Yankees must win for Red Sox to get passion again!

Al Zarilla

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Not an underdog in 2007. Sox won 96 games and the AL East. Were heavy favorites against the Rockies. Along the way, were they underdogs against Cleveland? They had the same record but Boston had HFA in the ALCS. Cleveland came close but no cigar. In the ALDS, I'm sure Boston was the favorite vs. LAAoA. Don't have time to look but I think Boston was a slight favorite to beat St Louis in 2013.
 

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Not an underdog in 2007. Sox won 96 games and the AL East. Were heavy favorites against the Rockies. Along the way, were they underdogs against Cleveland? They had the same record but Boston had HFA in the ALCS. Cleveland came close but no cigar. In the ALDS, I'm sure Boston was the favorite vs. LAAoA. Don't have time to look but I think Boston was a slight favorite to beat St Louis in 2013.
They were indeed slight favorites over the Cards in 2013 (Bovada had them at 5/7). Both teams were 97-65 that season which was the best record in their respective leagues.
 

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It is important at this point in the season, with our passion withering and its very existence is at stake, it is important to remember the rallying call of the beginning of the season ... NO EXCUSES

View: https://twitter.com/yankees/status/1512211142164332545
But... what about the roof? I can actually understand why they were surprised that the fans would cheer.

Balanced lineups win championships. You need table-setters. You need mashers. You need guys who are aware of situational hitting. Teams in the playoffs will invariably meet a team with a good to great pitching staff.

NY has mashers. No matter how much they mash, they're going to run into a pitching staff that can neutralize them in the playoffs.
 

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It is important at this point in the season, with our passion withering and its very existence is at stake, it is important to remember the rallying call of the beginning of the season ... NO EXCUSES
Take my passion, please.
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Tension is so much more a part of sports today than it was 50 years ago, before cable TV took over. And yet, some teams find a way to cut through the pressure.

How come teams like the Phillies, Padres and Astros seem to be having fun this October while the Dodgers, Yankees and Mets looked tight and mostly underachieved? I envy the Phillies. They play in a region of high expectations but somehow this month they broke through the tension and elevated their game for the playoffs. How did that happen?

Personnel issues aside, I think the Yankees have a mental roadblock to solve throughout the organization. Pressure is part of the game and it affects all teams, but mostly it sits on the shoulders of the richest franchises — both NY teams, the Dodgers and the Red Sox. Maybe the simple answer is elite pitching rules in October. Or maybe this current group of Yankees (2017-22) can’t handle the pressure. How about the Dodgers? What’s the explanation for the first-round exit of a team that won 111 games in the regular season.

The Yankees have won one World Series since 2000. Off the top of my head, Dodgers also have just one. Boston has four, Giants three. Boston played the underdog card three times and won their fourth as a heavy favorite.

I think we all felt the tension of Red Sox-Yankees rivalry peaked in 2003-04. It was almost unbearable for fans. My hat is off to the teams that win it all. Go Phillies. Underdogs are more fun.
I'm not sure where the 2007 team was an "underdog". They led the division wire to wire, were favorites in every round of the playoffs, and got a complete lamb in the WS.
 

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Came here to share this but Sox Puppet beat me to it. Will share quotes instead.

With the Bronx Bombers down 3-0 to the Houston Astros in the ALCS, manager Aaron Boone said Sunday that the team circulated clips of the 2004 Boston Red Sox for motivation on how to best approach trying to come back....The idea stemmed from director of mental conditioning Chad Bohling.
"It was just the belief that they had," Boone said. "They had confidence, and you see [former Red Sox first baseman Kevin] Millar, 'Don't let us win one.' We still have time. We're obviously now as far up against it as you can be and not in a great spot."
So delicious.

Boone also received a little firsthand perspective from David Ortiz, who FaceTimed with ESPN broadcaster Eduardo Perez during the manager's meeting with broadcasters before Game 4.

"He had some advice," Boone said.

Boone declined to share the advice.
I like to imagine what the advice was.
 

