WTF Ever Happened to Rich Gedman (and the 1987 Boston Red Sox)

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EDIT: This was originally from the HOF thread. Moondog and I were talking a bit about the 87 Red Sox which ultimately turned into a spring board for what happened to Rich Gedman. I always thought that this was an interesting mystery, so I dragged it out of the HOF discussion and brought it here.

Anyone have any ideas?


Man, from the years that Evans, Boggs, Greenwell, Rice, and Clemens had, how on earth did the Sox only win 78 games and finish 5th out of 7 that year? Pythag 83-79. Yikes, talk about a stars-and-scrubs roster.
Because Roger Clemens couldn't pitch every day. Did you see the staff that year? It was a disgrace. Tom Bolton had the second-best ERA on the team at 4.38. Everyone else was over 4.40.

1987 Red Sox.

It was a very bad team. Though, much like 2015, the Kiddie Korps made the end of the year fun. Burks, Greenwell, Benzinger, Horn and Marzano. Five future Hall of Famers!
 
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Because Roger Clemens couldn't pitch every day. Did you see the staff that year? It was a disgrace. Tom Bolton had the second-best ERA on the team at 4.38. Everyone else was over 4.40.

1987 Red Sox.

It was a very bad team. Though, much like 2015, the Kiddie Korps made the end of the year fun. Burks, Greenwell, Benzinger, Horn and Marzano. Five future Hall of Famers!

The hitting was pretty good and could have been even better if not for the utter black hole at catcher of Gedman and Sullivan. The pitching sucked other than Clemens and Hurst, but how amazing is this: they used only 13 different pitchers all year. Don't they carry that many on the active roster at times these days?
 

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The hitting was pretty good and could have been even better if not for the utter black hole at catcher of Gedman and Sullivan. The pitching sucked other than Clemens and Hurst, but how amazing is this: they used only 13 different pitchers all year. Don't they carry that many on the active roster at times these days?
I was pretty shocked about the number of pitchers used that season as well. Seriously, 13? Hurst was mediocre that year and had a high ERA, I think it was 4.41 but that might have more to do with the tightly wound baseballs that MLB was using that year rather than how well he pitched.

IIRC Gedman couldn't come back to the team until May 1 due to the team missing the date it needed to sign him (early January?). It's bonkers to me that baseball had a rule like that on the books. The same thing happened to Tim Raines that year as well, but he had an enormous start to his season why Gedman looked completely and totally lost. And he continued to look lost for the rest of his career. I don't know what hurt Gedman more, the 1986 World Series or missing the entirety of 1987 Spring Training.
 

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I was pretty shocked about the number of pitchers used that season as well. Seriously, 13? Hurst was mediocre that year and had a high ERA, I think it was 4.41 but that might have more to do with the tightly wound baseballs that MLB was using that year rather than how well he pitched.

IIRC Gedman couldn't come back to the team until May 1 due to the team missing the date it needed to sign him (early January?). It's bonkers to me that baseball had a rule like that on the books. The same thing happened to Tim Raines that year as well, but he had an enormous start to his season why Gedman looked completely and totally lost. And he continued to look lost for the rest of his career. I don't know what hurt Gedman more, the 1986 World Series or missing the entirety of 1987 Spring Training.

Yep, that was the deal with Gedman. He had OPS+ of 102, 118, 126, and 100 from 1983-1986 and then completely fell off the table even though he was only 27 in 1987. Tough to know what happened, but think of the love he would have gotten if this board was around in 1985 when he was only 25 and hit 295/362/484 with a dWAR of +2.0.
 

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I was pretty shocked about the number of pitchers used that season as well. Seriously, 13? Hurst was mediocre that year and had a high ERA, I think it was 4.41 but that might have more to do with the tightly wound baseballs that MLB was using that year rather than how well he pitched.
Hurst wasn't terrible most of the year. He rode a hot May and June into being the team's only All Star pitcher despite having nearly identical numbers (well, ones that mattered in 1987) to Clemens at the break: 9-6, 3.81 ERA compared to 8-6, 3.66. He was horrible in September though (1-4, 8.33), which accounted for his mediocre final numbers.

