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I just counted, 11 teenagers in NY's top 30 currently on MLB.com. That's a little misleading because guys like Clint Frazier and Tyler Wade who are likely slated for AAA are no longer eligible to be prospects, but their upper levels are thinner than they've been in a few years at least.
 

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If Cashman isn't convinced by the Machado talent/price/personality/age combo, a Donaldson/Hechevarria pairing could be the way to go, that would leave Gleyber at 2B where he is much better (not according to UZR but they seem quite wrong on this one IMO) and Hechevarria wouldn't block Didi when he came back, and Andujar could go to fulltime DH where he belongs (Stanton the primary LF).

The Didi component is really tricky to work around, Cashman has verbally totally committed to him but he just had TJS on his throwing arm and is a FA after 2019, so you need to plan both ways somehow.
 

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I don't think this is true. We'll see when the dust settles this offseason because who cares in November, but right now the Yankees still have plenty of assets in the farm, just none that are banging on the door. Abreu will be back this year and is looking good, (https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/albert-abreu-looks-as-good-as-new/), German, Frazier, Adams, Florial....Jon could do a more in-depth post here but I think rumors of the farm's demise are being overstated.
(Moving this from the Paxton thread)

Sure, that's fair. I meant "first crack at trade targets" relative to the Sox rather than the league as a whole, but that wasn't clear.

The Yanks system still definitely has an edge over the Sox — and I trust jon abbey on this stuff too — but I'm not sure about the guys you mention. German is turning 27 in 2019 and seemed to get pretty well figured out by mid-May. I don't know if he counts much as a prospect anymore. Adams has fallen out of their top 10 by now, hasn't he? I still like Frazier, but he seems more of a LF than heir apparent to Hicks as their 2020 CF, and I honestly wonder what his trade value would be at this point.
 

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As far as potential trade chips, NY has a ton of high-level arms still throughout their system (not all healthy or actually performing great, but that's how young arms are) but signing a handful of FAs will help their depth as it will free up guys to be moved (for instance, if they figure out the infield situation, Wade and Estrada should both be available, both of whom were borderline top 100 picks coming into 2018). I don't think besides the inevitable Gray deal that NY needs to deal for any more players this winter, all of their needs can be met in the FA market.
 

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So Cashman has said he will be looking to add two relievers, ideally one lefty and one righty from the quartet of Miller/Britton/Ottavino/Robertson but really any two of those guys.

One thing that I learned today which may give Ottavino an edge is that he and Tommy Kahnle are best buds from their COL days and Ottavino has been a big analytics/high-speed camera guy, so if he could get Kahnle back to his dominant 2017 form (and a full winter of rest after he was abused that postseason), that is a very good contract investment even if Ottavino can't totally repeat his 2018.

https://www.nj.com/yankees/index.ssf/2018/11/mlb_hot_stove_this_yankees_pitcher_says_adam_ottav.html
 

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Yankees have acquired Tim Locastro as a potential utility infielder. Though I've never heard of the player, he has a pretty damn good slash in the minors.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/11/yankees-acquire-tim-locastro.html

" It’s not hard to see why the Yankees had interest, given that broad defensive background combined with Locastro’s generally productive numbers at the plate in the upper minors. He’s a .283/.354/.401 hitter through 626 Double-A plate appearances and has turned in an eyebrow-raising .307/.402/.443 slash in his 471 trips to the dish at the game’s highest level."
 

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That makes me wonder if Wade will be packaged with Gray for Gennett, then Locastro is a Wade replacement.
 

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I don't think Sonny Gray and Tyler Wade will get you Scooter Gennett. Gennett just came off a 4 win season and is one of the best 2B in the game currently. If the Reds gave Gennett up for Sonny Gray, that's a really really bad trade.
Completely agree. Not that Gennett can’t be had, but the Yankees will need to give up more.
 

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Not as sure about that as you guys, but NY has any number of pitchers to include if needed, from far-away prospects to guys like Cessa and Cole who are out of options and will need to be moved.
 

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Heyman thinks Harper to NY is still a possibility.