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Guys, I’m kinda tired of rooting for the Sox now. What’s a good new team to get behind?
 

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Welcome to the off-season NY...and congrats to Vasqy and Schwarber..why can't we get guys like that?
 

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You know, much as I love the Red Sox, they only win championships about 20% of the time, at least if you're going by the last 20 years. But Yankee Elimination Day comes like 95% of the time. It is such a dependable source of joy.

The Yankees have lost the last five ALCS they have been in. Five!

And three in a row to Houston.
 

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You know, much as I love the Red Sox, they only win championships about 20% of the time, at least if you're going by the last 20 years. But Yankee Elimination Day comes like 95% of the time. It is such a dependable source of joy.

The Yankees have lost the last five ALCS they have been in. Five!

And three in a row to Houston.
As they say, I root for two teams, the Red Sox and I guess the Astros
 

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You know, much as I love the Red Sox, they only win championships about 20% of the time, at least if you're going by the last 20 years. But Yankee Elimination Day comes like 95% of the time. It is such a dependable source of joy.

The Yankees have lost the last five ALCS they have been in. Five!

And three in a row to Houston.
The bad thing is that they may fire Aaron Boone.
 

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So you want Judge to be homerless AND homeless?
They’ll sometimes let you bring food to Pine St residents — “Mr Judge! Visitor here. Brought you a pie it seems. Yep, a Swee’Potato Pie - it looks real good. Grab a fork and pull up a chair.”

Going to be fun watching the ACV on his next deal from somebody else. I’m kinda buying the SFG rumor after watching Aaron’s post game presser.
 

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So now….. all the posters here who claim they’d prefer the way the MFY’s and Dodgers have constructed themselves over the past several years…do you guys all still feel the same? I’m seriously asking, not trolling.
 

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I guess the bad news is that the 2004 Red Sox are apparently not that inspiring.

Happy Yankee Elimination Day everyone!
Or the Astros took that "Don't let us win tonight" thing seriously.

Happy YED!

Also fuck this thread. Its title is the stupidest thing I've ever seen posted here, and that encompasses a lot. But I promised myself I wouldn't post in it until the MFYs were eliminated. Now let's lock and sink this thread so I never have to look again at the moronic sentence that comprises its title. I FUCKING HATE THEM FOREVER! THEY CAN NEVER DIE TOO MANY TIMES FOR ME! THEY STOLE JOY AND HOPE FROM MY CHILDHOOD AND THE BLAZING IRE I BEAR THEM FOR THAT IS AN UNQUECHABLE FIRE! HAD I THE POWER, I WOULD WIPE THEM FROM EXISTENCE! LET THEIR ONCE PROUD PALACE FOREVER REMAIN A HOUSE OF DESPAIR AND DESOLATION!
 
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Man I slept so good last night. Today… today is gonna be a good day.
 

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The bad thing is that they may fire Aaron Boone.
I don't know man, if you'd told me nineteen years ago that the same Aaron Boone would someday be fired after 5 straight playoff exits, including two to the Sox, culminating in him forcing his team to watch inspirational video of the Sox all-time great comeback against the Yankees before getting swept anyway, I think I'd have been pretty content with that timeline.
 

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So now….. all the posters here who claim they’d prefer the way the MFY’s and Dodgers have constructed themselves over the past several years…do you guys all still feel the same? I’m seriously asking, not trolling.
Dodgers yes. I don’t care to praise the Yankees.

But always winning is the goal. the playoffs are a series of small sample sizes against the best teams. It’s tough to win.
 

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This thread title is ridiculous, to put it mildly--but, on the other hand, it has generated a lot of great responses. I've been alternately cracking up/feeling relief and satisfaction (or all at the same time) reading them. So I say, thank you to the person who created this thread (just probably don't do it again).
 

