Zeke to Foxboro: 1 year, up to $6 million

j44thor

Member
SoSH Member
Aug 1, 2006
11,122
I'll never understand passing on Rochon Johnson in the 4th for a K of all things. He is going to be CHI 3rd down back, is already considered very good at pass pro and short yardage and will contribute on ST. Basically everything NE hopes Zeke can still do minus the ST. He went 3 picks after we picked a K in the 4th.
 

wilked

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 17, 2005
4,066
Does anyone think Zeke is the better get than Dalvin? Just curious if there is an argument there?
 

j44thor

Member
SoSH Member
Aug 1, 2006
11,122
Does anyone think Zeke is the better get than Dalvin? Just curious if there is an argument there?
For pass pro and short yardage probably. Also Dalvin is still hurt, likely out at least another week. Dalvin does what Rham does well so he wouldn't complement him as well and costs more.
 

TFisNEXT

Well-Known Member
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Jul 21, 2005
12,537
For pass pro and short yardage probably. Also Dalvin is still hurt, likely out at least another week. Dalvin does what Rham does well so he wouldn't complement him as well and costs more.
Yeah the biggest draw for Zeke if you're looking at it through BB's lens is he is durable (maybe missed 2 games in his entire career because of injury), is excellent in pass protection/blitz pickup, and still is above average for tough yards between the tackles/short yardage/goalline situations. It's a good ying to Stevenson's yang....and as you said, he's cheaper than Cook.

I think Zeke is much more of a pro now than his early days in Dallas too which was probably something not lost on BB. A lot of us Cowboys fans really thought he was an immature dipshit early on despite his explosive on-the-field play, but to his credit, he seemed to take the 2017 suspension and all the criticism that went with it to heart and really matured over the next couple years. He dealt with the Pollard situation like a pro too for the most part.

I think this version of Zeke will be a good fit with the Patriots.
 

DJnVa

Dorito Dawg
SoSH Member
Dec 16, 2010
54,199
I think Zeke is much more of a pro now than his early days in Dallas too which was probably something not lost on BB.
One of the stories I read said that BB called someone in Dallas FO that he's friendly with and asked about him.
 

DennyDoyle'sBoil

Found no thrill on Blueberry Hill
SoSH Member
Sep 9, 2008
43,030
AZ
Does anyone think Zeke is the better get than Dalvin? Just curious if there is an argument there?
Probably not. I guess the question is whether Zeke is good enough for the Patriots such that Zeke plus whatever they do with the over $3 million is > Cook.
 

Kenny F'ing Powers

posts way less than 18% useful shit
SoSH Member
Nov 17, 2010
14,479
Does anyone think Zeke is the better get than Dalvin? Just curious if there is an argument there?
No, but I think you can squint and see why the Patriots preferred Zeke over Dalvin (aside from that Dalvin may have preferred the Jets over the Pats):

First, I don't expect Dalvin to have the same efficiency he had in Minnesota. Minnesota had a better line, Jefferson to keep the top of the defense honest, and Mattison seemed to outperform him in many of the same roles.

Second, I think his total number of career carries - just short of 1300 - is a little misleading. First, a casual reminder that 1500 carries is a pretty good barometer for when running backs start a steep production decline. So, even if his 1300 carries was a fair representation of his workload, he would still be walking pretty close to the edge of the cliff. Regardless, based on workload, it usually takes lead backs 6-7 full seasons to reach 1500 carries. Cook is close to that threshold at 5 full seasons because the Vikings ran him into the ground when he played (when he wasn't getting injured, in part due to the workload). Over the last 4 seasons, Cook has finished 6th, 2nd, 3rd, and 9th in carries per game. In that time, only Derrick Henry (doesn't count, hes an alien) had more carries per game than Cook. Hell, only Henry had more CARRIES than Cook, despite Cook missing a half season worth of games.