As for Gedman, I always thought Hraniak messed him up. His timing was off after the forced hold-out, but he and Hraniak over-tinkered with it and never got it back. I remember my dad nicknamed him Helicopter Man because of the way his one-hand follow through (a Hraniak thing) wrapped up around his head like a helicopter rotor. The more one handed he got, the more power seemed to be sapped from his swing. His decline was incredibly Allen Craig like, only he didn't have the Lisfranc injury to blame it on.
 

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As for Gedman, I always thought Hraniak messed him up. His timing was off after the forced hold-out, but he and Hraniak over-tinkered with it and never got it back. I remember my dad nicknamed him Helicopter Man because of the way his one-hand follow through (a Hraniak thing) wrapped up around his head like a helicopter rotor. The more one handed he got, the more power seemed to be sapped from his swing. His decline was incredibly Allen Craig like, only he didn't have the Lisfranc injury to blame it on.
That was certainly the accepted wisdom at the time. Whenever this question was asked in the late 1980s/early 1990s, Hraniak was given as the answer. It would be interesting to know if Gedman thought that was true.
 

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Hurst wasn't terrible most of the year. He rode a hot May and June into being the team's only All Star pitcher despite having nearly identical numbers (well, ones that mattered in 1987) to Clemens at the break: 9-6, 3.81 ERA compared to 8-6, 3.66. He was horrible in September though (1-4, 8.33), which accounted for his mediocre final numbers.

As for Gedman, I always thought Hraniak messed him up. His timing was off after the forced hold-out, but he and Hraniak over-tinkered with it and never got it back. I remember my dad nicknamed him Helicopter Man because of the way his one-hand follow through (a Hraniak thing) wrapped up around his head like a helicopter rotor. The more one handed he got, the more power seemed to be sapped from his swing. His decline was incredibly Allen Craig like, only he didn't have the Lisfranc injury to blame it on.
Hurst had a serious groin pull in the Metro dome which sidelined him for a long time. He came back in Sept but didn't really start pitching as he had in the first Half until he got to the postseason.
 

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Has anyone ever asked him about what happened?
I blew the opportunity when I met him a few years ago, but it would have been awkward to say, "Hey man, why'd your career crater in '87?"

He's a pretty quiet and self-deprecating guy, so my guess is that when he started off slowly in '87 after the collusion-forced holdout he simply never got his timing back and just overthought things.
 

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One thing that jumps out about Gedman: at his peak, he had a sizable platoon split; starting in 1987, for the last full three years of his Sox career he actually had a reverse split. He got slightly better vs. LHP, and completely fell off the table vs. RHP. That could be coincidence (he was always platooned somewhat, so the yearly vs. LHP samples are small--though oddly, that's the relatively consistent side), but it might reflect swing-tinkering gone wrong. Maybe they were trying to make him better vs. LHP, and succeeded modestly but messed him up vs. RHP in the process.
 

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In 1987, I attended Rich Gedman's All American Baseball camp. It may have been during that period of April to May 1 when he couldn't play because I can't imagine he would be able to run the camp while on the active roster.

The few things I remember:

-Someone asked him about why Clemens sucked to start the year (I think he started 1-3 or something) and he basically told the kid (nicely) to chill the f out.
-Bruce Hurst dropped by one day, and told me to form an L with my arm when throwing.
-Clemens was there for a day, but just to sign autographs.
-Al Nipper had a booth next to him, and there were no lines, no waiting.
-Greenwell was there more than once. Probably rookie treatment.
 

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-Al Nipper had a booth next to him, and there were no lines, no waiting.
Just like SoSH.

As for Gedman, I always thought Hraniak messed him up. His timing was off after the forced hold-out, but he and Hraniak over-tinkered with it and never got it back. I remember my dad nicknamed him Helicopter Man because of the way his one-hand follow through (a Hraniak thing) wrapped up around his head like a helicopter rotor. The more one handed he got, the more power seemed to be sapped from his swing. His decline was incredibly Allen Craig like, only he didn't have the Lisfranc injury to blame it on.
I thought that Hraniak got the lion's share of the praise when it came to Gedman (as well as Evans and Boggs). At least that's the way I remembered it.
 