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So now….. all the posters here who claim they’d prefer the way the MFY’s and Dodgers have constructed themselves over the past several years…do you guys all still feel the same? I’m seriously asking, not trolling.
I think we all have preferences as to what we'd like to see in a Red Sox team and its construction. But what I think is often lacking is the acknowledgement that there's a million different ways to build a competitive team and that *none* of the "good" ones seem to increase the likelihood of post season success.
 

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Or the Astros took that "Don't let us win tonight" thing seriously.

Happy YED!

Also fuck this thread. Its title is the stupidest thing I've ever seen posted here, and that encompasses a lot. But I promised myself I wouldn't post in it until the MFYs were eliminated. Now let's lock and sink this thread so I never have to look again at the moronic sentence that comprises its title. I FUCKING HATE THEM FOREVER! THEY CAN NEVER DIE TOO MANY TIMES FOR ME! THEY STOLE JOY AND HOPE FROM MY CHILDHOOD AND THE BLAZING IRE I BEAR THEM FOR THAT IS AN UNQUECHABLE FIRE! HAD I THE POWER, I WOULD WIPE THEM FROM EXISTENCE! LET THEIR ONCE PROUD PALACE FOREVER REMAIN A HOUSE OF DESPAIR AND DESOLATION!
when was their palace proud?
 

Al Zarilla

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I don't know man, if you'd told me nineteen years ago that the same Aaron Boone would someday be fired after 5 straight playoff exits, including two to the Sox, culminating in him forcing his team to watch inspirational video of the Sox all-time great comeback against the Yankees before getting swept anyway, I think I'd have been pretty content with that timeline.
That was astounding, and, to boot, they got Big Papi on the phone? That was all rich, man, the richest!
 

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Christ, win or lose how can this not be considered a dramatic ball game? It was the lynchpin for the following two victories and featured a levelling-up GOAT pitching performance by Eovaldi.

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For my money, this loss to the Yankees was the best game I’ve ever seen:

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Commonly known as “The Jeter Dives into the Stands Game” (tho as I note below, historical accuracy requires that it be known as “The Pokey Catch Game”), this was the best regular season game during the rivalry in my memory. The Red Sox had lost both of the first two games in the series horribly. The first one I believe Derek Lowe got smoked by Tony Clark who hit a homer to dead center. I believe the second game had the ball literally go throw Ortiz’s glove at first base to plate the winning run.

This game, tho, was epic. Extra innings, multiple crazy defensive shifts, every pitch felt like the full weight of history was on the shoulders of both teams. I remember Gary Sheffield being brought in from right field to add a fifth person to the infield at third base to prevent the go-ahead run from scoring (it worked). And John Flaherty got the game winning hit after Manny put us up in the top of the 13th.

It’s best remembered now for Jeter’s catch in the stands which left him bloodied and woozy but Pokey had the same play to make, caught it and didn’t have to be helped off the field.

Incredible game that set the table for the classic Mueller walkoff game a few weeks later. Somewhat lost to time given what transpired in the playoffs. But as good as the rivalry ever got. And Pokey got his revenge in October.

Point is, I agree, incredible baseball reminds you these games, wins and losses alike, are just chapters to a longer story. And that story is still being written.
 

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Unfortunately, Tsar George wasn’t alive to rant about ‘spitting the bit’ and firing the entire baseball and admin staffs.
 

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The Yankees have a "Director of mental conditioning" on their staff?

I'm assuming they hired him the day after the 2004 ALCS ended; if so, he sucks at his job.

So does this mean the Red Sox aren't going to spend a shit ton of their dough this off season?
 

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So now….. all the posters here who claim they’d prefer the way the MFY’s and Dodgers have constructed themselves over the past several years…do you guys all still feel the same? I’m seriously asking, not trolling.
I don't really think I'm in the boat of those people, but let's be honest. Playing meaningful games every October should be the goal, right? And makes being a fan of a team more fun, right?

Sox fans didn't get that this year.
 

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It's sports psych, but by giving it names like this you can hire somebody with no psych training, maybe just because they are the same religion as the owner and eventually let them make draft picks.
He's been with the MFY for 12 years and has also been an advisor for the "champion" Dallas Cowboys for the last 10 years!! CHAD BOHLING - MJP (michaeljohnsonperformance.com) I hope he stays with the MFY for a loooooong time.
 