Heyman: prevalent baseball exec opinion: Harper & Machado wind up with NY & Philly, 1 to each. but which one goes to which team? philly seems most aggressive, yanks have admitted interest in machado but downplayed interest in harper (they have had internal and external BH talks however)
 

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Even leaving aside Harper's astronomical cost, here's what NY would have to do to fit Harper in personnel-wise:

Judge would likely move to LF as he is the best OF of Harper/Stanton/Judge, and that's not really ideal as he's superb in RF and has never played LF.

Harper and Stanton would cover RF/DH, but this means that Andujar would either have to 1) stay at 3b (yikes), 2) bump Voit/Bird from 1B (Andujar has never played there) or 3) be traded for a top pitcher, presumably Kluber. If you assume that Andujar needs to be moved from 3B (as I do), I'm not sure Harper even definitely makes the team better, amazing as that sounds, since he would presumably bump Andujar or Voit out of the lineup. FWIW, career OPSs:

Voit: .922 (27 years old)
Andujar .863 (23 years old)
Harper: .900 (26 years old)

The only thing about it that makes sense at all is that Harper is a lefty and NY is extremely right-handed right now, but that is hardly worth $300M+. It also still leaves NY with big infield issues, and if Andujar is moved as part of a Kluber trade, that would mean Harper/Kluber adding something like $50M annually, with holes to still fill in the infield and bullpen. It just doesn't make sense no matter how I look at it.
 

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Sign Harper. Trade Andujar and something else for Kluber. Sign Machado. They have the money to do this. We all know they do. Just a matter if they're willing to do it.

Personally I wouldn't, but man that would be SICK.
 

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I mean come on. These guys are useless.
Maybe, but so was Bryan Mitchell last year and Cashman got SD to take Headley and his salary just by including him.

Anyway, not trying to debate who would be in a possible Gennett deal, but I think he has less value than it seems at first glance. CIN wants to move him to clear room for Senzel, he’s not super cheap (around $9M), and there are quite a few FA 2B out there.
 

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On the subject of Harper, the speculation is purely to create a news cycle. Cashman didn't mince words too much on MLBN when he basically said they talked about it but would really don't know that Harper can play first despite his athleticism. He was far less open about Machado, which to me, makes it clear that Machado is a target but Harper isn't.
 

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Sign Harper. Trade Andujar and something else for Kluber. Sign Machado. They have the money to do this. We all know they do. Just a matter if they're willing to do it.

Personally I wouldn't, but man that would be SICK.
This would probably put them around $257M (Kluber is $17M, assuming a conservative $30M per for the other two) without adding any relievers and with SS still open until Didi is back. The Harper part of it just makes zero sense to me, he's not Mike Trout.
 

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Machado, Corbin and two top relievers plus moving Gray probably puts them around $243M (180+30/22/10/10/-9) plus then they still have Andujar to DH (Stanton goes to LF).

Andujar plus other prospects (not Clint Frazier, CLE supposedly really wants Florial) going in a Kluber deal insted of the Corbin signing also works, then they'd be around $238M and have the trio of Stanton/Clint Frazier/Gardner to cover LF and DH. Either one of those paths makes about a billion times more sense to me than anything involving Harper, but we'll see soon enough.
 

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I think the recommendations around here for the Yankees to sign Harper are more wishful thinking than anything else given that everyone knows the Yankees are going to spend some money. Signing Harper, who is an ill-fitting piece at best, has the biggest bust potential of any huge signings the Yankees could make.
 

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Harper and Stanton would cover RF/DH, but this means that Andujar would either have to 1) stay at 3b (yikes), 2) bump Voit/Bird from 1B (Andujar has never played there) or 3) be traded for a top pitcher, presumably Kluber. If you assume that Andujar needs to be moved from 3B (as I do), I'm not sure Harper even definitely makes the team better, amazing as that sounds, since he would presumably bump Andujar or Voit out of the lineup. FWIW, career OPSs:

Voit: .922 (27 years old)
Andujar .863 (23 years old)
Harper: .900 (26 years old)
I really have to point out here that the 27 year old with the .922 OPS has 285 plate appearances, and he’s going into his age 28 season. Harper is going into his age 26.
 