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I was pretty shocked about the number of pitchers used that season as well. Seriously, 13? Hurst was mediocre that year and had a high ERA, I think it was 4.41 but that might have more to do with the tightly wound baseballs that MLB was using that year rather than how well he pitched.

IIRC Gedman couldn't come back to the team until May 1 due to the team missing the date it needed to sign him (early January?). It's bonkers to me that baseball had a rule like that on the books. The same thing happened to Tim Raines that year as well, but he had an enormous start to his season why Gedman looked completely and totally lost. And he continued to look lost for the rest of his career. I don't know what hurt Gedman more, the 1986 World Series or missing the entirety of 1987 Spring Training.
The first game for Tim Raines in 1987 was in NYC against the Mets, a Saturday afternoon game that I attended. Enormous start is right: 4-for-5, including a triple and then a grand slam in the 10th, 3 runs scored, 4 RBIs, and a stolen base. First game back! The triple is what I remember best. Ex-RS Reid Nichols was one of the runners who scored on the GS.
 

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I thought that Hraniak got the lion's share of the praise when it came to Gedman (as well as Evans and Boggs). At least that's the way I remembered it.
The Hriniak method, along with Gedman's swing (which made it seem like his back foot was planted in concrete) probably made it hard for him to adapt as soon as he lost even a fraction of his bat speed.
 

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I believe I remember reading that the Sox were very close to signing Tim Raines as a free agent during the 86-87 offseason collusion mess. Google isn't turning anything up in support but I believe it was in the Lou Gorman biography. Just imagining peak Raines and Boggs at the top of that lineup and Dewey might have taken a run at Hack Wilson that year.

I had completely forgotten that Greenwell put up a 328/386/570 in 87 before his big MVP runner up season. Juiced ball or not that year, that guy had a cup of tea on the Cooperstown track for awhile.
 

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I had completely forgotten that Greenwell put up a 328/386/570 in 87 before his big MVP runner up season. Juiced ball or not that year, that guy had a cup of tea on the Cooperstown track for awhile.
He looked like he was set to continue the already almost 50 year run of Hall of Famers in Fenway's left field that year. Alas...
 
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I believe I remember reading that the Sox were very close to signing Tim Raines as a free agent during the 86-87 offseason collusion mess. Google isn't turning anything up in support but I believe it was in the Lou Gorman biography. Just imagining peak Raines and Boggs at the top of that lineup and Dewey might have taken a run at Hack Wilson that year.
Never heard that before. Maybe add that to Rollie Fingers/Joe Rudi in '76 and Sammy Sosa/Kevin Appier/John Wetteland in '95.
 

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If Greenwell were Dominican, you would have sworn his birth certificate was wrong. Peak seasons age 23 and 24, out of baseball by 33.

His career path isn't really that of a hacker. He just lost his early power during his peak. The 88 season is really the anomaly in terms of his on base skill.

ISO and ISOd by Age:
22: 241, 79 (Pawtucket)
23: 222, 58
24: 206, 91
25: 135, 62
26: 137, 70
27: 119, 50
28: 55, 74 (injury year)
29: 165, 64
30: 184, 79 (strike)
31: 162, 52 (strike again)
32: 146, 41
 

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I went to Walt H-R-I-N-I-A-K's batting camp when I was 12 years old, and was never the same either. I went from batting 3rd on my little league all-star team, to batting 8th on my Babe Ruth team. Coulda been a star. He was a nice guy though and Gedman came by one of the days.
 

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This article has what I think Gedman would say:

The fact many fans still associate Gedman with that ugly, fly-away swing obviously still grates on him. The man who set an American League record for put-outs in 1986, caught Clemens’ 20-strikeout game that same year, and became the 16th Red Sox player to hit for the cycle would rather be known as a solid big league catcher with a .252 career batting average.

The student of former Sox hitting coach Walt Hriniak said the swing was never a result of the Charley Lau hitting philosophy preached by Hriniak.

“I had a bad back and for awhile, I couldn’t take five swings without pain,” Gedman explained. “The only way I could take 10 swings in the cage was to take my top hand off and sometimes it would get ugly, but I was doing what I had to do to survive.”