And that ties into the third issue - injuries. Theres something to be said for being able to stay on the field. Cook has missed multiple games every season of his career...except last season. I'd bed that, even with a reduced workload, Cook hits some injury issues throughout the 2023 season.

None of that is to say that Zeke is the better back. Hes probably more Cooked than Cook. But you can understand why Zeke - as a cheaper, more consistent option - makes some sense for the Pats.
 

RedOctober3829

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 19, 2005
55,508
deep inside Guido territory
Does anyone think Zeke is the better get than Dalvin? Just curious if there is an argument there?
DIfferent players for different roles as I was trying to explain to Gary Myers last night. Zeke has lost a step or two, but for the role the Patriots want him to play(short yardage, spell Rham for a drive or two, receiving threat although limited but who is also a great pass blocker) he is a really solid fit. For the Jets and Cook, he is not what he once was either hence why he's available but has more left in the tank than Zeke. If Breece Hall is not ready to be the feature back, Cook can fill that role.
 

rodderick

Member
SoSH Member
Apr 24, 2009
12,933
Belo Horizonte - Brazil
DIfferent players for different roles as I was trying to explain to Gary Myers last night. Zeke has lost a step or two, but for the role the Patriots want him to play(short yardage, spell Rham for a drive or two, receiving threat although limited but who is also a great pass blocker) he is a really solid fit. For the Jets and Cook, he is not what he once was either hence why he's available but has more left in the tank than Zeke. If Breece Hall is not ready to be the feature back, Cook can fill that role.
I think this is pretty fair. It's just different from what they've usually done because it seems they view Rhamondre as their feature back, something the haven't really had in a while. In that context, having a player that can spell him out and complement his skillset situationally could be more valuable than a guy coming in to reproduce what he already does well.
 

Shelterdog

Well-Known Member
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Feb 19, 2002
15,375
New York City
One factor that's hard to figure out--and that BB definitely cares about but who knows how you measure its effectiveness--is the personality/locker room fit. I don't know that much about either player but IIRC Cook said after his visit to the Jets that they could be a team of superstars, or something like that. Is that the attitude Bill wants for this team, someone who views himself as a superstar (and sometimes you do want that! I'm not saying everyone on a team has to be a 1956 navy football player). Is it ideal to have possibly your best player on offense be a 28 year old running back who wants a lot of touches in hopes of getting another big payday?
 

54thMA

Member
SoSH Member
Aug 15, 2012
10,169
Westwood MA
I have a lot of Bills fans friends and most of them say that game against KC hurts as bad as any of their losses outside maybe SB XXV.

You had a feeling that if Buffalo got out of KC with a win and were back hosting CIN in the AFCCG, they were going all the way that year. Maybe that’s not fair to CIN or LAR, but Josh Allen was playing utterly out of his mind at that point. It took a miracle 13 seconds and winning a coin toss to stop him.
They probably were going all the way that year; that loss is about as stunning of a loss as I've ever seen in sports.

Ok; aside from game 6 of the 1986 WS................:(.
 

johnmd20

mad dog
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Dec 30, 2003
62,088
New York City
They probably were going all the way that year; that loss is about as stunning of a loss as I've ever seen in sports.

Ok; aside from game 6 of the 1986 WS................:(.
I don't know about that.

Pats over Atlanta was more stunning.
Pats over Seattle was more stunning.
Pats over the Rams was more stunning.
Giants over the undefeated Pats was more stunning.
Cinncy over the Chiefs in 2021 was more stunning
Colts over the Chiefs a decade ago was more stunning.

The Chiefs needed 3 points and had all their time outs, with Mahomes, Tyreke, and Kelce and a FG kicker who can hit bombs. Once the Bills sent the kickoff into the end zone, nothing was stunning.
 

54thMA

Member
SoSH Member
Aug 15, 2012
10,169
Westwood MA
I don't know about that.

Pats over Atlanta was more stunning.
Pats over Seattle was more stunning.
Pats over the Rams was more stunning.
Giants over the undefeated Pats was more stunning.
Cinncy over the Chiefs in 2021 was more stunning
Colts over the Chiefs a decade ago was more stunning.

