according to a person familiar. Pending physical.
So does Jeff Passan and Jim Bowden. Huge upset as most if not all thought he was a shoo-in for the Yankees.
Would have thought the Phillies as the 2nd choice. Nats felt like the little brother in a distant 3rd all the way.
in other news
Ken RosenthalVerified account @Ken_Rosenthal 1m1 minute ago
#Astros making significant progress toward signing free-agent catcher Robinson Chirinos, sources tell The Athletic. Deal is believed to be in place, pending physical.
Ken RosenthalVerified account @Ken_Rosenthal 1m1 minute ago
#Astros making significant progress toward signing free-agent catcher Robinson Chirinos, sources tell The Athletic. Deal is believed to be in place, pending physical.
Heyman says Corbin is 140. That's 23.33M AAV. (Passan doubles down now as I type.)
Jon HeymanVerified account @JonHeyman 2m2 minutes ago
sources: Corbin gets $140M over 6
EDIT: Sherman says it's a minimal amount deferred.
Jon HeymanVerified account @JonHeyman 2m2 minutes ago
sources: Corbin gets $140M over 6
EDIT: Sherman says it's a minimal amount deferred.
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I don't think it makes much of a difference in end result, actually. They have enough coming off the books between Murphy, Gio, Madsen and Wieters to more than cover a 6/$126 for Corbin and still be below what they were at last year. Probably another $15-20M in a handful of other guys and a lot of young talem (some entering arbitration, but still). Plus Zimmerman is gone after next season. If they want Harper the Lerners have plenty of money to do it.
Edit: Details on dollars don't make much difference, after update, IMHO. It's a matter if they find him worth it, which with their young OFs, I'm not sure makes much sense.