His back improved, but in 1987, Gedman tore a ligament off a bone in his hand and had to have it surgically reattached.

“For two years, I couldn’t hold [the bat] with the top hand. If I got beat back, it would tear my thumb off, or that’s what it felt like,” he said. “So rather than have it feel like there was a knife getting stuck in there, I’d take my hand off early and let it go.”
I have to admit that I still remember a few of Gedman ugly swings and just shaking my head wondering how anyone could think he could hit a ball like that.
 

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There is also one of those "only in Boston would they think of this" stories about Gedman's decline.

Gedman made the All-Star team as a reserve in 1986, and came on to catch the 8th inning with the AL leading 3-0. Pitching for the AL was knuckleballer Charlie Hough. After allowing a leadoff double, Hough struck out the next hitter (Chili Davis), but Gedman could not hold on to strike three and the runner advanced to third while the batter was retired. (It was scored a wild pitch). Hough then struck out the next hitter (Herb Brooks), but Gedman again could not hold on to strike three, Brooks reached base as the runner scored. This time, ruled a passed ball. After the runner advanced on a balk, Hough picked up his third K of the inning (Time Raines), with Gedman able to hang on to this one for the second out. Next batter, Steve Sax, singles home the second run of the inning and Righetti comes on for Hough.

AL goes on to win, 3-2, Gedman does better catching the normal pitchers, but after his disastrous attempt to cacth Charlie Hough his career was never the same again. He hit only .244 in the second half of 1986 and from 1987 on he hit only .206.

Of course, the numbers don't quite back this up. While he hit only .244 in the second half of 1986, he actually hit 11 of his 16 HR in the second half and had a better OPS (.767 vs .717). And though he sucked in the World Series, he hit very well in the ALCS (.357/.379/.500).

I'm going to rule out the curse of Charlie Hough as the source of Rich Gedman's ruined career. But I do remember it being talked about from time to time in the late 80s.
 

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One of my memories of the 1987 season was the Red Sox playing an exhibition game against the New York Mets that May. Several teams would play an exhibition against an opponent from the other league as part of a fund raiser during one of the off days during the days before interleague play. I believe that may have been the 2nd or 3rd time for the Sox and Mets. Anyway, it was down in Shea, and, of course, Bill Buckner got a standing ovation.

That season was a disaster from the start. You had the Gedman contract fiasco, which tied into the entire collusion crap that never should have happened. Clemens held out and missed most of spring training, and didn't start until the team's 5th game, a game that was essentially Clemens warm up. The Sox lost 11-1 to the Jimmy Key and the Blue Jays.

The season was marked by the age related decline of many of the team's key veterans from the prior season: Jim Rice (100 point drop in OPS), Don Baylor (half as many HR's during a year that Boggs hit 24), and Bill Buckner. Dave Henderson was limited to 75 games before being traded at the waiver deadline. Gedman was awful, but his numbers looked Piazza-like when compared to Marc "Thanks Dad" Sullivan and Danny Sheaffer. The team slumped at the plate during April and May, by which time they were already 9 games back and essentially out of the playoff picture. However, thanks to the contributions of the young studs later in the season, the Sox ended the season as one of the top hitting teams in the AL, despite being 9th in home runs. I loved that picture of Greenwell, Benzinger, Horn, Burks, Marzano, and Reed on the 1988 schedule.

The pitching was another story. Oil Can Boyd, a decent mid-rotation starter, suffered the first of his career ending arm injuries and appeared in only 7 games. Al Nipper was never the same after being spiked in the leg early the prior season. Tom Seaver had retired after hurting his knee the prior September. Bob Stanley would be the team's starter on Opening Day. And the bullpen was a total dumpster fire. Stanley had actually been decent in 1986 as a "utility reliever", but he was starting (and performing miserably). Schiraldi started to succumb to the wildness that would affect him the rest of his career, and for obvious reasons had lost the trust of the fans in Fenway. By the end of the season, Wes "The First Way Back" Gardner would assume the closer role with predictable consequences. The one pitcher besides Hurst that had won a game in the '86 World Series, Steve Crawford, put up a 0.910 OPS against. Joe Sambito, who had 12 saves early in the 1986 season, was at the end of the line at age 35. As noted above, even Bruce Hurst regressed a bit.

