May MLB Game Thread
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That's about where I'm at. Sometimes you just have to let shit go, yet apparently neither Bautista nor Odor are capable of that level of maturity. But if that's the work environment at the MLB level, nobody should be shocked or appalled this devolved so violently.
Talk about being a bunch of cowards. There were 3 or 4 people holding Coco to the ground and throwing punches.
With the Red Sox not on tonight I at least get my run fix for the night haha.
Brad Asmus partially unrrobed at home plate and placed his jacket on top of the plate, then threw his hat.
I'm actually surprised that we don't see more of this these days given the "all access" culture that the media seems to need to provide to us. There seems to usually be at least one player or coach that's "miked up" for every national broadcast. I've see it on some local broadcasts as well.
Just watched both the TEX and TOR feeds of the brawl. Impressive honkery on the Blue Jay broadcast. Bautista had no choice but to slide that way after being hit, and had to be held back afterwards (not held up). Chavez also did the only right thing. Jays will do anything for their teammates, except for the whole selfish losing a base runner in a 1-run game act by Joey, which they conveniently forgot about. A fun listen if you've got some spare time.
That'd be occasional Red Sox announcing fill in, Buck Martinez and former Blue Jays World Series MVP, Pat Tabler. Two proponents of The Right Way to Play™️.
While I agree neither of the parties conduct should be defended....someone had to start with letting go. The Jays had several chances to do that, and at each point kept it going. I agree that the appropriate response would have been hitting Fielder with the first pitch of the next inning. Maybe everyone would have moved on then. I find it hilarious that the moron Joey Bats chose Odor to try make his statement. I can only imagine the taunting he'll be taking from the Fenway fans when they come back to Boston. And now Gibbons got ejected again tonight. The Jays are off to a bad start and now they're going to lose two of their stars for a few games at least and have this crap hanging around for awhile. We'll take it.
While I agree neither of the parties conduct should be defended....someone had to start with letting go. The Jays had several chances to do that, and at each point kept it going. I agree that the appropriate response would have been hitting Fielder with the first pitch of the next inning. Maybe everyone would have moved on then. I find it hilarious that the moron Joey Bats chose Odor to try make his statement. I can only imagine the taunting he'll be taking from the Fenway fans when they come back to Boston. And now Gibbons got ejected again tonight. The Jays are off to a bad start and now they're going to lose two of their stars for a few games at least and have this crap hanging around for awhile. We'll take it.
I'm not defending Toronto or Bautista, but what seems to be getting overlooked in this was that Texas waited for months and timed their retaliation against Bautista to his last at bat against them all because of a freaking bat flip.
Again, this doesn't mean that anyone is in the right. But if we're going to talk about someone needing to start with the letting go, it's pretty clear who that was.
Again, this doesn't mean that anyone is in the right. But if we're going to talk about someone needing to start with the letting go, it's pretty clear who that was.
Let's be honest. Everyone looks equally dumb. Except for Beltre (who got Bautista out of the way) and Fielder (who laughed off the HBP).
Perhaps Bautista can learn from how Prince reacted. Take your base and try to score the run. It's not like you've never been hit before... intentional or not.
I think Texas was more wrong than Toronto, and the bat flip was totally OK by me, but I'm at "a pox on both their houses" status at this point - they're all blithering morons. Goes double for announcers and managers, who aren't amid the heat of the moment, or ought to be above it.
Cuzittt is 100% right though, the only star here is Fielder, who responded the absolute best way - laughing like crazy at the poor-sport babies who are trying to "prove something".
Cuzittt is 100% right though, the only star here is Fielder, who responded the absolute best way - laughing like crazy at the poor-sport babies who are trying to "prove something".
Bautista could have easily gotten brain damage. What would Odor have to do to get a double digit suspension, pull out an old-timey six-shooter and put a few holes in an opponent? Start a Ron Artest-style melee in the stands? 8 games. Christ. And once he's done whining and pleading, they'll knock that down to 4 on appeal.
What did he do to get more? Took a HBP from an ex-con, almost got nailed by Odors throw, executed a slide thats been legal for 100 years, got shoved and then clocked in the jaw, and was hugged and humped from behind by Adrian Beltre.
Odor's suspension is about right - 8 games for escalating a situation and leading a wicked punch. Bautista's suspension is a joke - 1 game for a retaliatory slide that is exactly what MLB is trying to eliminate? Ridiculous. I would have liked Bautista to get 3-4.
Do guys who come late into these scrums normally get suspended / fined? Pillar and Donaldson were both off the bench and into the melee and only got fined.
Do guys who come late into these scrums normally get suspended / fined? Pillar and Donaldson were both off the bench and into the melee and only got fined.
I don't think MLB will reduce Odor's suspension by more than a game or two; they can't set the bar at physically assaulting another player on the field at just four games.
What the fuck are you talking about???
As for those that think it should have been "omg 20 games!!1", do you feel same way every time a punch is thrown in a brawl? I personally think the fact that it connected solidly should have zero bearing on the punishment. Absurd that someone would get more games for being a better right hook.
Actually, it's absurd that you would claim that Odor got more games because he had a better right hook.
Odor is the only person who threw a punch. That's a huge difference in terms of how MLB looks at suspensions.
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When kids fight, eventually someone starts to cry and then everyone stops. When adults fight, particularly by surprise or without training, serious shit happens. Not every time, not to the same degree, and not to those like you who've trained for it - but no one should trivialize the life-altering impact that a single well-delivered punch can have. I'd rather get cleated in the legs ten times than get one serious, unexpected hook to the temple.
He punched him in the jaw and it was no sucker punch so we don't have to worry about brain damage. Bautista was balling his fist as well.
Joey bats was winding up to throw one, though. Odor was just faster. Odor has a legit self defense angle, imo. Dude coming at me loads up for a telegraphed right hook, I'm not waiting to see if it lands.
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Then you're suspending Odor for having a quicker right hook, because as others have mentioned Bautista was reaching back and balling his fist up when he got nailed. Bautista tried to play tough guy by doing his little mad dog walk towards Odor too. The suspension is lopsided because of the optics, not fairness.
But this is everything everywhere. The penalty for actually following through on an action is worse than planning or attempting it. Part of it is retribution for the damage done and part of it is confirmation that the actor intended to go all the way. Are you 100% sure that Bautista wouldn't have pulled up last second?
That was a fun inning. Covelli and Josh Reddick were 2 of the baserunners who scored.
As a matter of logic, this is preposterous. Odor hit Bautista before he even made a fist. That's not self-defense, that assault.
Also, as Marciano pointed out, people who take actions get punished more severely than those who might take them but did not, even if the reason they did not is because the other person struck first.
I get that a lot of people hate Bautista, but it doesn't entitle them to their own set of facts. (Or logic.)
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Odor gives him a hard 2 handed shove to the chest. Joey Bats steps his feet into a position to possibly throw a punch but gets his clock cleaned before he ever has a chance to ball his fist.
Yes. 100%. If you read Joey's lips carefully, you can see him say "I'm definitely going to punch you Rougned!". He even pronounced Odor's name wrong, the fool!
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