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I really have to point out here that the 27 year old with the .922 OPS has 285 plate appearances, and he’s going into his age 28 season. Harper is going into his age 26.
And my point wasn't intended to be that Harper isn't a very likely upgrade on Voit, because of course he is, my point is that it is a crazy way to spend $300M+ given the overall context for NY. Luckily NY is well aware of this, although Boras wishes they weren't.
 

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Lots of rumors around the Yankees involvement in trade discussions prior to Paxton involving Goldschmidt, Bauer, Kluber, and Carrasco. Says that Sheffield was the piece Cash was pushing for Paul.

This is all on MLBtr so I'm not going to link it.

Is there any possibility that a team like Cleveland would be interested in Aaron Hicks? Would we do Hicks and Frazier for one of their aces and then go after Harper? Hicks is going to hit free agency next offseason and get a huge raise, I'd hate losing him but I don't think we're going to extend him.
 

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That seems like it's creating holes to fill other holes. Harper or Judge or Gardner or even Ellsbury are all CF downgrades either defensively or offensively, I think even if NY doesn't plan to resign Hicks next year, they need to keep him this year and see how Florial develops, then deal with it one way or another next winter.

I think the only SP left that Cashman might trade for is Kluber, and keep in mind he already makes $17M, so it's tricky to justify sending CLE a lot of talent for him rather than just signing Corbin (although he wants six years currently).
 

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I’d sure love to know what those clubs could be offering.
One interesting possibility is Atlanta, maybe one of their countless pitching prospects that NY could make a 6th or 7th SP in AAA.
 

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I still think NY needs to bring in two infielders with Didi out for the bulk of the year and a question mark after that and with Andujar ideally a DH. The non-tender deadline is Wednesday and one guy to keep an eye on is Jonathan Schoop, who is supposed to make $10-$11M in his final year of arb if MIL actually offers it to him.

Schoop wasn't very good last year but in 2017 in his age 25 season he had a 5.2 fWAR season in the AL East, 32 HRs and 105 RBIs and a .841 OPS. Scooter Gennett is in a similar position (last year of team control at around $9-$10M and younger cheaper options behind him), he is probably a better option but he would cost more in terms of talent probably and Schoop has the AL East experience already, plus he has known Didi since they grew up together in Curacao and of course he has played with Machado for years if he ends up here. Just a thought...
 

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Goodbye Torreyes, thanks for the memories:

"Roster Move: The Yankees have claimed RHP Parker Bridwell off waivers from the Los Angeles Angels. To make room for Bridwell on the 40-man roster, INF Ronald Torreyes was designated for assignment."
 

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Bridwell seems like a Cessa/Cole replacement, since neither of those guys have options left and both need to be moved.
 

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Why would Seattle even up the money? They can get actual production from Cano.

Good question. This excerpt from an Athletic story by Ken Rosenthal says Seattle GM Jerry DiPoto is actively trying to move Cano.


Canó will play next season at 36. He served an 80-game suspension last season for violating baseball’s joint drug policy. His contract includes a full no-trade clause. And — ahem! — he is owed $120 million over the next five seasons. But as Dipoto “reimagines” his roster, he isn’t simply mulling the idea of moving Canó. He’s actively trying to do it, and the Yankees and Mets are two of the teams he has contacted about a trade, according to major-league sources

A return to New York almost certainly would appeal to Canó, who played for the Yankees from 2005 to ’13 before signing his 10-year, $240 million free-agent contract with the Mariners. Whether Canó would appeal to either New York team — or any team at all, for that matter — is another question entirely, hinging mostly on how much of his deal the Mariners would be willing to absorb.

Earlier this offseason, sources said, the Mariners and Yankees briefly discussed a contract swap involving Canó and outfielder Jacoby Ellsbury, who is owed $47.2 million over the next two years and holds a full no-trade clause.

The Yankees wanted the Mariners to include significant cash in addition to taking Ellsbury, and the talks failed to gain traction, according to one source. Money was but one obstacle: Canó, who probably would need to be a first baseman-DH with his former team, has made just 10 career starts at first, all last season, and the Yankees do not want to tie up their DH spot.
 