Gedman: I still remember that swing. I also remember when he got into some controversy with the fans when he backed Roger Clemens, who was complaining about carrying his own luggage. The media jumped on his quotes (I can't recall exactly) and the fans crucified him. Didn't really deserve it, in retrospect.
 

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I believe I remember reading that the Sox were very close to signing Tim Raines as a free agent during the 86-87 offseason collusion mess. Google isn't turning anything up in support but I believe it was in the Lou Gorman biography. Just imagining peak Raines and Boggs at the top of that lineup and Dewey might have taken a run at Hack Wilson that year.
I am local to Raines' hometown. According to a person very close to Raines with whom I spoke at the time, he never seriously considered Boston due to lingering racial perceptions of the team.

Any mention of Raines as a Red Sox FA signing was likely press speculation based on how well his skill set met Red Sox needs.
 

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I believe I remember reading that the Sox were very close to signing Tim Raines as a free agent during the 86-87 offseason collusion mess. Google isn't turning anything up in support but I believe it was in the Lou Gorman biography. Just imagining peak Raines and Boggs at the top of that lineup and Dewey might have taken a run at Hack Wilson that year.
I read the Lou Gorman biography, and while I don't recall Tim Raines, I do recall Gorman writing something like "We had a great third base prospect named Scott Cooper, but unfortunately we already had future Hall of Famer Wade Boggs playing that position."
 

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Gedman: I still remember that swing. I also remember when he got into some controversy with the fans when he backed Roger Clemens, who was complaining about carrying his own luggage. The media jumped on his quotes (I can't recall exactly) and the fans crucified him. Didn't really deserve it, in retrospect.
The luggage quote is about being away from home, not the physical effort of carrying bags. But everyone harped on it as the latter. The evidence that reinforces this contextual interpretation is that Clemens has consistently had family clauses in his contract since leaving Boston. For instance when he was signed by Houston (his home), his deal was that he wouldn't have to travel with the team any time he wasn't going to pitch on the road trip.

You can think he is a jackass for putting his selfish needs (or that of his family) before the team that is paying him, but it was never really about the effort of carrying bags, though of course, it wouldn't surprise me if Roger (or most baseball players) wouldn't prefer a valet do those things for them.
 

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The luggage quote is about being away from home, not the physical effort of carrying bags. But everyone harped on it as the latter. The evidence that reinforces this contextual interpretation is that Clemens has consistently had family clauses in his contract since leaving Boston.
Wait. What? Are you saying that when Clemens said, "it's not easy carrying your luggage around." he was speaking metaphorically? Roger Clemens? No. He was pretty literal that he didn't want to carry his luggage through Logan Airport and how other teams had people doing the same things for other players. The latter of which is probably true, but the whole interview made him sound like a spoiled baby.

I was a teen at the time and I saw that interview live, Roger Clemens was not talking about his family. Like at all. I was a gigantic Clemens fan at the time, but even I knew that wasn't a smart thing to say.

I don't know about the validity of this blog, but it seems to be in agreement of my recollection.

Roger Clemens using a metaphor, now I've heard everything. If you ask Roger Clemens what a metaphor is, he'd probably answer, Lenny Dykstra.
 

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I think Bruce Hurst had mono in 1987. I had mono in college and it really knocked me out, so I can only imagine what it did to an MLB pitcher.
 

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Regarding Gedman's swing, I recall that either in '87 or '88 there was a dust-up because a player on another team (I want to say the Orioles but my recollection is clearly fuzzy) was mocking it by imitating it during batting practice one day. Was a minor thing in the late 80s that probably would have gotten 48 hours of wall-to-wall coverage in today's media environment.

As a 14 year old, 1987 was the year I realized that just because a team was great one year didn't mean that they'd be good the next. I took solace in the soul crushing disappointment of '86 by thinking that we'd just get 'em next year, because the Sox were awesome now. Little did I know.
 