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For my money, this loss to the Yankees was the best game I’ve ever seen:

View attachment 56837
Commonly known as “The Jeter Dives into the Stands Game” (tho as I note below, historical accuracy requires that it be known as “The Pokey Catch Game”), this was the best regular season game during the rivalry in my memory. The Red Sox had lost both of the first two games in the series horribly. The first one I believe Derek Lowe got smoked by Tony Clark who hit a homer to dead center. I believe the second game had the ball literally go throw Ortiz’s glove at first base to plate the winning run.

This game, tho, was epic. Extra innings, multiple crazy defensive shifts, every pitch felt like the full weight of history was on the shoulders of both teams. I remember Gary Sheffield being brought in from right field to add a fifth person to the infield at third base to prevent the go-ahead run from scoring (it worked). And John Flaherty got the game winning hit after Manny put us up in the top of the 13th.

It’s best remembered now for Jeter’s catch in the stands which left him bloodied and woozy but Pokey had the same play to make, caught it and didn’t have to be helped off the field.

Incredible game that set the table for the classic Mueller walkoff game a few weeks later. Somewhat lost to time given what transpired in the playoffs. But as good as the rivalry ever got. And Pokey got his revenge in October.

Point is, I agree, incredible baseball reminds you these games, wins and losses alike, are just chapters to a longer story. And that story is still being written.
I got up early in Hong Kong to watch that game. I'll always remember it for Nomar sulking in the dugout. He was gone soon after.
 

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For my money, this loss to the Yankees was the best game I’ve ever seen:

View attachment 56837
Commonly known as “The Jeter Dives into the Stands Game” (tho as I note below, historical accuracy requires that it be known as “The Pokey Catch Game”), this was the best regular season game during the rivalry in my memory. The Red Sox had lost both of the first two games in the series horribly. The first one I believe Derek Lowe got smoked by Tony Clark who hit a homer to dead center. I believe the second game had the ball literally go throw Ortiz’s glove at first base to plate the winning run.

This game, tho, was epic. Extra innings, multiple crazy defensive shifts, every pitch felt like the full weight of history was on the shoulders of both teams. I remember Gary Sheffield being brought in from right field to add a fifth person to the infield at third base to prevent the go-ahead run from scoring (it worked). And John Flaherty got the game winning hit after Manny put us up in the top of the 13th.

It’s best remembered now for Jeter’s catch in the stands which left him bloodied and woozy but Pokey had the same play to make, caught it and didn’t have to be helped off the field.

Incredible game that set the table for the classic Mueller walkoff game a few weeks later. Somewhat lost to time given what transpired in the playoffs. But as good as the rivalry ever got. And Pokey got his revenge in October.

Point is, I agree, incredible baseball reminds you these games, wins and losses alike, are just chapters to a longer story. And that story is still being written.
Such a memorable game. I remember feeling just gutted when it was over, more than for maybe any other regular season game I can remember.

I walked a couple blocks down to my girlfriend's house after the game and I was in such a surly mood. I think that's when she first noticed that something was wrong about my Red Sox obsession.

Thank cod those emotions will probably never be so intense again. I'm fine with the passion being tempered with all the success. I still get fired up, but losses don't hurt like they used to.
 

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Such a memorable game. I remember feeling just gutted when it was over, more than for maybe any other regular season game I can remember.

I walked a couple blocks down to my girlfriend's house after the game and I was in such a surly mood. I think that's when she first noticed that something was wrong about my Red Sox obsession.

Thank cod those emotions will probably never be so intense again. I'm fine with the passion being tempered with all the success. I still get fired up, but losses don't hurt like they used to.
Yeah that loss almost felt like the nail in the coffin in some way that felt like the team was just going to spiral downward and made the Boone HR hurt even more. Like that would be the closest we’d get.