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If NY wants to pass on Machado, a package of Cano and Jean Segura could work but I don't think SEA would get much in return. If SEA picked up $9M per year from Cano's deal, that would put him on a 5/75 deal and Segura is on a 4/56 AAV deal, so that would clear almost $30M per year off SEA's books. NY could move Gleyber to 3B for this season, Cano at 2B for a year, Segura at SS:

Hicks CF
Judge RF
Cano 2B
Stanton LF
Andujar DH
Sanchez C
Torres 3B
Voit 1B
Segura SS

That gets tricky if Didi comes back healthy, but that's a nice problem to have. Segura/Didi/Gleyber would cover 3B/SS/2B in some combo, and two of Cano/Andujar/Voit/Bird would cover DH and 1B.

Segura/Cano combined would be a similar per year price to Machado but a much shorter commitment (for the purposes of evening the length of their deals, let's assume NY picks up Segura's 2023 option at $17M), 5/148 combined.
 

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If NY wants to pass on Machado, a package of Cano and Jean Segura could work but I don't think SEA would get much in return. If SEA picked up $9M per year from Cano's deal, that would put him on a 5/75 deal and Segura is on a 4/56 AAV deal, so that would clear almost $30M per year off SEA's books. NY could move Gleyber to 3B for this season, Cano at 2B for a year, Segura at SS:

Hicks CF
Judge RF
Cano 2B
Stanton LF
Andujar DH
Sanchez C
Torres 3B
Voit 1B
Segura SS

That gets tricky if Didi comes back healthy, but that's a nice problem to have. Segura/Didi/Gleyber would cover 3B/SS/2B in some combo, and two of Cano/Andujar/Voit/Bird would cover DH and 1B.

Segura/Cano combined would be a similar per year price to Machado but a much shorter commitment (for the purposes of evening the length of their deals, let's assume NY picks up Segura's 2023 option at $17M), 5/148 combined.
Cashman should make this happen. DiPoto wants a total rebuild and should be listening.
 

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If NY wants to pass on Machado, a package of Cano and Jean Segura could work but I don't think SEA would get much in return. If SEA picked up $9M per year from Cano's deal, that would put him on a 5/75 deal and Segura is on a 4/56 AAV deal, so that would clear almost $30M per year off SEA's books. NY could move Gleyber to 3B for this season, Cano at 2B for a year, Segura at SS:

Hicks CF
Judge RF
Cano 2B
Stanton LF
Andujar DH
Sanchez C
Torres 3B
Voit 1B
Segura SS

That gets tricky if Didi comes back healthy, but that's a nice problem to have. Segura/Didi/Gleyber would cover 3B/SS/2B in some combo, and two of Cano/Andujar/Voit/Bird would cover DH and 1B.

Segura/Cano combined would be a similar per year price to Machado but a much shorter commitment (for the purposes of evening the length of their deals, let's assume NY picks up Segura's 2023 option at $17M), 5/148 combined.
What do you think NY would have to give up, especially if Seattle is picking up some money?
 

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What do you think NY would have to give up, especially if Seattle is picking up some money?
Maybe something like the Stanton trade, a couple of low level but high ceiling prospects? Honestly it seems roughly fair as proposed so I don't think SEA would be getting much back in player value.

Honestly I want no part of Cano even partly subsidized, and he was my favorite Yankee for a bunch of years, I just think NY can do better. But this is a way that could maybe make sense both ways, I think.
 

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I have this Yanks fan friend that is convinced that you guys can get Profar from the Rangers for Sonny Gray. That is ridiculous right? I cant see how that could possibly happen(I bet him $10 it would never happen) but he is convinced that it is inevitable. He also sent me this tweet, which seems, to me at least, just as/more silly than Profar for Gray

 

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I have this Yanks fan friend that is convinced that you guys can get Profar from the Rangers for Sonny Gray. That is ridiculous right? I cant see how that could possibly happen(I bet him $10 it would never happen) but he is convinced that it is inevitable. He also sent me this tweet, which seems, to me at least, just as/more silly than Profar for Gray

There a lot of teams who see Gray as a high upside or middle rotation option. So, yes, those trades are possible. Profar would be a great addition, especially if he can swing over to first.