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The pitching was another story. Oil Can Boyd, a decent mid-rotation starter, suffered the first of his career ending arm injuries and appeared in only 7 games. Al Nipper was never the same after being spiked in the leg early the prior season. Tom Seaver had retired after hurting his knee the prior September. Bob Stanley would be the team's starter on Opening Day. And the bullpen was a total dumpster fire. Stanley had actually been decent in 1986 as a "utility reliever", but he was starting (and performing miserably). Schiraldi started to succumb to the wildness that would affect him the rest of his career, and for obvious reasons had lost the trust of the fans in Fenway. By the end of the season, Wes "The First Way Back" Gardner would assume the closer role with predictable consequences. The one pitcher besides Hurst that had won a game in the '86 World Series, Steve Crawford, put up a 0.910 OPS against. Joe Sambito, who had 12 saves early in the 1986 season, was at the end of the line at age 35. As noted above, even Bruce Hurst regressed a bit.
The Sox had 47 complete games in 1987. FOURTY SEVEN. My God has the game changed.
 

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Gorman gets slagged around here and he certainly deserves grief for the Bagwell trade, but the Gedman contract/Clemens holdout in Spring 1987 weren't entirely his fault. In 1987 the Sox had a bizarre organizational structure, and Gorman (as GM) had to clear every major decision with both John Harrington and Haywood Sullivan. Harrington and Sullivan often disagreed. Sullivan was the CEO, but Harrington had the ailing Jean Yawkey's ear, and when they could not get along, the old lady had to step in and settle the dispute.

So when Gorman was negotiating the Gedman contract, he had very little authority--Gedman wanted three years, and Sullivan refused to negotiate as long as three years was on the table (remember, Sullivan had cheaped out on the Fisk negotiations in 1980). And even if Gorman could get Sullivan to consider three years, he needed both Sullivan and Harrington to agree. and those two didn't trust each other. The negotiations drug on and on, and meanwhile Clemens needed a new contract as well.

So Gorman, at an impasse on Gedman, focused on Clemens, but again he had to get both Sullivan and Harrington to agree internally, then get Clemens to sign. The time it took to herd the cats and get Clemens signed meant they basically gave up on Gedman until it was too late.

Sullivan really should have been fired after the Fisk thing, but he was kicked upstairs from GM to CEO because he had an ownership stake.
 

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The Sox were playing so poorly and Gedman had a rare hot streak in the 88 ALCS I remember hoping they could guys on base for him. I hoped he would turn it around after his good ALCS that year.

The best answer I heard was from Tommy Hutton the Jays announcer in around 89 or 90. Gedman was up hitting around .180. The color guy noticed Gedman hit monster shots in BP and Hutton said Gedman never had a great swing but was a smart hitter with incredible bat speed. Hutton said it was clear he had lost a lot of bat speed and no amount of tinkering was gong to get it back. He summed by saying Gedman was no longer major league hitter, and I remember this clearly, "Will never be again." He also said when a guy has drop off like that his team mates almost stop talking to him as if they are scared of catching slow bat disease.
 

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Not to highjack....although this is certainly a highjack....

Since we're talking about Gedman....what's Walt Hriniak up to these days?
Well, earlier this year he was quoted expressing admiration for Alex Rodriguez:

Hitting guru Walt Hriniak, who worked with Yastrzemski and Fisk, said, "What A-Rod is doing is phenomenal, particularly if he's clean. I'm sure he is. When this all started, I wasn't an A-Rod fan, but I have all the respect in the world for him, what he's going through and the abuse that he took from everybody."
http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/alex-rodriguez-having-a-fantastic-season-at-40-1.10698783

Also, Geddy still consults with him: http://m.telegram.com/article/20150123/NEWS/301239538
 

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Yes, I did. He hit a ball off the instep of his right foot and broke a bone in that foot not very long after he was able to return to the team May 1st 1987. I remember he was still on crutches and not traveling with the team when they made their 1st West Coast trip that year. Then on July 27th he caught a defensive throw at home plate and the runner's foot hit the mitt and tore a ligament in his thumb. He was out for the rest of the season. When I talked to him at spring training the next year he told me the injury was still bothering him (told on the QT at the time), and he was doing daily therapy to ease the pain and stiffness in his left hand. Not good at all for a hitter, or for a catcher.