The Chiefs needed 3 points and had all their time outs, with Mahomes, Tyreke, and Kelce and a FG kicker who can hit bombs. Once the Bills sent the kickoff into the end zone, nothing was stunning.
They were 13 seconds away from hosting the AFCCG and in all probability going to the Super Bowl with a QB who was playing out of his mind.

Most of those other games you claim to be more stunning were more like slow motion car crashes vs a swift nut punch with 13 seconds left.

The Seattle game I'll give you; the rest, not so much.
 

cshea

Member
SoSH Member
Nov 15, 2006
36,254
306, row 14
In fairness that was his first fumble since 2020.

I didn't really love the Zeke usage yesterday. In total 12 touches for 43 yards and a fumble. Not good. I know there might've been some concerns with Stevenson being sick all week but I would've prefered more Montgomery to Zeke. Didn't love those quick screens they kept throwing to him. Doesn't seem like that's the best usage of Zeke's skills at this stage of his career.
 

TFisNEXT

Well-Known Member
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Jul 21, 2005
12,537
In fairness that was his first fumble since 2020.

I didn't really love the Zeke usage yesterday. In total 12 touches for 43 yards and a fumble. Not good. I know there might've been some concerns with Stevenson being sick all week but I would've prefered more Montgomery to Zeke. Didn't love those quick screens they kept throwing to him. Doesn't seem like that's the best usage of Zeke's skills at this stage of his career.
Agreed. Zeke ran well inside on a few touches yesterday and that’s where they need to give him the ball. Like on that quick handoff on 3rd and short where he was lead back and Stevenson was behind him…those are the types of runs he still excels at.

He doesn’t have the explosiveness outside that he used to so those screens out there aren’t very efficient.
 

rodderick

Member
SoSH Member
Apr 24, 2009
12,933
Belo Horizonte - Brazil
Agreed. Zeke ran well inside on a few touches yesterday and that’s where they need to give him the ball. Like on that quick handoff on 3rd and short where he was lead back and Stevenson was behind him…those are the types of runs he still excels at.

He doesn’t have the explosiveness outside that he used to so those screens out there aren’t very efficient.
Yeah, at this point Zeke has very good hands, but not much ability to do anything after he catches the ball.
 

Saints Rest

Well-Known Member
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
I felt like Zeke got a lot of PT in passing situations to be kept in the backfield of pick up blitzes or simple rushers coming free. I think he did a phenomenal job with this. The most consistent backfield blocking I've seen from a Patriot RB since Kevin Faulk.
 

wilked

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 17, 2005
4,066
Dalvin Cook (13 rushes/33 yards) didn't exactly cover himself in glory yesterday either...
 

Justthetippett

New Member
Aug 9, 2015
2,517
Dalvin Cook (13 rushes/33 yards) didn't exactly cover himself in glory yesterday either...
I hate to say it but the market and consensus is probably right about RBs. It's a 3-4 year window for most. Only the freaks will get that big second contract. And these vets with the track record and name recognition are just...not all that. They still bring value in spots, but it's limited.
 

TFisNEXT

Well-Known Member
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Jul 21, 2005
12,537
I hate to say it but the market and consensus is probably right about RBs. It's a 3-4 year window for most. Only the freaks will get that big second contract. And these vets with the track record and name recognition are just...not all that. They still bring value in spots, but it's limited.
I couldn’t even tell you the last RB that was legit upper tier in the league (say, top 5) for more than 4-5 seasons. Maybe LaDainian Tomlinson? Actually, maybe Adrian Peterson qualifies though he had some injury seasons mixed in. Derrick Henry might be similar…eps if he can maintain top tier status another season or two. He had that half-season a couple years ago from injury.

But yeah, there’s a reason the LTs, Emmitt Smiths, and Barry Sanders’ are super rare. Just a punishing position to play.