He told me he had no major-league-level batting practice or catcher drills while he was cooling his heels waiting for the May 1st deadline to pass, so his play at the major league level was subpar, and never improved in the short length of time he played that year. Then along came Rick Cerone in 1988, and in 1990, Tony Pena.

Most people can justifiably blame the Red Sox for abusing Gedman and the other 1986 free agents they shortchanged. A player with Gedman's marginal physical abilities would sink fast with that kind of treatment. I always thought it was pretty interesting to see the Red Sox in subsequent years gave their defensive catchers a much longer leash for producing offensively than they did for Gedman during his Red Sox career.
 

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Yes, I did. He hit a ball off the instep of his right foot and broke a bone in that foot not very long after he was able to return to the team May 1st 1987. I remember he was still on crutches and not traveling with the team when they made their 1st West Coast trip that year. Then on July 27th he caught a defensive throw at home plate and the runner's foot hit the mitt and tore a ligament in his thumb. He was out for the rest of the season. When I talked to him at spring training the next year he told me the injury was still bothering him (told on the QT at the time), and he was doing daily therapy to ease the pain and stiffness in his left hand. Not good at all for a hitter, or for a catcher.

He told me he had no major-league-level batting practice or catcher drills while he was cooling his heels waiting for the May 1st deadline to pass, so his play at the major league level was subpar, and never improved in the short length of time he played that year. Then along came Rick Cerone in 1988, and in 1990, Tony Pena.

Most people can justifiably blame the Red Sox for abusing Gedman and the other 1986 free agents they shortchanged. A player with Gedman's marginal physical abilities would sink fast with that kind of treatment. I always thought it was pretty interesting to see the Red Sox in subsequent years gave their defensive catchers a much longer leash for producing offensively than they did for Gedman during his Red Sox career.
BTW, I used to be a SOSH member many years ago when the forum was in a much different format. I have no idea what my username was then.
 

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Good to read about the 87 team as they were my introduction to baseball. I went to 20 odd games that summer whilst in Boston on the Work America student programme. Did not understand much about the game but was won over by the fun in the crowd(bleachers) and the one on one contest between pitcher and batter particularly under the lights. From seeing Sam Horn hitting a grand slam to 29 years later following the Red Sox on this board - all inspired by a team who to most are probably forgotten.
 

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I had a chance to meet Gedman about a decade ago at a Marlboro convenience store. He was apparently a regular there. Definitely agree with SJH's characterization of him as a quiet guy - you'd never guess that he's a former big league ballplayer.
 

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My broader question is whatever happened to the Charlie Lau/Walt Hriniak style of hitting that was all the rage in the 80's? Did it simply fall out of favor? Did pitchers somehow adjust rendering it ineffective? Did lefties decide they wanted to keep their top hand on the bat all the way thru the follow thru (don't tell Big Papi)?
 

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I recall around 88 or maybe 89 the Sox were playing the Jays and Tony Kubek was doing color. He spent an entire inning talking about Gedman. The PBP guy was baffled saying Gedman was hitting the ball out of sight in BP. Kubek said hitting was very difficult and his opinion was Gedman was a very smart hitter and very strong, but was not exceptionally talented. He had been very good at working the count and ripping on "his pitch". He said injuries had "crippled" him, and left him unable to swing the bat the same way.

But, he was a good catcher and guys liked pitching to him. As a result he never really got healthy since the Sox sent him out there.to catch. Kubek was uncharacteristically brutal saying "It is over for this guy, sad but true." He thought even with his 1986 swing he has lost so much physical batspeed he was no longer a MLB hitter. Kubek named dropped a few famous guys (as was his go to move) that just fell off the map from injury or age. But he said a guy like Gedman that had made himself a good hitter did not have enough talent to be successful once he had injuries, especially to his hands. Kubek said his own career was similar, he had been a glove 1st guy, battling to hit, and once he lost a bit off his bat it was night and day, he just couldn't hit anymore.